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    Dalek Dave
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    Convicted murderer to be put to death because of the bible. See Here[^] I am not defending the guy, nor am I saying that the death penalty is incorrect in this case. However, the rule of law should be proscribed by man, not by somebody's imaginary friend or by the characters in a work of fiction. If he is guilty, he must be punished, if the punishment is the death penalty, so be it, but the influence of this propaganda upon the weak minded jurors is wrong, and to be upheld by an officer of the state, ie the judge, who is supposed to be divorced from the religious element is clearly wrong. What happened to the secularity of justice in America? Or is it ok to use it if you are Christian, but wrong if you are of any other or no faith? Hang the bastard by all means, but don't do it because some shepherds on a hill 2000 years ao tell you to.

    ------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noises. " Steve Harris 2009

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      Convicted murderer to be put to death because of the bible. See Here[^] I am not defending the guy, nor am I saying that the death penalty is incorrect in this case. However, the rule of law should be proscribed by man, not by somebody's imaginary friend or by the characters in a work of fiction. If he is guilty, he must be punished, if the punishment is the death penalty, so be it, but the influence of this propaganda upon the weak minded jurors is wrong, and to be upheld by an officer of the state, ie the judge, who is supposed to be divorced from the religious element is clearly wrong. What happened to the secularity of justice in America? Or is it ok to use it if you are Christian, but wrong if you are of any other or no faith? Hang the bastard by all means, but don't do it because some shepherds on a hill 2000 years ao tell you to.

      ------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noises. " Steve Harris 2009

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      Tim Craig
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      Even more disturbing is that there where passages highlighted. By whom? For what purpose? Clearly the one cited was indicative of what they wanted to convey. I don't have a problem with the death penalty either but it's galling that they use their religion to justify the dealth penalty for one guy but then turn around and try to get convicted death row inmates off because they "found Jesus" in prison. Both cases in Texas.

      You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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        Convicted murderer to be put to death because of the bible. See Here[^] I am not defending the guy, nor am I saying that the death penalty is incorrect in this case. However, the rule of law should be proscribed by man, not by somebody's imaginary friend or by the characters in a work of fiction. If he is guilty, he must be punished, if the punishment is the death penalty, so be it, but the influence of this propaganda upon the weak minded jurors is wrong, and to be upheld by an officer of the state, ie the judge, who is supposed to be divorced from the religious element is clearly wrong. What happened to the secularity of justice in America? Or is it ok to use it if you are Christian, but wrong if you are of any other or no faith? Hang the bastard by all means, but don't do it because some shepherds on a hill 2000 years ao tell you to.

        ------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noises. " Steve Harris 2009

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        The whole jury system in America is really silly, designed to eliminate smart people and stock the ranks of the jury with gullible and easily-influenced people to make life-or-death decisions. That being said, I don't think them consulting a law book that's 3500 years out of date is all that big a deal as long as the sentence makes sense with the current laws. The defense always grasps at straws in order to keep the client from being executed, and "excessive influence by the Bible" is just one of those last straws. If the defense really cared about that, they would have eliminated all the religious people from the jury pool up front. It's incredibly easy to say that the jurors used a stupid method to come to their decision, but that's the way it usually works, anyway.

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          Convicted murderer to be put to death because of the bible. See Here[^] I am not defending the guy, nor am I saying that the death penalty is incorrect in this case. However, the rule of law should be proscribed by man, not by somebody's imaginary friend or by the characters in a work of fiction. If he is guilty, he must be punished, if the punishment is the death penalty, so be it, but the influence of this propaganda upon the weak minded jurors is wrong, and to be upheld by an officer of the state, ie the judge, who is supposed to be divorced from the religious element is clearly wrong. What happened to the secularity of justice in America? Or is it ok to use it if you are Christian, but wrong if you are of any other or no faith? Hang the bastard by all means, but don't do it because some shepherds on a hill 2000 years ao tell you to.

          ------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noises. " Steve Harris 2009

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          pelnor
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          How's that old saying go? "I'm about to be judged by 12 people who weren’t smart enough to get out of jury duty." Hmmm deep thoughts, might there be an inverse relationship between jury intelligence and prison population?

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            Convicted murderer to be put to death because of the bible. See Here[^] I am not defending the guy, nor am I saying that the death penalty is incorrect in this case. However, the rule of law should be proscribed by man, not by somebody's imaginary friend or by the characters in a work of fiction. If he is guilty, he must be punished, if the punishment is the death penalty, so be it, but the influence of this propaganda upon the weak minded jurors is wrong, and to be upheld by an officer of the state, ie the judge, who is supposed to be divorced from the religious element is clearly wrong. What happened to the secularity of justice in America? Or is it ok to use it if you are Christian, but wrong if you are of any other or no faith? Hang the bastard by all means, but don't do it because some shepherds on a hill 2000 years ao tell you to.

