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  • P pelnor

    I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

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    pelnor wrote:

    There isn't just a magic "make it go button"?

    F5 and a properly configured workspace?

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    • P pelnor

      I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

      Latest toy built for fun: Web Lens Best feature: Full size images when using Google image search.

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      Anthony Mushrow
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      What have you been working with instead?

      My current favourite word is: Delicious!

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      • P pelnor

        I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

        Latest toy built for fun: Web Lens Best feature: Full size images when using Google image search.

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        Ian Shlasko
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        I remember that syntax! << = Move left >> = Move right ^ = Jump :: = Run * = Shoot a fireball

        pelnor wrote:

        Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea?

        Well what fun is a platformer if you can't jump?

        Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)

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        • P pelnor

          I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

          Latest toy built for fun: Web Lens Best feature: Full size images when using Google image search.

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          Rama Krishna Vavilala
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          pelnor wrote:

          Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea?

          Are you talking about C++/CLI? Then I agree with you.

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          • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

            pelnor wrote:

            Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea?

            Are you talking about C++/CLI? Then I agree with you.

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            Dan Neely
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            ^ is XOR in C++, vs exponentiation in arithmetic. It's retarded.

            The latest nation. Procrastination.

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            • D Dan Neely

              ^ is XOR in C++, vs exponentiation in arithmetic. It's retarded.

              The latest nation. Procrastination.

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              Rama Krishna Vavilala
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              Yep! I know that:) but never had any problem with it. But ^ in C++/CLI, also called hat or cap, looks just plain ugly.

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              • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                Yep! I know that:) but never had any problem with it. But ^ in C++/CLI, also called hat or cap, looks just plain ugly.

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                Single Step Debugger
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                For some odd reason ^ replaced the _gc in the first CLI.

                The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                  For some odd reason ^ replaced the _gc in the first CLI.

                  The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.

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                  Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                  Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                  replaced the _gc

                  Which was even worse :).

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                  • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                    Deyan Georgiev wrote:

                    replaced the _gc

                    Which was even worse :).

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                    Nemanja Trifunovic
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                    Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                    Which was even worse

                    I dissagree. Underscores are a standard-sanctioned way to extend the language. There was really no reason to break compatibility with Managed C++ and introduce "C++/CLI".

                    utf8-cpp

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                    • P pelnor

                      I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

                      Latest toy built for fun: Web Lens Best feature: Full size images when using Google image search.

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                      Maximilien
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                      pelnor wrote:

                      Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea?

                      It's a chinese pointer.

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                      • D Dan Neely

                        ^ is XOR in C++, vs exponentiation in arithmetic. It's retarded.

                        The latest nation. Procrastination.

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                        John M Drescher
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                        Dan Neely wrote:

                        It's retarded.

                        Agreed. Although, in the 600K to 800K lines of C++ I have produced I do not recall ever using that one time. I would have had to look it up if I saw it..

                        John

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                        • P pelnor

                          I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

                          Latest toy built for fun: Web Lens Best feature: Full size images when using Google image search.

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                          Single Step Debugger
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                          And if you put “&” before some variable, it will returns a strange combination of letters and numbers. I usually use this cute property for getting random numbers in runtime – works great!

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                          • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                            Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                            Which was even worse

                            I dissagree. Underscores are a standard-sanctioned way to extend the language. There was really no reason to break compatibility with Managed C++ and introduce "C++/CLI".

                            utf8-cpp

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                            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                            Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                            Underscores are a standard-sanctioned way to extend the language

                            I agree with that. But there was no need for that (_gc keyword) in the first place. The whole thing could have been a lot simpler. The code simply looked ugly.

                            Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                            There was really no reason to break compatibility with Managed C++ and introduce "C++/CLI".

                            Managed C++ was ugly so was C++/CLI. So no arguments there.

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                            • P pelnor

                              I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

                              Latest toy built for fun: Web Lens Best feature: Full size images when using Google image search.

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                              Dave Parker
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                              It's even better now. As well as pointers and references you now have handles. :) Not that I've ever worked with managed C++ or whatever its called now but I bet it's fun trying to get a handle on pointers to references of pointers to handles. Thing*&^thingy=&somethingNasty; (A while since I did C++ so the above is probably wrong.....)

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                              • P pelnor

                                I have not written any C++ code since 2001. Now I'm dragging one of my old dll's out of mothballs to add some new features. Some where in those 8 absent years the garbage collector or my brain declared C++ syntax of no use and deleted it for me. Now I'm staring at my code wondering what all the hieroglyphics are for. Let's see there's this * guy. He's got something to do with pointers. It's attached or next to some of my variables. Then there's ::, <<, >>, wait.... wait, it's coming back to me.... "<<" is super less than. Got it moving on. Then I run into ^. Oh come on! Who thought ^ was a good idea? Linker? what is that? You mean I have to tell this linker of yours where to look for things just so I can compile? There isn't just a magic "make it go button"? This is going to be a long day. Better load up on the caffeine.

                                Latest toy built for fun: Web Lens Best feature: Full size images when using Google image search.

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                                RugbyLeague
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                                I am converting a compiler and language runtime written in C++ into C# - that's fun :^)

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                                  pelnor wrote:

                                  There isn't just a magic "make it go button"?

                                  F5 and a properly configured workspace?

                                  Server and Network Monitoring

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                                  pelnor
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                                  Propery configured was the challenge. I way jumping the old project over several versions of VS. Things did not go as smooth as i hoped for. But with google by my side i can't fail.

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                                  • A Anthony Mushrow

                                    What have you been working with instead?

                                    My current favourite word is: Delicious!

                                    -SK Genius

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                                    pelnor
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                                    Several years of VB got in the way. I mostly do c# now so it's not tooooo much culture shock. Just some head scratching.

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                                    • J John M Drescher

                                      Dan Neely wrote:

                                      It's retarded.

                                      Agreed. Although, in the 600K to 800K lines of C++ I have produced I do not recall ever using that one time. I would have had to look it up if I saw it..

                                      John

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                                      Dan Neely
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                                      I know I've used it for something before, although I'm not sure what it was. Toggling a bitflag without knowing it's original value???

                                      The latest nation. Procrastination.

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                                      • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                        Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                                        Underscores are a standard-sanctioned way to extend the language

                                        I agree with that. But there was no need for that (_gc keyword) in the first place. The whole thing could have been a lot simpler. The code simply looked ugly.

                                        Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:

                                        There was really no reason to break compatibility with Managed C++ and introduce "C++/CLI".

                                        Managed C++ was ugly so was C++/CLI. So no arguments there.

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                                        Nemanja Trifunovic
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                                        Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:

                                        ugly

                                        I find all C-based languages to be ugly (some more than others). It is not about beauty, but usefulness. Managed C++ is useful for some scenarios and that's what matters. I'd rather use beautiful Haskell but it just does not let me get my job done.

                                        utf8-cpp

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                                        • D Dan Neely

                                          I know I've used it for something before, although I'm not sure what it was. Toggling a bitflag without knowing it's original value???

                                          The latest nation. Procrastination.

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                                          Peter Mulholland
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                                          what about swapping 2 values without a temp variable:

                                          char\* start = str;
                                          char\* end = str + (strlen(str) - 1);
                                          
                                          while (start < end) 
                                          {
                                              \*start ^= \*end;
                                              \*end ^= \*start;
                                              \*start++ ^= \*end--;
                                          }
                                          return str;
                                          

                                          Pete

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