Have the UK police got nothing else to do at all?
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My point is; the Daily Mail has been known to get the news wrong just for the sake of a cheap sensationalist headline. They ran an article a couple of years ago that the EU was going to ban grocers from selling curved cucumbers. Let's just say that this was complete and utter Horlicks.
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If by "complete and utter Horlicks", you mean "correctly summarizing the regulation". Quality standard regulations by definition exclude products from going to market. One would assume violation of said regulations would result in punishment (by the state, obviously). I fail to see any fallacy in the alluded headline. The sensationalism or outrage opined by the Daily Mail is understandable if they hold the belief that punishment must come from the hand of the free-market, not the collective thought of politicians--who are not held responsible for sustainability of the grocery food supply-chain.
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If by "complete and utter Horlicks", you mean "correctly summarizing the regulation". Quality standard regulations by definition exclude products from going to market. One would assume violation of said regulations would result in punishment (by the state, obviously). I fail to see any fallacy in the alluded headline. The sensationalism or outrage opined by the Daily Mail is understandable if they hold the belief that punishment must come from the hand of the free-market, not the collective thought of politicians--who are not held responsible for sustainability of the grocery food supply-chain.
puromtec1 wrote:
"correctly summarizing the regulation".
Have you read the regulations? I've linked to it above if you'd like to peruse it - there's nothing about straight cucumbers, just control of classifications.
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As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216017/Police-threaten-mother-cells--pulling-dead-plant-flowerbed.html?ITO=1490&referrer=yahoo[^] These kinds of things are really shameful. It is as if the police have solved all crimes, and protected citizens from all possible crimes, and hence there is nothing else to do other than things like these. Shameful!
Police has little to do with that, you should look out for the plaintiffs! ;)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216017/Police-threaten-mother-cells--pulling-dead-plant-flowerbed.html?ITO=1490&referrer=yahoo[^] These kinds of things are really shameful. It is as if the police have solved all crimes, and protected citizens from all possible crimes, and hence there is nothing else to do other than things like these. Shameful!
Without even following the link, I will answer with a resounding and emphasised NO!
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puromtec1 wrote:
"correctly summarizing the regulation".
Have you read the regulations? I've linked to it above if you'd like to peruse it - there's nothing about straight cucumbers, just control of classifications.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Read it. Interesting read. The headline is, in fact, correct. However, the regulation does not 'completely' ban crooked cucumbers. Did the article say so, btw? If a grocer has a pack of cucumbers packaged up and on the shelf with crooked cucumbers mixed with straight cucumbers, the regulation bans them from selling that package. The classification system establishes what you can print on the label of the package, whereas the packaging provision does the banning. Hark back to my first post. This burden of packaging segregation placed on the grocery food supply-chain leaves a casual observer to question the thoughtfulness of the politicians. While completely an exercise in extrapolation, I'll wager that some particular competitor to the crooked cucumber farm greased the wheels of the political machine to get that clause added. I just asked my wife, she does not think curved cucumbers taste any different (....that's what she said :cool:)
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Read it. Interesting read. The headline is, in fact, correct. However, the regulation does not 'completely' ban crooked cucumbers. Did the article say so, btw? If a grocer has a pack of cucumbers packaged up and on the shelf with crooked cucumbers mixed with straight cucumbers, the regulation bans them from selling that package. The classification system establishes what you can print on the label of the package, whereas the packaging provision does the banning. Hark back to my first post. This burden of packaging segregation placed on the grocery food supply-chain leaves a casual observer to question the thoughtfulness of the politicians. While completely an exercise in extrapolation, I'll wager that some particular competitor to the crooked cucumber farm greased the wheels of the political machine to get that clause added. I just asked my wife, she does not think curved cucumbers taste any different (....that's what she said :cool:)
puromtec1 wrote:
Did the article say so, btw?
Yes. That was the whole point - it didn't say that there would be classifications of cucumbers; it said that curved cucumbers were to be banned - so the headline was, in fact, wrong.
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As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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To involve the police was insane, but as a gardener who grows Canna Lillies what she did was wrong because the top dies off naturally every year in that climate but the rhizome will send up a new shoot the next year. To pull the whole thing out like she did is a crime against gardening.
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John C wrote:
To involve the police was insane
Let's look at the actual facts of this story.
- A female member of the public decides to remove a plant from a council flower bed, because, in her opinion, said plant is dead.
