Have the UK police got nothing else to do at all?
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No proof? You insane claim that the Daily Mail is fictional fairytales has been publicly marked as false.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No proof? You insane claim that the Daily Mail is fictional fairytales has been publicly marked as false.
The regulation that the Daily Mail (and then other tabloids) picked up on was related to regulation (EEC) No 1677/8 laid out to specify quality standards for cucumbers. At no stage do these regulations talk about a cucumber having to be straight - they do state that class 1 cucumbers must have an arc of no more than 10 mm for every 10 cm of cucumber; and if they don't the arc must be no more than 20 mm for 10cm to be a class 2 cucumber. Perhaps you'd care to read the actual regulations yourself[^].
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
the Daily Mail has been known to get the news wrong just for the sake of a cheap sensationalist headline.
Where is your proof of this outlandish claim? The Daily Mail is a good news source, reporting on important things for the regular people, rather than the heads of power.
You've never left Ohio, you're scared to even leave the house, but you know what constitutes a good news source in the UK ? I assume a 'good news source' is whatever panders to your world view and bias ?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
No proof? You insane claim that the Daily Mail is fictional fairytales has been publicly marked as false.
The regulation that the Daily Mail (and then other tabloids) picked up on was related to regulation (EEC) No 1677/8 laid out to specify quality standards for cucumbers. At no stage do these regulations talk about a cucumber having to be straight - they do state that class 1 cucumbers must have an arc of no more than 10 mm for every 10 cm of cucumber; and if they don't the arc must be no more than 20 mm for 10cm to be a class 2 cucumber. Perhaps you'd care to read the actual regulations yourself[^].
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
I can't believe I've written an entire post concerning cucumber regulations. Has the lounge really come to this?
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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I was thinking more along the lines of innocent people being prosecuted for having the flu or failing to take injections or have their children injected.
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Hey, it's a global pandemic don't you know. Apparently stopping breathing for 2 hours is about to be classified a pandemic as well.
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As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I was thinking more along the lines of innocent people being prosecuted for having the flu or failing to take injections or have their children injected.
Not so much being prosecuted, but there are plans here in the UK for schools and health visitors to be notified of children who haven't had their MMR jabs or equivalent.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Oh the irony! Sensationalist reporting of an investigation... leads to... People not taking the MMR jab... leads to... Sensationalist reporting of prople not taking MMR jab... I would love to know where this is going to lead now, but I don't quite have the imagination....
Vincent www.pub-olympics.com
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Oh the irony! Sensationalist reporting of an investigation... leads to... People not taking the MMR jab... leads to... Sensationalist reporting of prople not taking MMR jab... I would love to know where this is going to lead now, but I don't quite have the imagination....
Vincent www.pub-olympics.com
Sensationalist reporting about the drastic effects of (other papers) sensationalist reporting.
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I can't believe I've written an entire post concerning cucumber regulations. Has the lounge really come to this?
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
ROTFL !!! Only when CSS is involved.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Oh the irony! Sensationalist reporting of an investigation... leads to... People not taking the MMR jab... leads to... Sensationalist reporting of prople not taking MMR jab... I would love to know where this is going to lead now, but I don't quite have the imagination....
Vincent www.pub-olympics.com
It is good, isn't it?
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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I can't believe I've written an entire post concerning cucumber regulations. Has the lounge really come to this?
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Well at least it wasn't from memory! :D Err, it wasn't, was it??
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Well at least it wasn't from memory! :D Err, it wasn't, was it??
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No - I had to look it up again. I was the IT Manager for a wholesale produce distributor when that regulation came in, and I remember having to update a lot of systems. That particular one stuck with me (mainly because I had to update 4 cities in one day - covering about 500 miles, and the time taken to do the installs, plus the drive time meant I was on the road for about 22 hours).
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216017/Police-threaten-mother-cells--pulling-dead-plant-flowerbed.html?ITO=1490&referrer=yahoo[^] These kinds of things are really shameful. It is as if the police have solved all crimes, and protected citizens from all possible crimes, and hence there is nothing else to do other than things like these. Shameful!
To involve the police was insane, but as a gardener who grows Canna Lillies what she did was wrong because the top dies off naturally every year in that climate but the rhizome will send up a new shoot the next year. To pull the whole thing out like she did is a crime against gardening.
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My point is; the Daily Mail has been known to get the news wrong just for the sake of a cheap sensationalist headline. They ran an article a couple of years ago that the EU was going to ban grocers from selling curved cucumbers. Let's just say that this was complete and utter Horlicks.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
If by "complete and utter Horlicks", you mean "correctly summarizing the regulation". Quality standard regulations by definition exclude products from going to market. One would assume violation of said regulations would result in punishment (by the state, obviously). I fail to see any fallacy in the alluded headline. The sensationalism or outrage opined by the Daily Mail is understandable if they hold the belief that punishment must come from the hand of the free-market, not the collective thought of politicians--who are not held responsible for sustainability of the grocery food supply-chain.
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If by "complete and utter Horlicks", you mean "correctly summarizing the regulation". Quality standard regulations by definition exclude products from going to market. One would assume violation of said regulations would result in punishment (by the state, obviously). I fail to see any fallacy in the alluded headline. The sensationalism or outrage opined by the Daily Mail is understandable if they hold the belief that punishment must come from the hand of the free-market, not the collective thought of politicians--who are not held responsible for sustainability of the grocery food supply-chain.
puromtec1 wrote:
"correctly summarizing the regulation".
