Google just doesn't Give a Damn.
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We had an issue early last year that involved Google indexing and their complete and utter failure to give a damn about websites that rely on them. Here's some icing. Today I tried to log into my Google account, but it being the interwebz I have about a zillion accounts, and not being a regular Google user I normally need to go through half a dozen of my common passwords to work out which one I should be using. Except that after 3 goes my account is disabled. So I click on the 'Can't access your account' link, am presented with another link to reset my password, then refresh it a few times becuse of their horrendous CAPTCHA, then submit, and I get the message "Your account has been disabled". Yes, Google. That's why I'm on this page, Google. You sent me here. And now I'm just that slightly bit more pissed off than I was before. I read their help page which says they reserve the right to terminate an account at any time if the terms of service have been breached. They then give you the option to contact them regarding my disabled, terms-of-use-abusing account - which I do - and after hitting submit I get: Thank you for sharing your ideas with the Google Accounts team. Your feedback and suggestions are important to us. Although we don't follow up regarding individual comments, we do review them all and use them to improve Google Accounts And that's it. Game over.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
I rely heavily on the FireFox Show Passwords button. :)
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Limiting, yes, if you're a bank for instance. Disabling your account and giving you no recourse to recover your account? That's a new level of service to me.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Disabling your account and giving you no recourse to recover your account?
Agreed, but in your OP you mention both "Disable" and "Terminate" as if they are necessarily the same. In my experience, they are usually quite different when it comes to login accounts. Is it possible that by "resetting" your password, they sent a 26 character abomination of a temporary password to a secondary e-mail account that you have not yet checked (or no longer own)? Just trying to help...
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We had an issue early last year that involved Google indexing and their complete and utter failure to give a damn about websites that rely on them. Here's some icing. Today I tried to log into my Google account, but it being the interwebz I have about a zillion accounts, and not being a regular Google user I normally need to go through half a dozen of my common passwords to work out which one I should be using. Except that after 3 goes my account is disabled. So I click on the 'Can't access your account' link, am presented with another link to reset my password, then refresh it a few times becuse of their horrendous CAPTCHA, then submit, and I get the message "Your account has been disabled". Yes, Google. That's why I'm on this page, Google. You sent me here. And now I'm just that slightly bit more pissed off than I was before. I read their help page which says they reserve the right to terminate an account at any time if the terms of service have been breached. They then give you the option to contact them regarding my disabled, terms-of-use-abusing account - which I do - and after hitting submit I get: Thank you for sharing your ideas with the Google Accounts team. Your feedback and suggestions are important to us. Although we don't follow up regarding individual comments, we do review them all and use them to improve Google Accounts And that's it. Game over.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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I rely heavily on the FireFox Show Passwords button. :)
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Even easier, Tools->Options->Security->Saved Passwords->Show Passwords. I use this when I get a new computer, or I'm using a different browsers, and can't remember the password. Of course, this is only useful if you've successfully logged into a site, and told FF to remember the password.
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Demand your money back.
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He would but I doubt he knows exact CPI rate they are charging and numbers of ads he saw. So he cannot determine right sum. "Free" software/services are perfect way to avoid responsibility, because you can always say that they are free, which actually is not true. They make money off you and in return it is reasonable for users to expect some kind of support from the service provider and not some lame excuse like "it's free". When you demand your money back from a company from which you bought some commercial product, you might actually get it back, but it's impossible to un-see/un-click all ads you have seen.
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He would but I doubt he knows exact CPI rate they are charging and numbers of ads he saw. So he cannot determine right sum. "Free" software/services are perfect way to avoid responsibility, because you can always say that they are free, which actually is not true. They make money off you and in return it is reasonable for users to expect some kind of support from the service provider and not some lame excuse like "it's free". When you demand your money back from a company from which you bought some commercial product, you might actually get it back, but it's impossible to un-see/un-click all ads you have seen.
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We had an issue early last year that involved Google indexing and their complete and utter failure to give a damn about websites that rely on them. Here's some icing. Today I tried to log into my Google account, but it being the interwebz I have about a zillion accounts, and not being a regular Google user I normally need to go through half a dozen of my common passwords to work out which one I should be using. Except that after 3 goes my account is disabled. So I click on the 'Can't access your account' link, am presented with another link to reset my password, then refresh it a few times becuse of their horrendous CAPTCHA, then submit, and I get the message "Your account has been disabled". Yes, Google. That's why I'm on this page, Google. You sent me here. And now I'm just that slightly bit more pissed off than I was before. I read their help page which says they reserve the right to terminate an account at any time if the terms of service have been breached. They then give you the option to contact them regarding my disabled, terms-of-use-abusing account - which I do - and after hitting submit I get: Thank you for sharing your ideas with the Google Accounts team. Your feedback and suggestions are important to us. Although we don't follow up regarding individual comments, we do review them all and use them to improve Google Accounts And that's it. Game over.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Chris Maunder wrote:
you never know if that will then nuke your old one and you'll have to wait up to 24hrs for a new one, or it may force you to think of a new one but not allow you to use an old one, or it might just auto-generate a 26 character mess that you then have to go in and change.
