The Warm Glow of the Computer
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I believe that the language you're referring to was LOGO (not to be confused with the current cable TV channel of the same name -- it was a lot about "turtle graphics" and making the turtle do things. It was supposed to empower kids and in general make the world a warmer, fuzzier place to be. You see how well it succeeded in that direction. Ah, for the days of Zork I, II, and III! :-D
JD Eveland wrote:
I believe that the language you're referring to was LOGO
Doesn't ring a bell but could be.
JD Eveland wrote:
make the world a warmer, fuzzier place to be. You see how well it succeeded in that direction
:laugh:
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
I started on this actual machine[^] in 1965! Core memory of 16K (yes that is 16,384) 32 bit words of memory. It had a really clever register in the ALU (the radix register) which allowed you to do calculations in £sd (the pre-decimal currency in the UK). Input output devices were paper tape or punched cards with magnetic tape used for permanent storage; printers were mechanical style with drum and hammers, a bit like a typewriter. Programs had to be loaded from a magnetic tape, and if they needed overlays (e.g. compilers) then the overlays would be read in from tape as the program was running; no such thing as virtual memory then! A great machine which gave me my grounding in computing - writing machine code programs which had to be entered by hand using buttons on the CPU control panel.
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
My first computer was a TI-99-4, when I was 10, and I would spend whole weekends coding in TI-BASIC. But, the 'warm, fuzzy, computers taking over the world' feeling you are talking about came when the computer moved to my room... I wrote the simplest infinite loop, changing from black to a color to black, etc...yes, a strobe light! I would change the color, some worked better than others, and would spend lots of hours listening to music in a multi-colored strobe light filled room. I guess that explains a few things... :laugh:
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
Dad "borrowed" a computer from work, which I used mostly for games. My first 'programming' experience was writing a menu system in a batch file to load my games, and prompt for CD etc. I love the fact that I can make a computer do almost anything I can conceive. Couldn't imagine myself doing anything other than development. Edit: It was an IBM PS2 machine, running DOS 6.22
You don't have to be mad to live here [UK], but it helps.
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
I was intimidated and quickly bored. After several years I gave got my own machine, the 386, then started I to appreciate computers.
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
First experience was on a room full of Apple ][ GS' at middle school (6th grade). I used a program called PaintShop Pro (I think, maybe some variant of that name) to create pixel-perfect copies of some video game characters I was into then, like Mario, Kirby, Mega Man, Yoshi, Samus, a few Mario enemies, and even a pixel-perfect copy of Bowser's clown-ship from SMW! Anyway, I digress...I used the graphics to make an animation that took 5 semesters and upwards of 25 floppy disks. To this day, some 15 years later, the teacher of that class still uses my animation as an example of what kids can do if they really try. (Naturally the teacher let me record it to VHS by swapping every...single...floppy...disk...and...waiting...for...them...to...load...and...play...all during one lunch time. It took the whole lunch time for me, but that way he was able to use it at a parent-teacher exhibit as well back then. Of course, he let me copy the VHS for me to be able to keep a copy too! ^_^ After that, I convinced my parents to get me a computer at home...it was an IBM PS/1. Actually we got two, because I blew away the system.ini file on the first one and couldn't yet fix it...so...no more Windows 3.1! Thankfully Wal-Mart took it back and we got a slightly newer one with 4MB(!) of RAM! I started programming with batch files. My autoexec.bat and config.sys were both > 20K (IIRC), because I had extensive, colored menus whereby I could start DOS games with specific settings directly from that boot menu. I toyed with the sample QuickBasic programs, but they seemed so arcane to me. I spent hours going through the help file and printing relevant parts. I got into ANSI coding to make my command prompts cool looking too (I miss that ANSI support Microsoft!! Why did you scrap it!?). I wanted to know how everything worked and how I could make programs too. I became intimately familiar with all of the system settings, even the infantile registry from 3.1. Then, I found VB4 at a nearby college book store (uh-oh...VB...let the flame war begin). I begged and begged and my folks bought it for me! I haven't looked back since. As a matter of fact, it's the VB that got me my current job. Anyway, that's my crash-course down memory lane. Thanks for listening!
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I started on this actual machine[^] in 1965! Core memory of 16K (yes that is 16,384) 32 bit words of memory. It had a really clever register in the ALU (the radix register) which allowed you to do calculations in £sd (the pre-decimal currency in the UK). Input output devices were paper tape or punched cards with magnetic tape used for permanent storage; printers were mechanical style with drum and hammers, a bit like a typewriter. Programs had to be loaded from a magnetic tape, and if they needed overlays (e.g. compilers) then the overlays would be read in from tape as the program was running; no such thing as virtual memory then! A great machine which gave me my grounding in computing - writing machine code programs which had to be entered by hand using buttons on the CPU control panel.
