Has anyone noticed how increadibly lame and pathetic movies are these days?
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Yup. Haven't seen one in a theater in a while. Mostly I just get them from Netflix after they hit the vid shelf. There are reasons why the movie business is into recycling; 1. Movie execs aren't fired if they lose on an idea that was good before but failed now. They do however get fired for taking risks and being wrong. 2. A lot of times the movie company owns a copyright, and would rather remake something from their library than pay someone anything for it. 3. The big execs insist on short movie pitches from the little execs- "It's sort of like 'when harry met sally' but with robots". "It's kind of like 'Gone with the Wind' but with robots." and "It's kind of like Terminator, but with cute robots." 4. Writers who work in hollywood are treated like a commodity. And it is all about story. Acting is actually quite good in a lot of the questionable films.
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Add to this list that the quality of the movie isn't necessarily reflected in box-office sales... The quality of the HYPE is!!
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The quality of all modern movie productions is incredibly low. I don't understand what the issue is. Are people collectively loosing IQ points or is it some attempt to dumb down the public through the media? At this rate, in 20 years, movies will just be random flashes and nonsense.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The quality of all modern movie productions is incredibly low.
Movie 'production' I think is actually incredibly good. The quality of the story lines in the movies - well that's another thing. Most mainstream movies today follow certain patterns: RomCom (Boy meets girl, boy and girl get along great, boy does something stupid, boy loses girl, boy wins girl back, the end) etc. I've seen some far superior French, Spanish even English films, that weren't released in cinema - probably because they didn't have the 'mass' appeal as the big execs demand.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
movies will just be random flashes and nonsense
In that respect, for most of the dross that comes out of Hollywood, I'd tend to agree with you. In fact they probably already are.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The quality of all modern movie productions is incredibly low.
Movie 'production' I think is actually incredibly good. The quality of the story lines in the movies - well that's another thing. Most mainstream movies today follow certain patterns: RomCom (Boy meets girl, boy and girl get along great, boy does something stupid, boy loses girl, boy wins girl back, the end) etc. I've seen some far superior French, Spanish even English films, that weren't released in cinema - probably because they didn't have the 'mass' appeal as the big execs demand.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
movies will just be random flashes and nonsense
In that respect, for most of the dross that comes out of Hollywood, I'd tend to agree with you. In fact they probably already are.
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1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
The quality of the story lines in the movies - well that's another thing. Most mainstream movies today follow certain patterns: RomCom (Boy meets girl, boy and girl get along great, boy does something stupid, boy loses girl, boy wins girl back, the end) etc.
I saw Hitchock's "Rebecca" recently and it's basically the same story :-) It's like a painting: details make a masterpiece (example: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunflowers_%28series_of_paintings%29[^])
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Yup. Haven't seen one in a theater in a while. Mostly I just get them from Netflix after they hit the vid shelf. There are reasons why the movie business is into recycling; 1. Movie execs aren't fired if they lose on an idea that was good before but failed now. They do however get fired for taking risks and being wrong. 2. A lot of times the movie company owns a copyright, and would rather remake something from their library than pay someone anything for it. 3. The big execs insist on short movie pitches from the little execs- "It's sort of like 'when harry met sally' but with robots". "It's kind of like 'Gone with the Wind' but with robots." and "It's kind of like Terminator, but with cute robots." 4. Writers who work in hollywood are treated like a commodity. And it is all about story. Acting is actually quite good in a lot of the questionable films.
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smcnulty2000 wrote:
Writers who work in hollywood are treated like a commodity.
Writers in Hollywood are generally useless. Fine, so you've got constraints like "Must have: 43 deaths and 12 explosions/reel", but that doesn't stop you writing good dialogue, or making sure that what happens makes sense.
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The quality of all modern movie productions is incredibly low. I don't understand what the issue is. Are people collectively loosing IQ points or is it some attempt to dumb down the public through the media? At this rate, in 20 years, movies will just be random flashes and nonsense.
I've just seen a beautiful italian one. Two, actually.
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The quality of all modern movie productions is incredibly low. I don't understand what the issue is. Are people collectively loosing IQ points or is it some attempt to dumb down the public through the media? At this rate, in 20 years, movies will just be random flashes and nonsense.