            ------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noises. " Steve Harris 2009

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            I agree, the sentencing should be decided based on the laws in the jurisdiction where the trial occurred. But beyond that...

            Dalek Dave wrote:

            somebody's imaginary friend or by the characters in a work of fiction.

            Dalek Dave wrote:

            propaganda upon the weak minded juror

            You appear to be a fool.

            Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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              I agree, the sentencing should be decided based on the laws in the jurisdiction where the trial occurred. But beyond that...

              Dalek Dave wrote:

              somebody's imaginary friend or by the characters in a work of fiction.

              Dalek Dave wrote:

              propaganda upon the weak minded juror

              You appear to be a fool.

              Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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              Gary Kirkham wrote:

              You appear to be a fool.

              Not to me, he doesn't. And I'll let it go at that. [edit] Classic. One votes for saying I don't think someone is a fool. One wouldn't have thought that was such an offensive statement. But since I'm getting the ones, I might as well enjoy it... Just the sort of hypocritical behavior I'd expect from self-righteous sh_itheads who believe their favorite 2000 year old work of fiction should define everyones lives. Talk a big game and behave like an asshole - that's a good christian. [/edit]

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                Gary Kirkham wrote:

                You appear to be a fool.

                Not to me, he doesn't. And I'll let it go at that. [edit] Classic. One votes for saying I don't think someone is a fool. One wouldn't have thought that was such an offensive statement. But since I'm getting the ones, I might as well enjoy it... Just the sort of hypocritical behavior I'd expect from self-righteous sh_itheads who believe their favorite 2000 year old work of fiction should define everyones lives. Talk a big game and behave like an asshole - that's a good christian. [/edit]

                modified on Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:58 PM

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                LunaticFringe wrote:

                Just the sort of hypocritical behavior I'd expect from self-righteous sh_itheads who believe their favorite 2000 year old work of fiction should define everyones lives. Talk a big game and behave like an a**hole - that's a good christian.

                Spot on, have a 5! :laugh:

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                  Gary Kirkham wrote:

                  You appear to be a fool.

                  Not to me, he doesn't. And I'll let it go at that. [edit] Classic. One votes for saying I don't think someone is a fool. One wouldn't have thought that was such an offensive statement. But since I'm getting the ones, I might as well enjoy it... Just the sort of hypocritical behavior I'd expect from self-righteous sh_itheads who believe their favorite 2000 year old work of fiction should define everyones lives. Talk a big game and behave like an asshole - that's a good christian. [/edit]

                  modified on Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:58 PM

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                  Dalek Dave
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                  5, but it doesn't seem to be enough to de-gray you! :(

                  ------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noises. " Steve Harris 2009

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                    Even more disturbing is that there where passages highlighted. By whom? For what purpose? Clearly the one cited was indicative of what they wanted to convey. I don't have a problem with the death penalty either but it's galling that they use their religion to justify the dealth penalty for one guy but then turn around and try to get convicted death row inmates off because they "found Jesus" in prison. Both cases in Texas.

                    You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                    hairy_hats
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                    Tim Craig wrote:

                    they "found Jesus" in prison

                    What was he in there for?

                    I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine

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                    • G Gary Kirkham

                      I agree, the sentencing should be decided based on the laws in the jurisdiction where the trial occurred. But beyond that...

                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                      somebody's imaginary friend or by the characters in a work of fiction.

                      Dalek Dave wrote:

                      propaganda upon the weak minded juror

                      You appear to be a fool.

                      Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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                      Dave is not a fool. Sometimes too drunk to type straight, but never a fool.

                      I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine

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                        Tim Craig wrote:

                        they "found Jesus" in prison

                        What was he in there for?

                        I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine

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                        Dalek Dave
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                        Tax Avoidance and Rebellion?

                        ------------------------------------ To eat well in England, you should have a breakfast three times a day. W. Somerset Maugham 1925

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                          Dave is not a fool. Sometimes too drunk to type straight, but never a fool.

                          I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine

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                          Dalek Dave
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                          Steve_Harris wrote:

                          Dave is not a fool. Sometimes too drunk to type straight, but never a fool.

                          Looks like a contender for my Sig of the week! :)

                          ------------------------------------ To eat well in England, you should have a breakfast three times a day. W. Somerset Maugham 1925

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                            Dave is not a fool. Sometimes too drunk to type straight, but never a fool.

                            I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine

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                            Gary Kirkham
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                            Steve_Harris wrote:

                            Dave is not a fool.

                            Didn't say he was, just that he appeared to be. But if nothing else were said, this

                            Steve_Harris wrote:

                            Sometimes too drunk to type straight

                            is enough to support my observation.

                            Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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                              Steve_Harris wrote:

                              Dave is not a fool.