Utterly embarrassing; here is a scan of my handwritten notes from 1984, teching myself BASIC on a TRS-80, which would have been while I was in 6th grade. Geek from birth, please enjoy a massive LOL at my expense. 6thGradeLOLprogramming.JPG Regards, -Mouse :-\
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
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Utterly embarrassing; here is a scan of my handwritten notes from 1984, teching myself BASIC on a TRS-80, which would have been while I was in 6th grade. Geek from birth, please enjoy a massive LOL at my expense. 6thGradeLOLprogramming.JPG Regards, -Mouse :-\
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
Way back when, in 1972, I was in high school math class. The teacher was showing us how to perform some knid of math operation (I din't remember what) which involved multipling very large numbers using scientific notation. Not one to take anyones word for accuracy, I was hand multiplying two 20 digit numbers. I wanted to see how accurate the approximation method was. The teacher saw me doing this and said "just take that down to the computer room". I thought to myself, what the heck is a computer room. I went down and handed the equation to the guy sitting in front of a TTY terminal (paper tape and all). He entered in a few lines of code and instantly the answer typed out. I was amazed and have been hooked on computers ever since. From 75 buad TTY to 6502 assembler, 68HC11, QBASIC, VB, C, C# .Net I love this stuff.
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
When I first used a computer back in '70, we had to type a program on a teletype and phone into a computer in Washington DC we fondly named Harvey and feed the ticker-tape through. (I was in 10th grade). We learned Basic. Didn't really get to work with computers again until later on in the 80s and 90s. Now we have 7 in the house. I work from home doing web development.
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My first computer was a TI-99-4, when I was 10, and I would spend whole weekends coding in TI-BASIC. But, the 'warm, fuzzy, computers taking over the world' feeling you are talking about came when the computer moved to my room... I wrote the simplest infinite loop, changing from black to a color to black, etc...yes, a strobe light! I would change the color, some worked better than others, and would spend lots of hours listening to music in a multi-colored strobe light filled room. I guess that explains a few things... :laugh:
I also started with a TI-994a with the cassette interface. (1983 I think) I spent countless hours learning TI-Basic to make simple programs, math quizzes, etc. and was hooked. I especially enjoyed the Adventure games by Scott Adams. I strayed away from computers for over 10 years until my dad brought home a power mac 6100 from work, then I rediscovered the joy that I had forgotten. Soon after, I went back to college as a CIS major, and finished this time. Now, I have more computers than I care to admit.
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Utterly embarrassing; here is a scan of my handwritten notes from 1984, teching myself BASIC on a TRS-80, which would have been while I was in 6th grade. Geek from birth, please enjoy a massive LOL at my expense. 6thGradeLOLprogramming.JPG Regards, -Mouse :-\
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When I first used a computer back in '70, we had to type a program on a teletype and phone into a computer in Washington DC we fondly named Harvey and feed the ticker-tape through. (I was in 10th grade). We learned Basic. Didn't really get to work with computers again until later on in the 80s and 90s. Now we have 7 in the house. I work from home doing web development.
One other note -- someone mentioned the Adventure game -- I had just started teaching in a business school ("Introduction to Management" to bored sophomores) when one of my students told me about this game that could be accessed in the school's computer lab (i.e., a bunch of terminals connected to a VAX somewhere) -- I spent most free minutes running next door to sign onto it, and even checked out a modem (100 baud) so that I could play from home over the weekends. A couple of years later I went to work for the National Science Foundation in DC, and discovered that the same game could be found on NSF's mainframe; there, I finally solved it all. While at NSF, I bought myself an Apple ][; we got IBM PC's ( with 10 MB hard drives -- how to fill all that up!). When I left NSF in 1985, there were all of 12 PCs in the entire NSF, and I had one of them in my office, having traded my desk chair to my boss for it. Volkswriter, anyone? An entire word processor and all your documents, fitting on one 5.25" disk (that really flopped!) :omg:
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I believe that the language you're referring to was LOGO (not to be confused with the current cable TV channel of the same name -- it was a lot about "turtle graphics" and making the turtle do things. It was supposed to empower kids and in general make the world a warmer, fuzzier place to be. You see how well it succeeded in that direction. Ah, for the days of Zork I, II, and III! :-D
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Was that the Pen Up and Pen Down one?
Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber. - Aristotle
Yes. The idea was a relatively simple control language to teach basic concepts - and empowerment.
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
My first computer was a Commodore Vic20 which if anyone remembers was basically a fat keyboard that you could plug cartridges into. I also had the tape drive which was sooooo slow. You could program in BASIC and I spent a lot of time making mine play music. Oh for the days of all that PEEKing and POKEing and GOTO looping =).
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I remember back when I was a kid, I thought computers were the greatest invention in the world. Life suddenly becomes more interesting because of the thorough complexities and capabilities; all working to entertain, educate, and empower. It was like an entirely new world where your imagination is the only boundary and where anyone can build and control the world inside their computers. What were your impressions of computers when you first starting using and working with them?
At my job I did some very limited assembly coding on an IBM-360. in later jobs I worked with Microdata and PDP mini's. I played my first "Adventure game on a Microdata mini with 16KB of core memory. One of the hardware engineers at still another job gave me a KIM-1. It was a 6502 based SBC with a hex keypad and a 6 digit 7 segment LED display. I spent hours keying in "Hunt the Wumpus" on it. I soon became a hardware designer myself and I did some coding for 2901 state engines. Later I made my own state engines with PLD's. What fun! Later a group of us guys formed a small company to design and manufacture an interface to connect 10 MB 14 inch hard disk drives to TRS-80's, Apple II's and S-100 computers. This was just before disk technology evolved into the sealed IDE hard disk drives which made our product obsolete. Now I'm doing this. Edwin
There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I hate this darn machine, I wish that I could sell it. It won't do what I want it to, but only what I tell it.
"Do what I meant, not what I said."
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