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Thank you for the link, which it true the msdn documentation, which is wrong that it contain NOTHING about changing or setting a multiple days with different back color. Mr. EliottA I am man who respect his words, and I want to put an end to this (with you in specific) I said "d@nish" insult Rabih with his answer. You Defend on it. You argument was "read the msdn documentation" which also failed because it is not mentioned there. You argument also was Rabih did not make any search on the subject. which is also failed because there is NONE I challenge you Mr. EliottA to find an easy answer to solve Rabih days backcoloring problem. easy means not re-creating the control and add some property or complex method in it. as you mentioned to him, reading msdn or any other documentation. Do that, and you will prove to (me) that his question is stupid and simple and should not been asked. If you could not manage to do it, then all what I said is true. I trust Dave Kreskowiak, I can send him 50$ in advance if you managed to prove what I asked from you. and I accept Dave to be ruler on this matter. (in case Dave don't mind) Tell me if 50$ suits you. (while I was writing this message, I got a response from d@nish. Which I understand from him hr was not meaning to insult but he did not see the question in specif) My offer is still on.
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Samir Ibrahim wrote:
but he did not see the question in specif
I had read what OP has asked and thus replied.
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d@nish wrote:
I had read what OP has asked and thus replied.
I know, I am pointing out that you did not mean "insult" in your response as a matter if knowing the specific problem he want to solve. Come on, I am in your side now ;P :laugh: Please read my other (comming) -hope today- response to you.
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No thanks, I charge more then that for work. Try rentacoder though, I hear they do work pretty cheap.
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EliottA wrote:
Try rentacoder though
No Thanks, Already problem solved by downloading 2 control from code project (FREE) :) [http://www.codeproject.com/KB/selection/MPK\_Calendar.aspx http://www.codeproject.com/KB/selection/MonthCalendar.aspx](http://www.codeproject.com/KB/selection/MPK_Calendar.aspx
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Samir Ibrahim wrote:
again, try what? doing it him self?
Would the response have really changed if d@nish's response was "What have you tried?" Somehow, I doubt it.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
if someone ask simple/stupid question "How I declare integer variable" and he got 10 response, here the result. 1 person : search the help file 1 person : purchase a book 8 persons : will answer showing him all the possibilities in creating an integer variable.
Here, it would have been the same kind of responses, but leaning more towards buying a book. Why? Because there's a lot more to declaring a variable to hold an Integer other than
Dim x As Integer. There's also scope and visibility issues to consider. All of that discuss would take an entire chapter in a book. So, yes, buying a book and learing the basics of the language would be a better answer thanDim x As Integer.A guide to posting questions on CodeProject[^]
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Would the response have really changed if d@nish's response was "What have you tried?"
absulotely 100% I don't know if you was following my posts in this thread when I said "being smartass and a**hole" is helpful sometimes, that was not a joke. This is how I became. Now, to show the you the difference/confusion and (why I accused d@nish response is insult. If someone post a question "how to set a value to textbox", I swear I will make fun of him with all my power until he stop asking those kind of question. but let me reverse the question, - Rabih ask how to change multiple days backcoloring - d@nish asnswer, Did you try it your self? As if this multiple backcoloring system ability is obvious/noticable property and every one should know it (WHICH IS NOT), in case that was true, I am 100% with d@nish response (whatever it was) because we did not see it. (but that was not the case) now my reverse Question Did d@nish try it? Did he put that 2 controls on a form and try to achieve that (in simple way) before he ask his question? because if he do, he will know that this property is not there. since he did not test, (in my opinion) he should not response with such an answer) So (my first impression) he is making fun and he has no right since he did not test it him self. When you answer "Did you try it" or "Check the help file" the answer supposed to be obvious AND the person who answer SHOULD know that the answer exist in "TESTING" or "READING" the help file. If d@nish answer was "What have you tried?" yes, it will make a difference, because this answer will show that either this question has no specific question in it, and d@nish did not understand in specific the problem and he willing to help when he knows. but pointing Rabih to try it by him self and the solution is not there??I guess that is wrong. What you call that?
Like car accidents, most hardware problems are due to driver error. Samir R. Ibrahim
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Samir Ibrahim wrote:
again, try what? doing it him self?
Would the response have really changed if d@nish's response was "What have you tried?" Somehow, I doubt it.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
if someone ask simple/stupid question "How I declare integer variable" and he got 10 response, here the result. 1 person : search the help file 1 person : purchase a book 8 persons : will answer showing him all the possibilities in creating an integer variable.
