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  • J Jim Crafton

    So long as your barking by the hour (and charging accordingly as well!).

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    Marcus_Idle
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    There is an adage that goes: you should always charge what the market can bear.

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    • M Marcus_Idle

      There is an adage that goes: you should always charge what the market can bear.

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      Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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      Bear, not dog or tree. Right. Gotcha! Thanks for the heads up! :-D

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      • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

        Bear, not dog or tree. Right. Gotcha! Thanks for the heads up! :-D

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        Jim Crafton
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        A bear, a bull, a dog, just so long as you don't piss on the wrong tree!

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        • M Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

          If memory still serves, Ennis had a pretty complicated and near realistic model built. Then again, I might be barking up the wrong tree...

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          Gary R Wheeler
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          My model is simple: charge enough that I don't mind being a whore.

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          • J Jim Crafton

            A bear, a bull, a dog, just so long as you don't piss on the wrong tree!

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            Mustafa Ismail Mustafa
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            Jim Crafton wrote:

            A bear, a bull, a dog, just so long as you don't piss on the wrong tree!

            Territorial issues?

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            • L leckey 0

              I know this has been asked before but I can't remember what sites were mentioned. What are good sites to see what rates other programmers are charging for consulting gigs (specifically the US)? I know some had some other guidelines such as if they don't pay for health insurance, then up x% and such. Thanks!

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              Lost User
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              I hope you weren't expecting a sensible answer :~

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              • L leckey 0

                I know this has been asked before but I can't remember what sites were mentioned. What are good sites to see what rates other programmers are charging for consulting gigs (specifically the US)? I know some had some other guidelines such as if they don't pay for health insurance, then up x% and such. Thanks!

                Back in the blog beatch! http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                Christian Graus
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                When I was asked to provide rates, I used to find something I wanted to buy, and quote enough to buy it. It worked at the time.

                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                • G Gary R Wheeler

                  My model is simple: charge enough that I don't mind being a whore.

                  Software Zen: delete this;
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                  Christopher Duncan
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                  I prefer mercenary. :)

                  Christopher Duncan www.PracticalUSA.com Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Copywriting Services

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                  • L leckey 0

                    I know this has been asked before but I can't remember what sites were mentioned. What are good sites to see what rates other programmers are charging for consulting gigs (specifically the US)? I know some had some other guidelines such as if they don't pay for health insurance, then up x% and such. Thanks!

                    Back in the blog beatch! http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                    I charge $55 to $65 per hour depending on whether benefits/vacation is included. $55 for w2/benefits $65 for 1099/no benefits

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                    • G Gary R Wheeler

                      My model is simple: charge enough that I don't mind being a whore.

                      Software Zen: delete this;
                      Fold With Us![^]

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                      Mycroft Holmes
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                      Tell that to your agent and then take the analogy further and call him/her a pimp. The look on their face is classic if they have not heard it before.

                      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                        I charge $55 to $65 per hour depending on whether benefits/vacation is included. $55 for w2/benefits $65 for 1099/no benefits

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                        AspDotNetDev
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                        Wow, I'm getting raped. About $29/hour (with an employer, not contracting). I already knew that though, as my salary is $20K less than my salary report.

                        Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.

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                        • G Gary R Wheeler

                          My model is simple: charge enough that I don't mind being a whore.

                          Software Zen: delete this;
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                          Lost User
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                          Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                          My model is simple: charge enough that I don't mind being a whore.

                          Never quite understood this "whore" thing; I used to work with a guy (Glaswegian!) who regularly parroted this garbage. Everybody, bar none, who earns their living by hiring themselves out (i.e. going to work for money) is in the same situation. Calling us whores is meaningless, we are earning a living from our skills or talents. If you believe that equates to whoring then I think you are doing a dissservice to prostitutes.

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                          • C Christopher Duncan

                            I prefer mercenary. :)

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                            Gary R Wheeler
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                            That works too. My martial skills are minimal, so the 'on-your-back' image, which anyone can work to, fits me better.

                            Software Zen: delete this;
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                              Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                              My model is simple: charge enough that I don't mind being a whore.

                              Never quite understood this "whore" thing; I used to work with a guy (Glaswegian!) who regularly parroted this garbage. Everybody, bar none, who earns their living by hiring themselves out (i.e. going to work for money) is in the same situation. Calling us whores is meaningless, we are earning a living from our skills or talents. If you believe that equates to whoring then I think you are doing a dissservice to prostitutes.

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                              Gary R Wheeler
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                              Using the term 'whore' is descriptive of the disgusting things we do for money (VB anyone?).

                              Software Zen: delete this;
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                              • C Christian Graus

                                When I was asked to provide rates, I used to find something I wanted to buy, and quote enough to buy it. It worked at the time.

                                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                Lost User
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                                it must have been a crap contract when you wanted that 'Play along with the Shadows' Tab book :)

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                                • A AspDotNetDev

                                  Wow, I'm getting raped. About $29/hour (with an employer, not contracting). I already knew that though, as my salary is $20K less than my salary report.

                                  Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.

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                                  leckey 0
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                                  Don't fret; I know I make WAY less for my experience but since I'm married with no kids, I've found keeping my salary lower means less in taxes overall.

                                  Back in the blog beatch! http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                                  • C Christian Graus

                                    When I was asked to provide rates, I used to find something I wanted to buy, and quote enough to buy it. It worked at the time.

                                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                    leckey 0
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                                    So how much is a general "divorce" these days?

                                    Back in the blog beatch! http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      I hope you weren't expecting a sensible answer :~

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                                      leckey 0
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                                      Oi, I really was! Guess it depends on whom asks the question!

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                                      • L leckey 0

                                        I know this has been asked before but I can't remember what sites were mentioned. What are good sites to see what rates other programmers are charging for consulting gigs (specifically the US)? I know some had some other guidelines such as if they don't pay for health insurance, then up x% and such. Thanks!

                                        Back in the blog beatch! http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                                        smcnulty2000
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                                        It was just a few days ago, And worth throwing into my evernote. Contractor calculator http://www.erlglobal.com/index.php?pageName=rate

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                                        • L leckey 0

                                          I know this has been asked before but I can't remember what sites were mentioned. What are good sites to see what rates other programmers are charging for consulting gigs (specifically the US)? I know some had some other guidelines such as if they don't pay for health insurance, then up x% and such. Thanks!

                                          Back in the blog beatch! http://CraptasticNation.blogspot.com/[^]

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                                          Dr Walt Fair PE
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                                          I'll attempt a serious reply. I sit down and tabulate my expenses, house, car, computers, etc., as well as insurance, food, retirement savings. That gives me the minimum I need to earn to live. Then I figure about how many hours I'll work per week, month, etc. By default I figure half time is good to start with, but it gets easier once you have some experience and some clients built up. (Actually I keep a spreadsheet that I update at least monthly to keep track of such things.) Then I check what others are charging for similar service and get a range. I talk to friends and associates to find out what they are charging -- of course, they're not usually my competitors, either! If my needs aren't in the range, then I start looking for a job! To start I charged near the middle of the range and work like crazy to find clients. Once I'm working about as much as I can, then I start raising my rates slightly for each new contract, as long as I'm still staying busy enough. I end up earning slightly more over time and picking more jobs that I really want to do. Good luck! Getting started and getting your client base built up is the hard part. Once you've got some fairly continuous repeat work and a good reputation, the subject of rates gets less important. Plus you'll also have the experience to know what your market will bear. I started at between $30 and $50/hour back in 1991. Now I usually charge at least $150/hour plus expenses for the type of work I do. YMMV!

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                                          Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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