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    Mozilla slams Google's Chrome Frame as 'browser soup'[^] Google's approach to solving the outdated browser problem is the path to madness, Baker concluded. "Imagine having the Google browser-within-a-browser for some sites, the Facebook browser-within-a-browser for Facebook Connect sites, the Apple variant for iTunes, the mobile-carrier variant for your mobile sites," said Baker. "Each browser-within-a-browser variant will have its own feature set, its own quirks, and its own security problems. The result is a sort of browser-soup, where ... the Web is less knowable, less understandable and certainly less manageable."

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      Mozilla slams Google's Chrome Frame as 'browser soup'[^] Google's approach to solving the outdated browser problem is the path to madness, Baker concluded. "Imagine having the Google browser-within-a-browser for some sites, the Facebook browser-within-a-browser for Facebook Connect sites, the Apple variant for iTunes, the mobile-carrier variant for your mobile sites," said Baker. "Each browser-within-a-browser variant will have its own feature set, its own quirks, and its own security problems. The result is a sort of browser-soup, where ... the Web is less knowable, less understandable and certainly less manageable."

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      I agree. It's stupid if it goes that far. But there are some cases when a browser frame can be helpful for testing. I have a IETab plug-in installed for Firefox so I can quickly switch between IE and Firefox rendering engines for individual sites. It's useful for testing, and also the stupid MS update sites don't work in Firefox . Also, Sharepoint pages have glitches in Firefox. It mustn't get out of hand though, if we start having every major website providing their own browser then things will get silly. We've got enough. Nobody make any more.

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        Mozilla slams Google's Chrome Frame as 'browser soup'[^] Google's approach to solving the outdated browser problem is the path to madness, Baker concluded. "Imagine having the Google browser-within-a-browser for some sites, the Facebook browser-within-a-browser for Facebook Connect sites, the Apple variant for iTunes, the mobile-carrier variant for your mobile sites," said Baker. "Each browser-within-a-browser variant will have its own feature set, its own quirks, and its own security problems. The result is a sort of browser-soup, where ... the Web is less knowable, less understandable and certainly less manageable."

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        Mozilla “slamming” Google Chrome Frame was Inevitable as the setting sun, this has potential to hurt their position in the browser wars quite badly and enhance Microsoft's. Especially if a bundling or preinstall deal is done.

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          I agree. It's stupid if it goes that far. But there are some cases when a browser frame can be helpful for testing. I have a IETab plug-in installed for Firefox so I can quickly switch between IE and Firefox rendering engines for individual sites. It's useful for testing, and also the stupid MS update sites don't work in Firefox . Also, Sharepoint pages have glitches in Firefox. It mustn't get out of hand though, if we start having every major website providing their own browser then things will get silly. We've got enough. Nobody make any more.

          Simon

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          Simon Stevens wrote:

          I have a IETab plug-in installed for Firefox so I can quickly switch between IE and Firefox rendering engines for singles sites.

          You do a lot of online dating?

          I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine

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            Simon Stevens wrote:

            I have a IETab plug-in installed for Firefox so I can quickly switch between IE and Firefox rendering engines for singles sites.

            You do a lot of online dating?

            I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine

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            :laugh: No. Just a typo. "individual sites" is obviously what I meant.

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              I agree. It's stupid if it goes that far. But there are some cases when a browser frame can be helpful for testing. I have a IETab plug-in installed for Firefox so I can quickly switch between IE and Firefox rendering engines for individual sites. It's useful for testing, and also the stupid MS update sites don't work in Firefox . Also, Sharepoint pages have glitches in Firefox. It mustn't get out of hand though, if we start having every major website providing their own browser then things will get silly. We've got enough. Nobody make any more.

              Simon

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              Simon Stevens wrote:

              I have a IETab plug-in installed for Firefox so I can quickly switch between IE and Firefox rendering engines for singles sites. It's useful for testing

              Excellent plug-in. It was very handy when I was working on an ASP.NET intranet app. that had as part of its requirements that it must work properly in both IE and Firefox. Convenient to just work within two browser tabs rather than run up IE separately.