Here, it would have been the same kind of responses, but leaning more towards buying a book. Why? Because there's a lot more to declaring a variable to hold an Integer other than
Dim x As Integer. There's also scope and visibility issues to consider. All of that discuss would take an entire chapter in a book. So, yes, buying a book and learing the basics of the language would be a better answer thanDim x As Integer.A guide to posting questions on CodeProject[^]
Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP Visual Developer - Visual Basic
2006, 2007, 2008
But no longer in 2009...Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Would the response have really changed if d@nish's response was "What have you tried?" Somehow, I doubt it.
this is the only thing that captured me other then the others raging to make danish image look great. Just to make sure i put this in the right perspective. people like danich think they are answering school students & i will not take that behavior from him. i am a professional just like him (supposedly). if he asked what have you tried i will tell him: 1) i read local msdn help 2) i browsed Google from its result pages 1 to page 7 3) i asked couple of my friends, people at work if they have any idea. 4) i asked this on msdn 5) then in the end i asked here on codeproject anyway i got my answer on MSDN, SADLY the answers were here on codeproject but my search in google did not reveal them. Best Regards.
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Would the response have really changed if d@nish's response was "What have you tried?"
absulotely 100% I don't know if you was following my posts in this thread when I said "being smartass and a**hole" is helpful sometimes, that was not a joke. This is how I became. Now, to show the you the difference/confusion and (why I accused d@nish response is insult. If someone post a question "how to set a value to textbox", I swear I will make fun of him with all my power until he stop asking those kind of question. but let me reverse the question, - Rabih ask how to change multiple days backcoloring - d@nish asnswer, Did you try it your self? As if this multiple backcoloring system ability is obvious/noticable property and every one should know it (WHICH IS NOT), in case that was true, I am 100% with d@nish response (whatever it was) because we did not see it. (but that was not the case) now my reverse Question Did d@nish try it? Did he put that 2 controls on a form and try to achieve that (in simple way) before he ask his question? because if he do, he will know that this property is not there. since he did not test, (in my opinion) he should not response with such an answer) So (my first impression) he is making fun and he has no right since he did not test it him self. When you answer "Did you try it" or "Check the help file" the answer supposed to be obvious AND the person who answer SHOULD know that the answer exist in "TESTING" or "READING" the help file. If d@nish answer was "What have you tried?" yes, it will make a difference, because this answer will show that either this question has no specific question in it, and d@nish did not understand in specific the problem and he willing to help when he knows. but pointing Rabih to try it by him self and the solution is not there??I guess that is wrong. What you call that?
Like car accidents, most hardware problems are due to driver error. Samir R. Ibrahim
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
Did he put that 2 controls on a form and try to achieve that (in simple way) before he ask his question?
Why should I? This ain't my job.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
because if he do, he will know that this property is not there
I knew that. He knew needed a customized control or needs to paint things himself. But, I do not believe in spoon feeding. If you are working in any programming language, you are bound to face challenges. And instead of trying something (no matter how incorrect it is) if you just seek for a ready made solution, you are wrong (IMHO) (And that too without taking pains to search the solution).
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
When you answer "Did you try it" or "Check the help file" the answer supposed to be obvious AND the person who answer SHOULD know that the answer exist in "TESTING" or "READING" the help file.
No. These are two very different replies. One just means did even gave a shot? Second means the thing is quite obvious and can be found quite easily.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
but pointing Rabih to try it by him self and the solution is not there??
It is. And the language I had used was IMO related to the way OP had asked. It was something like: Q. Will X do Y when I put Z in it? A. Why not try yourself?
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Would the response have really changed if d@nish's response was "What have you tried?" Somehow, I doubt it.
this is the only thing that captured me other then the others raging to make danish image look great. Just to make sure i put this in the right perspective. people like danich think they are answering school students & i will not take that behavior from him. i am a professional just like him (supposedly). if he asked what have you tried i will tell him: 1) i read local msdn help 2) i browsed Google from its result pages 1 to page 7 3) i asked couple of my friends, people at work if they have any idea. 4) i asked this on msdn 5) then in the end i asked here on codeproject anyway i got my answer on MSDN, SADLY the answers were here on codeproject but my search in google did not reveal them. Best Regards.
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rabih.tawil wrote:
people like danich think they are answering school students & i will not take that behavior from him.
You are drawing conclusions way too early. I don't have anything against you or anyone. If you feel my reply was because I thought you are a student, you are plain wrong. Sorry but that is truth.
rabih.tawil wrote:
if he asked what have you tried i will tell him: 1) i read local msdn help 2) i browsed Google from its result pages 1 to page 7 3) i asked couple of my friends, people at work if they have any idea. 4) i asked this on msdn 5) then in the end i asked here on codeproject
Had you told this in the first post and then even mentioned: 1. what you found 2. how you customized what you found as per your needs 3. And, where is that failing 4. All this, keeping in mind you don't post a gigantic post. Wouldn't this have made your post a better one?
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Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Would the response have really changed if d@nish's response was "What have you tried?" Somehow, I doubt it.
this is the only thing that captured me other then the others raging to make danish image look great. Just to make sure i put this in the right perspective. people like danich think they are answering school students & i will not take that behavior from him. i am a professional just like him (supposedly). if he asked what have you tried i will tell him: 1) i read local msdn help 2) i browsed Google from its result pages 1 to page 7 3) i asked couple of my friends, people at work if they have any idea. 4) i asked this on msdn 5) then in the end i asked here on codeproject anyway i got my answer on MSDN, SADLY the answers were here on codeproject but my search in google did not reveal them. Best Regards.
