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  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

    Teach themselves and don't need parental intervention. Everyone else is destined to be a Click-n-Play programmer. The best thing the parent can do to provide a programming education is to provide 1) A computer (preferable n computers), 2) Provide access to the Internet, 3) Provide money for books, and 4) Allow staying up late to compile.

    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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    CPallini
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    Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

    Real programmers teach themselves

    Klingon developers don't event need it. :-D

    Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

    Click-n-Play programmer

    or gimme codez plz plz urgentz programmer. :rolleyes:

    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
    This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

      Teach themselves and don't need parental intervention. Everyone else is destined to be a Click-n-Play programmer. The best thing the parent can do to provide a programming education is to provide 1) A computer (preferable n computers), 2) Provide access to the Internet, 3) Provide money for books, and 4) Allow staying up late to compile.

      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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      Doctor Nick
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      Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

      1. Allow staying up late to compilesurf pron

      FTFY :laugh:

      ------------------------------------- Do not do what has already been done. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.. but it ROCKS absolutely, too.

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        This came from a friend this morning: One son is really interested in learning programming. Do you know of any resources for kids to learn on their own ? Not much offered in the 6th grade in our schools. What languages are most people using these days…..or I should say what appears to be the future trends for development ? What would you recommend for a setup if someone wanted to start in terms of hardware and software to start building code and/or websites ? I would suggest Turbo Pascal but I don't think any computers accept the 5 1/4" floppy that I have it on. :) Seriously though, I haven't given it much thought lately. I even looked at some old posts and articles. I'll send the link that came in the CP e-mail this morning http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10375115-2.html[^] , one or two pieces might be useful. Any other ideas?

        SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown

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        P.S. See if he can complete this[^] first.

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        • R Rajesh R Subramanian

          I know the kind of drivel that he posts there (and everywhere else for that matter). However, people should not be voting 1 tirelessly on every single post that he makes; especially not on the ones that are actually sensible.

          Computafreak wrote:

          I don't sympathise with him.

          It's not a matter of sympathy. Some people just vote for the removal of his message, even when there was absolutely nothing offensive in it. That's just plainly wrong and is a misuse of that feature. Which is why I balanced it and voiced my opinion.

          “Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell

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          0x3c0
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          No, they shouldn't. But that's just human nature; if he doesn't want reprisals (for want of a better word) in one forum, then he shouldn't be posting drivel. There is no innocent party here.

          OSDev :)

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          • R Rajesh R Subramanian

            I know the kind of drivel that he posts there (and everywhere else for that matter). However, people should not be voting 1 tirelessly on every single post that he makes; especially not on the ones that are actually sensible.

            Computafreak wrote:

            I don't sympathise with him.

            It's not a matter of sympathy. Some people just vote for the removal of his message, even when there was absolutely nothing offensive in it. That's just plainly wrong and is a misuse of that feature. Which is why I balanced it and voiced my opinion.

            “Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell

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            Big Daddy Farang
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            I'm with you 100 per cent. He occasionaly does have a valid point.

            BDF People don't mind being mean; but they never want to be ridiculous. -- Moliere

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            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

              Teach themselves and don't need parental intervention. Everyone else is destined to be a Click-n-Play programmer. The best thing the parent can do to provide a programming education is to provide 1) A computer (preferable n computers), 2) Provide access to the Internet, 3) Provide money for books, and 4) Allow staying up late to compile.

              Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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              0x3c0
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              Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

              Allow staying up late to compile.

              http://xkcd.com/303/[^]

              OSDev :)

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                Luc Pattyn wrote:

                stay away from the "flashy looks, no content"

                Hear hear! It seems that's all the kids these days are interested in.

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                0x3c0
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                Hello. I'm the exception. ;) In my opinion, knowing how to dynamically link executables and write a network stack will always trounce flashy appearances.

                OSDev :)

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                • L Luc Pattyn

                  lots of syntax there. I forgot to mention macros, nested macros, parameter operations, conditionals, repeats, ... expressions, operators, parentheses, ... :)

                  Luc Pattyn


                  I only read code that is properly indented, and rendered in a non-proportional font; hint: use PRE tags in forum messages


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                  Lost User
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                  Most of that is optional though Ok big parts of "normal" languages are optional as well.. but in, say, C# or Java, you're not going to get around classes (and classes are very confusing if you're never done vtables manually!)