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                I agree. It's stupid if it goes that far. But there are some cases when a browser frame can be helpful for testing. I have a IETab plug-in installed for Firefox so I can quickly switch between IE and Firefox rendering engines for individual sites. It's useful for testing, and also the stupid MS update sites don't work in Firefox . Also, Sharepoint pages have glitches in Firefox. It mustn't get out of hand though, if we start having every major website providing their own browser then things will get silly. We've got enough. Nobody make any more.

                Simon

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                Simon Stevens wrote:

                It mustn't get out of hand though, if we start having every major website providing their own browser then things will get silly. We've got enough. Nobody make any more.

                Wonder if anyone ever said the same thing about web browser and office toolbar add-ins, system tray "agent" type apps, custom download managers you only ever need for a single application, shell extensions (each one of which makes explorer a little bit slower and which all mount up) and all the other pointless crap that way too much software seems to come laden with these days.

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                  Simon Stevens wrote:

                  It mustn't get out of hand though, if we start having every major website providing their own browser then things will get silly. We've got enough. Nobody make any more.

                  Wonder if anyone ever said the same thing about web browser and office toolbar add-ins, system tray "agent" type apps, custom download managers you only ever need for a single application, shell extensions (each one of which makes explorer a little bit slower and which all mount up) and all the other pointless crap that way too much software seems to come laden with these days.

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                  Dave Parker wrote:

                  system tray "agent" type apps

                  :omg: You're right. Maybe no ones ever said it. We must act[^] right away.

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                    :laugh: No. Just a typo. "individual sites" is obviously what I meant.

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                    Simon Stevens wrote:

                    No. Just a typo. "individual sites" is obviously what I meant.

                    That's the boring answer. Make something up.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      Mozilla slams Google's Chrome Frame as 'browser soup'[^] Google's approach to solving the outdated browser problem is the path to madness, Baker concluded. "Imagine having the Google browser-within-a-browser for some sites, the Facebook browser-within-a-browser for Facebook Connect sites, the Apple variant for iTunes, the mobile-carrier variant for your mobile sites," said Baker. "Each browser-within-a-browser variant will have its own feature set, its own quirks, and its own security problems. The result is a sort of browser-soup, where ... the Web is less knowable, less understandable and certainly less manageable."

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                      Mark_Wallace
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                      So this plug-in works with IE, and FF doesn't like it? Quelle surprise!

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        Simon Stevens wrote:

                        No. Just a typo. "individual sites" is obviously what I meant.

                        That's the boring answer. Make something up.

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        "singles sites" is actually a code word for government agent communications forums. When working in the field, agents post messages on said "singles sites" posing as individuals looking for romance. Cleverly encoded in their posts is details of their current mission status, and future targets. I was involved in a project sponsored the Russian Mafia attempting to decode these messages. The idea was to interconnect the unwitting users of our Firefox plugin and monitor the access to aforementioned "singles sites". These users would be connected in complex networks (usual toroidal in nature) in order to produce emergent analysis of the encrypted data. IETab actually stands for "Integrated Encryption Toroidal analysis blueprint". After several years of research the largely unsuccessful project was abandoned and IETab code was turned over to the open source community where they completely misunderstood the complex logic involved and turned it into a browser rendering plugin. And now you know, I'm afraid I'm going to have to kill you. :suss:

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                          "singles sites" is actually a code word for government agent communications forums. When working in the field, agents post messages on said "singles sites" posing as individuals looking for romance. Cleverly encoded in their posts is details of their current mission status, and future targets. I was involved in a project sponsored the Russian Mafia attempting to decode these messages. The idea was to interconnect the unwitting users of our Firefox plugin and monitor the access to aforementioned "singles sites". These users would be connected in complex networks (usual toroidal in nature) in order to produce emergent analysis of the encrypted data. IETab actually stands for "Integrated Encryption Toroidal analysis blueprint". After several years of research the largely unsuccessful project was abandoned and IETab code was turned over to the open source community where they completely misunderstood the complex logic involved and turned it into a browser rendering plugin. And now you know, I'm afraid I'm going to have to kill you. :suss:

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                          Wow! I love coming here, to mix with all the interesting people!

                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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