Having Cleared Up The Apostrophe...
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As in Got any veras - sorted?
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
As an American, I totally, like, agree, man!
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
Seeing as you're in the mood, how about sorting out the use of there and their? Brady was today's offender.
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Proved is poast participle, proven is present imperfect (I think). Thus... The case has not been Proved. The case is not Proven. Actually I need to think about this one.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
Dalek Dave wrote:
The case has not been Proved. The case is not Proven.
actually, it's the exact opposite. The case has not been proven. The case is not proved.
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Zee? ZEE? Don't get me started on Zee! At least Canadians know it is a Zed!
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
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As in Brit: "There is a problem with this machine. We need it sorted." Me: "No, you don't need it sorted. You need it adjusted, repaired or replaced. Sorting it would merely arrange it in a specific order in relation to other machines."
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As in Brit: "There is a problem with this machine. We need it sorted." Me: "No, you don't need it sorted. You need it adjusted, repaired or replaced. Sorting it would merely arrange it in a specific order in relation to other machines."
How about this... American walks into a bar in London. He says to the barman,"Hi Bud, can I get a large Scotch on the rocks?" The barman replies, "No, but I will get you one and you can pay for it!" Isn't idiom wonderful?
------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noise. " Steve Harris 2009
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
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As in Brit: "There is a problem with this machine. We need it sorted." Me: "No, you don't need it sorted. You need it adjusted, repaired or replaced. Sorting it would merely arrange it in a specific order in relation to other machines."
That seems a perfectly normal use to me. I guess if the machine was out of sorts before it was adjusted then it would be sorted after the adjustments had been made.
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Remember that the Early Brits what went to the New World were Carrot Crunching Plymouth Brethren who lived in the Cider Forests of the South West and they can barely speak English to this day! (I sense someone is going to reply to this!!!) :)
------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noise. " Steve Harris 2009
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
So ultimately... the Brits are to blame.
Whaddya mean, the Brits are to blame? It's our language so we say what the rules are! Sorted!
The Clue is in the Name!
------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noise. " Steve Harris 2009
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As in Brit: "There is a problem with this machine. We need it sorted." Me: "No, you don't need it sorted. You need it adjusted, repaired or replaced. Sorting it would merely arrange it in a specific order in relation to other machines."
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Proved is poast participle, proven is present imperfect (I think). Thus... The case has not been Proved. The case is not Proven. Actually I need to think about this one.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
I believe that the only appropriate use of the word proven is in Scottish law where a case may be found not proven. As you say proved is the poast[sic] participle
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Seeing as you're in the mood, how about sorting out the use of there and their? Brady was today's offender.
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Proved is poast participle, proven is present imperfect (I think). Thus... The case has not been Proved. The case is not Proven. Actually I need to think about this one.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
I believe that the only appropriate use of the word proven is in Scottish law where a case may be found not proven. As you say, proved is the poast[sic] participle
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The American Listing Comma. Commas are used to seperate clauses and to itemise listed items in a sentence. Commas are never to be used directly before a conjunction unless the conjunction is used as an indicative clause. Between the penultimate and ultimate items in a list the correct form to be used is the 'And'. Examples 1) I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place. 2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful. 2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause. 3) In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3. American Media Comma: In American media it is oft seen that a comma seperates a two item list. Example "Obama asks for Money, Time, for Military" WRONG!!!! "Obama asks for Money and Time for military" The American Media Comma is an Evil, Ugly and Awkward thing and should be stamped out! It is up there with the Grocers Apostrophe and the European Dashed 7! Thankyou for your time.
------------------------------------ "Men may make bad decisions, immoral decisions or just plain wrong decisions, but at least they make decisions. Women on the other hand..." Patrick Kielty 2006
Dalek Dave wrote:
- I would often use a comma here, especially when writing to Americans, as this is the correct place.
That's a parenthetic use.
Dalek Dave wrote:
2a) It is wrong to use a comma here, and here, because it looks awful.
The first comma is in error, the second comma is correct, because it separates a dependent clause.
Dalek Dave wrote:
2b) It is correct to use a comma here, and this can be proved, because it is an indicative clause.
I'm afraid that whether a clause is indicative, interrogative, or negative has no bearing on comma use. I'm tempted to google your quote about conjunctions and indicative clauses, but I know I will only get annoyed at what I find.
Dalek Dave wrote:
- In listing I would have Item 1, Item 2 and Item 3.
That would be incorrect, as a comma is also required before the 'and', or "item 2 and item 3" can be taken as a single item (e.g. "steak and onion, fish and chips, and bread and butter"), which makes your sentence read as "nicely" as your "American-media comma" (note the hyphenation) example. Anyway, never mind American-media commas; what do you intend to do about the God-awful American double subjunctive?
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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How about this... American walks into a bar in London. He says to the barman,"Hi Bud, can I get a large Scotch on the rocks?" The barman replies, "No, but I will get you one and you can pay for it!" Isn't idiom wonderful?
------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noise. " Steve Harris 2009
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Sort - To put in order. Order - This ship is in working order. These documents are in order. Is the ship in working order? Yep, it's sorted :P
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Remember that the Early Brits what went to the New World were Carrot Crunching Plymouth Brethren who lived in the Cider Forests of the South West and they can barely speak English to this day! (I sense someone is going to reply to this!!!) :)
------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noise. " Steve Harris 2009