All true, but isn't it common practice (as blessed by the security illuminati) to limit failed login attempts? If Google allowed unlimited attempts they run the risk of bots breeching accounts and all hell breaks loose. No? I can see the PC World headlines now - "Google Accounts Hacked! - Cloud Computing is an utter failure!"
Mike Mullikin wrote:
All true, but isn't it common practice (as blessed by the security illuminati) to limit failed login attempts?
On high security accounts it is common to disable the account until the verified owner contacts and gets it reset. On not so high security accounts the practice is to have a cooling down period, say 5 login failures in a specified period of time causing a 15 minute wait before you can try again. That prevents bots from blasting the account until successful while allowing the common man to try again after having some time to figure out what their password really is.
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So you are complaining about a free service? Give them $1,500 a month and I bet you get a personal account rep.
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You seem to have drank the "It's Free" Koolaid at some point. While it may be provided at "Free" to you cost, it is ad supported, so someone allowing themselves to be exposed to these ads are payment for the so called "Free" services. In that sense it is not free, just paid for by giving them the opportunity to market to you...
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We had an issue early last year that involved Google indexing and their complete and utter failure to give a damn about websites that rely on them. Here's some icing. Today I tried to log into my Google account, but it being the interwebz I have about a zillion accounts, and not being a regular Google user I normally need to go through half a dozen of my common passwords to work out which one I should be using. Except that after 3 goes my account is disabled. So I click on the 'Can't access your account' link, am presented with another link to reset my password, then refresh it a few times becuse of their horrendous CAPTCHA, then submit, and I get the message "Your account has been disabled". Yes, Google. That's why I'm on this page, Google. You sent me here. And now I'm just that slightly bit more pissed off than I was before. I read their help page which says they reserve the right to terminate an account at any time if the terms of service have been breached. They then give you the option to contact them regarding my disabled, terms-of-use-abusing account - which I do - and after hitting submit I get: Thank you for sharing your ideas with the Google Accounts team. Your feedback and suggestions are important to us. Although we don't follow up regarding individual comments, we do review them all and use them to improve Google Accounts And that's it. Game over.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
I normally need to go through half a dozen of my common passwords to work out which one I should be using
Tisk, tisk. Reusing passwords is a no, no. I have been using variations of this for years now and only have to remember a single password, ever. Go to password.jimmyropes.com[^] and either use it from there or swipe the source code and install it on your local machine. BTW I have been meaning to write an article about this for years now also, but have so mush else on my plate at any point in time that it hasn't happened yet. Perhaps some day I will find the time. It generates unique passwords based on a "pass phrase" (different for each account, e.g. "codeproject" for Code Project) that can be stored in plain view because if the master password (the only one that you need to secure) is not known your various passwords are pretty much impossible to duplicate. All the calculations are done in the browser (javascript) so there is no data transported outside of the browser window. I have different configurations set up because some web sites or applications restrict you to certain lengths and/or configuration of the password; alphabetic, alphanumeric, use of special characters, maximum length of password, etc. It is safe and secure, and the best part, in my opinion, is that there is no one single point of failure. I can access it locally on my machine, from a thumb drive, or on the internet. Regardless of where I access it from the results are the same. I have a password protected variation that also lists my accounts (hot links to the login page) and pass phrases along with what type and length of password I use for the particular account. This is easily accomplished in javascript files I include in the customized version. It makes all the information I use for accessing the various accounts available on one page.
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We had an issue early last year that involved Google indexing and their complete and utter failure to give a damn about websites that rely on them. Here's some icing. Today I tried to log into my Google account, but it being the interwebz I have about a zillion accounts, and not being a regular Google user I normally need to go through half a dozen of my common passwords to work out which one I should be using. Except that after 3 goes my account is disabled. So I click on the 'Can't access your account' link, am presented with another link to reset my password, then refresh it a few times becuse of their horrendous CAPTCHA, then submit, and I get the message "Your account has been disabled". Yes, Google. That's why I'm on this page, Google. You sent me here. And now I'm just that slightly bit more pissed off than I was before. I read their help page which says they reserve the right to terminate an account at any time if the terms of service have been breached. They then give you the option to contact them regarding my disabled, terms-of-use-abusing account - which I do - and after hitting submit I get: Thank you for sharing your ideas with the Google Accounts team. Your feedback and suggestions are important to us. Although we don't follow up regarding individual comments, we do review them all and use them to improve Google Accounts And that's it. Game over.
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Yep, but the minuscule little upside is they don't take as long as their advertised 48 hour turn-around. I am a domain admin on Google apps, for business email etc. I never got disabled, but hit a blank wall when I also forgot my password, and all they could tell me was to contact my administrator, whom I am. After a hellish night of swearing, I managed to VPN into my office machine, on which I was still authenticated on my private account, and use that to eventually get a CNAME based password reset.