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                    P.S. See if he can complete this[^] first.

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                    Jim SS
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                    Blocked at work; have to wait to get home to look at that :sigh:

                    SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown

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                    • J Jim SS

                      This came from a friend this morning: One son is really interested in learning programming. Do you know of any resources for kids to learn on their own ? Not much offered in the 6th grade in our schools. What languages are most people using these days…..or I should say what appears to be the future trends for development ? What would you recommend for a setup if someone wanted to start in terms of hardware and software to start building code and/or websites ? I would suggest Turbo Pascal but I don't think any computers accept the 5 1/4" floppy that I have it on. :) Seriously though, I haven't given it much thought lately. I even looked at some old posts and articles. I'll send the link that came in the CP e-mail this morning http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10375115-2.html[^] , one or two pieces might be useful. Any other ideas?

                      SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown

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                      If the kid likes tearing things apart -- and what kid doesn't -- this basic stamp kit[^] from Radio Shack is pretty cool.

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                      • J Jim SS

                        This came from a friend this morning: One son is really interested in learning programming. Do you know of any resources for kids to learn on their own ? Not much offered in the 6th grade in our schools. What languages are most people using these days…..or I should say what appears to be the future trends for development ? What would you recommend for a setup if someone wanted to start in terms of hardware and software to start building code and/or websites ? I would suggest Turbo Pascal but I don't think any computers accept the 5 1/4" floppy that I have it on. :) Seriously though, I haven't given it much thought lately. I even looked at some old posts and articles. I'll send the link that came in the CP e-mail this morning http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10375115-2.html[^] , one or two pieces might be useful. Any other ideas?

                        SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown

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                        Dirk Higbee
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                        COBOL :laugh:

                        OMG what's the BFD?

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                        • J Jim SS

                          This came from a friend this morning: One son is really interested in learning programming. Do you know of any resources for kids to learn on their own ? Not much offered in the 6th grade in our schools. What languages are most people using these days…..or I should say what appears to be the future trends for development ? What would you recommend for a setup if someone wanted to start in terms of hardware and software to start building code and/or websites ? I would suggest Turbo Pascal but I don't think any computers accept the 5 1/4" floppy that I have it on. :) Seriously though, I haven't given it much thought lately. I even looked at some old posts and articles. I'll send the link that came in the CP e-mail this morning http://news.cnet.com/8301-17939_109-10375115-2.html[^] , one or two pieces might be useful. Any other ideas?

                          SS => Qualified in Submarines "We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm". Winston Churchill "Real programmers can write FORTRAN in any language". Unknown

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                          Dave Parker
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                          I've heard DarkBasic and Blitz Basic are pretty good for beginners. Maybe VB.NET or C# for more advanced stuff?

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                          • 0 0x3c0

                            No, they shouldn't. But that's just human nature; if he doesn't want reprisals (for want of a better word) in one forum, then he shouldn't be posting drivel. There is no innocent party here.

                            OSDev :)

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                            IF you don't like what I have to say then you can go you know what with yourself. I don't give a damn what people think. I'll do whatever I want, and if you got a problem with that then you are going to have a difficult time for sure.

                            Fall of the Republic[^]

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                              I'm with you 100 per cent. He occasionaly does have a valid point.

                              BDF People don't mind being mean; but they never want to be ridiculous. -- Moliere

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                              He's one of the people who could best enrich the world by leaving it.

                              The latest nation. Procrastination.

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                                IF you don't like what I have to say then you can go you know what with yourself. I don't give a damn what people think. I'll do whatever I want, and if you got a problem with that then you are going to have a difficult time for sure.

                                Fall of the Republic[^]

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                                0x3c0
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                                Remarkable. You've completely ignored the fact that I said that you were partially being picked on unjustly, ignored my point that I don't vote your posts down and instead decided to show off your arrogance. Newsflash: No, you can't do "whatever you want". Like it or not, this is someone else's site and it should be patently obvious that by using it you agree to go by their rules.