                              Didn't say he was, just that he appeared to be. But if nothing else were said, this

                              Steve_Harris wrote:

                              Sometimes too drunk to type straight

                              is enough to support my observation.

                              Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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                              Dalek Dave
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                              Gary Kirkham wrote:

                              Steve_Harris wrote: Sometimes too drunk to type straight is enough to support my observation.

                              Not during the working day, only after hours.

                              ------------------------------------ To eat well in England, you should have a breakfast three times a day. W. Somerset Maugham 1925

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                                Gary Kirkham wrote:

                                You appear to be a fool.

                                Not to me, he doesn't. And I'll let it go at that. [edit] Classic. One votes for saying I don't think someone is a fool. One wouldn't have thought that was such an offensive statement. But since I'm getting the ones, I might as well enjoy it... Just the sort of hypocritical behavior I'd expect from self-righteous sh_itheads who believe their favorite 2000 year old work of fiction should define everyones lives. Talk a big game and behave like an asshole - that's a good christian. [/edit]

                                modified on Sunday, October 18, 2009 4:58 PM

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                                Gary Kirkham
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                                You suppose I voted you a 1?

                                LunaticFringe wrote:

                                Classic. One votes for saying I don't think someone is a fool. One wouldn't have thought that was such an offensive statement. But since I'm getting the ones, I might as well enjoy it... Just the sort of hypocritical behavior I'd expect from self-righteous sh_itheads who believe their favorite 2000 year old work of fiction should define everyones lives. Talk a big game and behave like an a**hole - that's a good christian.

                                Bla de bla de bla bla bla Whose post is gray and whose is not? You appear to have a significant amount of emotional investment in what someone votes for your posts. Why do you let people have that much control over you?

                                LunaticFringe wrote:

                                2000 year old work of fiction

                                You appear to be foolish as well.

                                Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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                                  You suppose I voted you a 1?

                                  LunaticFringe wrote:

                                  Classic. One votes for saying I don't think someone is a fool. One wouldn't have thought that was such an offensive statement. But since I'm getting the ones, I might as well enjoy it... Just the sort of hypocritical behavior I'd expect from self-righteous sh_itheads who believe their favorite 2000 year old work of fiction should define everyones lives. Talk a big game and behave like an a**hole - that's a good christian.

                                  Bla de bla de bla bla bla Whose post is gray and whose is not? You appear to have a significant amount of emotional investment in what someone votes for your posts. Why do you let people have that much control over you?

                                  LunaticFringe wrote:

                                  2000 year old work of fiction

                                  You appear to be foolish as well.

                                  Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit The men said to them, "Why do you seek the living One among the dead? He is not here, but He has risen." Me blog, You read

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                                  Dalek Dave
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                                  Gary Kirkham wrote:

                                  LunaticFringe wrote: 2000 year old work of fiction You appear to be foolish as well.

                                  You are claiming it as FACT?

                                  ------------------------------------ To eat well in England, you should have a breakfast three times a day. W. Somerset Maugham 1925

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                                  • H hairy_hats

                                    Tim Craig wrote:

                                    they "found Jesus" in prison

                                    What was he in there for?

                                    I hope you realise that hamsters are very creative when it comes to revenge. - Elaine

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                                    Tim Craig
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                                    Steve_Harris wrote:

                                    What was he in there for?

                                    Impersonating a diety? His Noodleness wasn't happy.

                                    You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.

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                                      Convicted murderer to be put to death because of the bible. See Here[^] I am not defending the guy, nor am I saying that the death penalty is incorrect in this case. However, the rule of law should be proscribed by man, not by somebody's imaginary friend or by the characters in a work of fiction. If he is guilty, he must be punished, if the punishment is the death penalty, so be it, but the influence of this propaganda upon the weak minded jurors is wrong, and to be upheld by an officer of the state, ie the judge, who is supposed to be divorced from the religious element is clearly wrong. What happened to the secularity of justice in America? Or is it ok to use it if you are Christian, but wrong if you are of any other or no faith? Hang the bastard by all means, but don't do it because some shepherds on a hill 2000 years ao tell you to.

                                      ------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noises. " Steve Harris 2009

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                                      Couldn't agree with you more. Religion should have no place in politics or law. +5

                                      "People who don't like their beliefs being laughed at shouldn't have such funny beliefs." - Anon Currently reading: "The Greatest Show on Earth" by Richard Dawkins Currently watching: You. Do some work and stop pissing about.

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                                        5, but it doesn't seem to be enough to de-gray you! :(

                                        ------------------------------------ "I'm going to walk around a field dangling my keys on a bit of string until I hear whistling noises. " Steve Harris 2009

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                                        Gray is a subjective experience (i.e., each user sets a threshold of what posts appear gray). What's gray to you may be blue to me. This is the "noise threshold" dropdown above forums.

                                        Visual Studio is an excellent GUIIDE.

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