- She is seen in the act by another member of the public, who notices that the woman not only uproots the plant, but puts it in the boot of her car
- The second person, probably rightly, reports the offender's number plate to the council for stealing plants; the council regularly has plants stolen from its gardens.
- The council, as is to be expected, pass the information to the police, and ask them to investigate the facts of the case.
- The police call at the woman's home to interview her about the alleged offence, in accordance with standard procedures. Having interviewed the woman they decide that no further action need be taken, but she is warned to be more careful in future.
- Having been interviewed by the police the woman goes into public hysterics mode and calls the Daily Mail to complain about police overreaction, and how her daughter was terrified by the episode.
- The Daily Mail turns a minor incident into a full scale attack on police heavy-handedness
The original point, that this woman, who does not work for the council parks and gardens department, took it upon herself to remove council property without authorisation, seems to have been lost.
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puromtec1 wrote:
Did the article say so, btw?
Yes. That was the whole point - it didn't say that there would be classifications of cucumbers; it said that curved cucumbers were to be banned - so the headline was, in fact, wrong.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&num=100&q=site%3Adailymail.co.uk+cucumber+straight&aq=f&oq=&aqi=[^] This google search yields two relevant pages: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081329/Campaign-bring-curvy-cucumber-grows-EU-comes-pressure-relax-rules-sale-imperfect-fruit-veg.html[^] This correctly states the regulation. No where does it say curved cucumbers are banned, much less banned completely. They do, however, provide an analysis of the regulation that states it will effectively prevent produce from reaching the market. For the seasoned political analyst, this appears as the way government typically gets things done. (Imagine if cigarettes had a 3000% tax increase) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026905/Crooked-cucumbers-bendy-bananas-supermarket-shelves.html[^] Here it correctly identifies the regulation again in a post-mortem report of the regulation. The more I read about it, the more this thing is starting to smell of political insider trickery that enabled the creation of regulation in the first place. [quote]it didn't say that there would be classifications of cucumbers[/quote] They do make a reference to the classification system and provide an analysis of it that is based on grocers own statements on how it can cause customers to balk at the price if produce is given some lower classification (by law) when in fact there nothing reduced in 'real' quality. This is akind to a private business being forced to out-source it's marketing department to the government who may actually be acting in the best interest of a competitor who succ
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http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&num=100&q=site%3Adailymail.co.uk+cucumber+straight&aq=f&oq=&aqi=[^] This google search yields two relevant pages: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1081329/Campaign-bring-curvy-cucumber-grows-EU-comes-pressure-relax-rules-sale-imperfect-fruit-veg.html[^] This correctly states the regulation. No where does it say curved cucumbers are banned, much less banned completely. They do, however, provide an analysis of the regulation that states it will effectively prevent produce from reaching the market. For the seasoned political analyst, this appears as the way government typically gets things done. (Imagine if cigarettes had a 3000% tax increase) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1026905/Crooked-cucumbers-bendy-bananas-supermarket-shelves.html[^] Here it correctly identifies the regulation again in a post-mortem report of the regulation. The more I read about it, the more this thing is starting to smell of political insider trickery that enabled the creation of regulation in the first place. [quote]it didn't say that there would be classifications of cucumbers[/quote] They do make a reference to the classification system and provide an analysis of it that is based on grocers own statements on how it can cause customers to balk at the price if produce is given some lower classification (by law) when in fact there nothing reduced in 'real' quality. This is akind to a private business being forced to out-source it's marketing department to the government who may actually be acting in the best interest of a competitor who succ
Well found, but those weren't the original articles. The straight cucumber article in question actually date back into the 90s, when the regulations came into force here in the UK. While it's fair to say that these two articles mention the classifications, the original didn't - it went straight for the sensationalist headline - the Mail long having had a campaign running against Europe.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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There have already been cases that could be seen as bio crimes - people purposefully drugged people and injected their blood into them to give them HIV That is, IMO, a crime that should be punished by slow impalement.
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My point is; the Daily Mail has been known to get the news wrong just for the sake of a cheap sensationalist headline. They ran an article a couple of years ago that the EU was going to ban grocers from selling curved cucumbers. Let's just say that this was complete and utter Horlicks.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith
As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
the Daily Mail has been known to get the news wrong just for the sake of a cheap sensationalist headline.
Nailed it. What actually happened: Policeman: "Listen, Love, we both know it's stupid, but if enough f***ing idiots complain, we'll have no choice but to take you down to the station."
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