                                CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                IF you don't like what I have to say then you can go you know what with yourself

                                Except that it isn't just me. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe - just maybe - you could try to objectively understand why other people don't like your speech patterns and content? Perhaps you should care what people think. You use their site, you go by their rules.

                                CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                I'll do whatever I want, and if you got a problem with that then you are going to have a difficult time for sure.

                                There's the arrogance. Why should people around you have to change because you can't be bothered? Has it ever occurred to you that compromise on two fronts would be a better way to go. And incidentally, I'm hoping that it wasn't you that down-voted two of my posts. It doesn't bother me, merely indicates that you can only make your opinion known by screaming out at the world. If so, then your behaviour is somewhat saddening.

                                OSDev :)

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                                  He's one of the people who could best enrich the world by leaving it.

                                  The latest nation. Procrastination.

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                                  Big Daddy Farang
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                                  Perhaps. He's not an idiot. If he could learn to "work and play well with others" he might be worth saving.

                                  BDF People don't mind being mean; but they never want to be ridiculous. -- Moliere

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                                    He's one of the people who could best enrich the world by leaving it.

                                    The latest nation. Procrastination.

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                                    CaptainSeeSharp
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                                    Dan Neely wrote:

                                    He's one of the people who could best enrich the world by leaving it.

                                    BS! Face up to reality, I'm not going anywhere and there is NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING you can do about it.

                                    Fall of the Republic[^]

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                                    • 0 0x3c0

                                      Remarkable. You've completely ignored the fact that I said that you were partially being picked on unjustly, ignored my point that I don't vote your posts down and instead decided to show off your arrogance. Newsflash: No, you can't do "whatever you want". Like it or not, this is someone else's site and it should be patently obvious that by using it you agree to go by their rules.

                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      IF you don't like what I have to say then you can go you know what with yourself

                                      Except that it isn't just me. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe - just maybe - you could try to objectively understand why other people don't like your speech patterns and content? Perhaps you should care what people think. You use their site, you go by their rules.

                                      CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                      I'll do whatever I want, and if you got a problem with that then you are going to have a difficult time for sure.

                                      There's the arrogance. Why should people around you have to change because you can't be bothered? Has it ever occurred to you that compromise on two fronts would be a better way to go. And incidentally, I'm hoping that it wasn't you that down-voted two of my posts. It doesn't bother me, merely indicates that you can only make your opinion known by screaming out at the world. If so, then your behaviour is somewhat saddening.

                                      OSDev :)

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                                      CaptainSeeSharp
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                                      It is my nature, accept it.

                                      Fall of the Republic[^]

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                                      • 0 0x3c0

                                        Remarkable. You've completely ignored the fact that I said that you were partially being picked on unjustly, ignored my point that I don't vote your posts down and instead decided to show off your arrogance. Newsflash: No, you can't do "whatever you want". Like it or not, this is someone else's site and it should be patently obvious that by using it you agree to go by their rules.

                                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                        IF you don't like what I have to say then you can go you know what with yourself

                                        Except that it isn't just me. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe - just maybe - you could try to objectively understand why other people don't like your speech patterns and content? Perhaps you should care what people think. You use their site, you go by their rules.

                                        CaptainSeeSharp wrote:

                                        I'll do whatever I want, and if you got a problem with that then you are going to have a difficult time for sure.

                                        There's the arrogance. Why should people around you have to change because you can't be bothered? Has it ever occurred to you that compromise on two fronts would be a better way to go. And incidentally, I'm hoping that it wasn't you that down-voted two of my posts. It doesn't bother me, merely indicates that you can only make your opinion known by screaming out at the world. If so, then your behaviour is somewhat saddening.

                                        OSDev :)

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                                        Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                        Ugh... Leave it. :)

                                        “Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell

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                                        • C CaptainSeeSharp

                                          It is my nature, accept it.

                                          Fall of the Republic[^]

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                                          Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                          Will you please take your argument to the backroom or are you going to make me feel bad for having shown a little support for you?

                                          “Follow your bliss.” – Joseph Campbell

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