If you mean from the big studios, then yes, that's why I generally don't bother to go see them. "Sherlock Holmes"? Do me a favour. One single mention of a martial art and they turn him into something he most definitely was not.
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The quality of all modern movie productions is incredibly low. I don't understand what the issue is. Are people collectively loosing IQ points or is it some attempt to dumb down the public through the media? At this rate, in 20 years, movies will just be random flashes and nonsense.
It could also mean that the public is dumb enough to watch pay for the bad movies. Or too dumb to discern between good and bad movies. It's hard to say without statistics...
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The quality of all modern movie productions is incredibly low. I don't understand what the issue is. Are people collectively loosing IQ points or is it some attempt to dumb down the public through the media? At this rate, in 20 years, movies will just be random flashes and nonsense.
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The quality of all modern movie productions is incredibly low. I don't understand what the issue is. Are people collectively loosing IQ points or is it some attempt to dumb down the public through the media? At this rate, in 20 years, movies will just be random flashes and nonsense.
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It could also mean that the public is dumb enough to watch pay for the bad movies. Or too dumb to discern between good and bad movies. It's hard to say without statistics...
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I think you've hit the nail on the head there... much like the TV that is watched, the newspapers/magazines that are read - at the end of the day the companies producing this media have to sell it to someone. But I wouldn't say that this is a modern thing - there are plenty of rubbish movies from the past, but they will have been forgotten about, and there are some classics being produced at the moment. This year I watched, "The boy with the striped pyjamas."[^] I reckon that will still be considered a good movie in 50 or 100 years time...
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The quality of all modern movie productions is incredibly low. I don't understand what the issue is. Are people collectively loosing IQ points or is it some attempt to dumb down the public through the media? At this rate, in 20 years, movies will just be random flashes and nonsense.
Eventually, (I really really hope) they will run out of lame comic books to turn into lame movies. Eventually, Uwe Boll will die and someone will get a chance to make a good game-based movie. Eventually, someone will notice that the really great movies are NOT remakes of an existing movie released < 20 years ago. Some believe they only release movies if there are millions to be made in merchandising. There are some that slip through the nets thankfully. I look at Original movies like E.T., Star Wars, Finding Nemo as examples of 1) original, 2) great story, 3) sold heaping buckets of tickets. Last night I watched Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs. It was a funny story, original, well worth the money. Geeky romance, father-son tension, greedy mayor, comedy, happy ending.
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smcnulty2000 wrote:
Writers who work in hollywood are treated like a commodity.
Writers in Hollywood are generally useless. Fine, so you've got constraints like "Must have: 43 deaths and 12 explosions/reel", but that doesn't stop you writing good dialogue, or making sure that what happens makes sense.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
smcnulty2000 wrote: Writers who work in hollywood are treated like a commodity.
Mark Wallace wrote:
Fine, so you've got constraints like "Must have: 43 deaths and 12 explosions/reel", but that doesn't stop you writing good dialogue, or making sure that what happens makes sense.
It means that being a good writer isn't a survival trait in the hollywood system. Which means good stuff comes in by accident, not because anyone is trying. I knew a guy who tried to get his screenplays read by moguls. He was informed in no uncertain terms that he could have that if he were willing to sleep with the fellow explaining the rules. He declined and went off to do something else with his life. edit: my point isn't that my friend had a better screenplay. My point is actually that we'll never know since it won't see the light of day.
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modified on Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:23 PM
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Mark Wallace wrote:
smcnulty2000 wrote: Writers who work in hollywood are treated like a commodity.
Mark Wallace wrote:
Fine, so you've got constraints like "Must have: 43 deaths and 12 explosions/reel", but that doesn't stop you writing good dialogue, or making sure that what happens makes sense.
It means that being a good writer isn't a survival trait in the hollywood system. Which means good stuff comes in by accident, not because anyone is trying. I knew a guy who tried to get his screenplays read by moguls. He was informed in no uncertain terms that he could have that if he were willing to sleep with the fellow explaining the rules. He declined and went off to do something else with his life. edit: my point isn't that my friend had a better screenplay. My point is actually that we'll never know since it won't see the light of day.
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modified on Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:23 PM
smcnulty2000 wrote:
It means that being a good writer isn't a survival trait in the hollywood system. Which means good stuff comes in by accident, not because anyone is trying.
Nailed it.
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