Have you read the regulations? I've linked to it above if you'd like to peruse it - there's nothing about straight cucumbers, just control of classifications.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216017/Police-threaten-mother-cells--pulling-dead-plant-flowerbed.html?ITO=1490&referrer=yahoo[^] These kinds of things are really shameful. It is as if the police have solved all crimes, and protected citizens from all possible crimes, and hence there is nothing else to do other than things like these. Shameful!
Police has little to do with that, you should look out for the plaintiffs! ;)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216017/Police-threaten-mother-cells--pulling-dead-plant-flowerbed.html?ITO=1490&referrer=yahoo[^] These kinds of things are really shameful. It is as if the police have solved all crimes, and protected citizens from all possible crimes, and hence there is nothing else to do other than things like these. Shameful!
Without even following the link, I will answer with a resounding and emphasised NO!
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puromtec1 wrote:
"correctly summarizing the regulation".
Have you read the regulations? I've linked to it above if you'd like to peruse it - there's nothing about straight cucumbers, just control of classifications.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Read it. Interesting read. The headline is, in fact, correct. However, the regulation does not 'completely' ban crooked cucumbers. Did the article say so, btw? If a grocer has a pack of cucumbers packaged up and on the shelf with crooked cucumbers mixed with straight cucumbers, the regulation bans them from selling that package. The classification system establishes what you can print on the label of the package, whereas the packaging provision does the banning. Hark back to my first post. This burden of packaging segregation placed on the grocery food supply-chain leaves a casual observer to question the thoughtfulness of the politicians. While completely an exercise in extrapolation, I'll wager that some particular competitor to the crooked cucumber farm greased the wheels of the political machine to get that clause added. I just asked my wife, she does not think curved cucumbers taste any different (....that's what she said :cool:)
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Read it. Interesting read. The headline is, in fact, correct. However, the regulation does not 'completely' ban crooked cucumbers. Did the article say so, btw? If a grocer has a pack of cucumbers packaged up and on the shelf with crooked cucumbers mixed with straight cucumbers, the regulation bans them from selling that package. The classification system establishes what you can print on the label of the package, whereas the packaging provision does the banning. Hark back to my first post. This burden of packaging segregation placed on the grocery food supply-chain leaves a casual observer to question the thoughtfulness of the politicians. While completely an exercise in extrapolation, I'll wager that some particular competitor to the crooked cucumber farm greased the wheels of the political machine to get that clause added. I just asked my wife, she does not think curved cucumbers taste any different (....that's what she said :cool:)
puromtec1 wrote:
Did the article say so, btw?
Yes. That was the whole point - it didn't say that there would be classifications of cucumbers; it said that curved cucumbers were to be banned - so the headline was, in fact, wrong.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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To involve the police was insane, but as a gardener who grows Canna Lillies what she did was wrong because the top dies off naturally every year in that climate but the rhizome will send up a new shoot the next year. To pull the whole thing out like she did is a crime against gardening.
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John C wrote:
To involve the police was insane
Let's look at the actual facts of this story.
- A female member of the public decides to remove a plant from a council flower bed, because, in her opinion, said plant is dead.
- She is seen in the act by another member of the public, who notices that the woman not only uproots the plant, but puts it in the boot of her car
- The second person, probably rightly, reports the offender's number plate to the council for stealing plants; the council regularly has plants stolen from its gardens.
- The council, as is to be expected, pass the information to the police, and ask them to investigate the facts of the case.
- The police call at the woman's home to interview her about the alleged offence, in accordance with standard procedures. Having interviewed the woman they decide that no further action need be taken, but she is warned to be more careful in future.
- Having been interviewed by the police the woman goes into public hysterics mode and calls the Daily Mail to complain about police overreaction, and how her daughter was terrified by the episode.
- The Daily Mail turns a minor incident into a full scale attack on police heavy-handedness
The original point, that this woman, who does not work for the council parks and gardens department, took it upon herself to remove council property without authorisation, seems to have been lost.
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puromtec1 wrote:
Did the article say so, btw?
Yes. That was the whole point - it didn't say that there would be classifications of cucumbers; it said that curved cucumbers were to be banned - so the headline was, in fact, wrong.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&num=100&q=site%3Adailymail.co.uk+cucumber+straight&aq=f&oq=&aqi=[^] This google search yields two relevant pages: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081329/Campaign-bring-curvy-cucumber-grows-EU-comes-pressure-relax-rules-sale-imperfect-fruit-veg.html[^] This correctly states the regulation. No where does it say curved cucumbers are banned, much less banned completely. They do, however, provide an analysis of the regulation that states it will effectively prevent produce from reaching the market. For the seasoned political analyst, this appears as the way government typically gets things done. (Imagine if cigarettes had a 3000% tax increase) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026905/Crooked-cucumbers-bendy-bananas-supermarket-shelves.html[^] Here it correctly identifies the regulation again in a post-mortem report of the regulation. The more I read about it, the more this thing is starting to smell of political insider trickery that enabled the creation of regulation in the first place. [quote]it didn't say that there would be classifications of cucumbers[/quote] They do make a reference to the classification system and provide an analysis of it that is based on grocers own statements on how it can cause customers to balk at the price if produce is given some lower classification (by law) when in fact there nothing reduced in 'real' quality. This is akind to a private business being forced to out-source it's marketing department to the government who may actually be acting in the best interest of a competitor who succ