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rabih.tawil wrote:
people like danich think they are answering school students & i will not take that behavior from him.
Since development work started getting outsource to the Middle East countries, especially India, there has been a huge rise in those very people asking all kinds of questions that a beginning student or very inexperienced programmer would ask. The typical level of detail when someone from that region asks a question is extremely low. There is usually no explanation of anything that was tried, nor any code snippets and a complete lack of knowledge on how to do research, like using Google or Yahoo. Your origianl post came very close to those specifications, and if there is anything we hate is someone who will not help themselves. I'd say most of the time the questions ARE coming from students, or newbies trying to make "easy" money, who have no idea what they're doing.
rabih.tawil wrote:
if he asked what have you tried i will tell him: 1) i read local msdn help 2) i browsed Google from its result pages 1 to page 7 3) i asked couple of my friends, people at work if they have any idea. 4) i asked this on msdn 5) then in the end i asked here on codeproject
If you would have put all of this in your original I guarantee none of this thread whould have happened.
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rabih.tawil wrote:
people like danich think they are answering school students & i will not take that behavior from him.
Since development work started getting outsource to the Middle East countries, especially India, there has been a huge rise in those very people asking all kinds of questions that a beginning student or very inexperienced programmer would ask. The typical level of detail when someone from that region asks a question is extremely low. There is usually no explanation of anything that was tried, nor any code snippets and a complete lack of knowledge on how to do research, like using Google or Yahoo. Your origianl post came very close to those specifications, and if there is anything we hate is someone who will not help themselves. I'd say most of the time the questions ARE coming from students, or newbies trying to make "easy" money, who have no idea what they're doing.
rabih.tawil wrote:
if he asked what have you tried i will tell him: 1) i read local msdn help 2) i browsed Google from its result pages 1 to page 7 3) i asked couple of my friends, people at work if they have any idea. 4) i asked this on msdn 5) then in the end i asked here on codeproject
If you would have put all of this in your original I guarantee none of this thread whould have happened.
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2006, 2007, 2008
But no longer in 2009...ME providing a link in the original thread implies that i was searching for something but could not find it, if you want to go there, most of the VB results were related to ASP & it was custom table with cells that the users created themselves.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
If you would have put all of this in your original I guarantee none of this thread whould have happened.
I don't think that each user should put his whole day experience so that it shows that he is serious or NO.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Since development work started getting outsource to the Middle East countries, especially India,
India is not in the middle east ;P it's in the far east :)
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Since development work started getting outsource to the Middle East countries, especially India, there has been a huge rise in those very people asking all kinds of questions that a beginning student or very inexperienced programmer would ask.
just Note down that India has more HONOR KIDS then United states has KIDS. That does not mean that people in the far east are retarded & don't know how to do research, stupidity has no origin, i will show you dozens from people here in the states who ask stupid questions in forums.
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Samir Ibrahim wrote:
Did he put that 2 controls on a form and try to achieve that (in simple way) before he ask his question?
Why should I? This ain't my job.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
because if he do, he will know that this property is not there
I knew that. He knew needed a customized control or needs to paint things himself. But, I do not believe in spoon feeding. If you are working in any programming language, you are bound to face challenges. And instead of trying something (no matter how incorrect it is) if you just seek for a ready made solution, you are wrong (IMHO) (And that too without taking pains to search the solution).
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
When you answer "Did you try it" or "Check the help file" the answer supposed to be obvious AND the person who answer SHOULD know that the answer exist in "TESTING" or "READING" the help file.
No. These are two very different replies. One just means did even gave a shot? Second means the thing is quite obvious and can be found quite easily.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
but pointing Rabih to try it by him self and the solution is not there??
It is. And the language I had used was IMO related to the way OP had asked. It was something like: Q. Will X do Y when I put Z in it? A. Why not try yourself?
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
d@nish wrote:
Samir Ibrahim wrote: Did he put that 2 controls on a form and try to achieve that (in simple way) before he ask his question? Why should I? This ain't my job.
YESS, THAT IS YOUR JOB. When someone ask a question (in any forum) he is expecting to see an answer from expert, the expert answer should be correct. and your answer to him (althought i am now convinced it has no insult in it) is WRONG. <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA"> d@nish wrote:</div>And instead of trying something (no matter how incorrect it is) if you just seek for a ready made solution, you are wrong (IMHO) (And that too without taking pains to search the solution).</blockquote> I am a vb programmer working as freelancer and I have 5 projects right now, so if one in my project I see a control that maybe usefull to any of application, should I re-create it AGAIAN? I would say you are TOTALLY wrong again. I will not re-create the wheel since someone (thankfully) has invent it before me, so I will use the wheel and adust it to my needs. if i am searching for something and someone did it, should I NOT use it? I don't think so. Do you have projects or working in a company? Do you want to convince me that you did not install & use already made controls or activex created by others? if your answer is yes, God be with you. <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA"> d@nish wrote:</div>It is. And the language I had used was IMO related to the way OP had asked. It was something like: Q. Will X do Y when I put Z in it? A. Why not try yourself? </blockquote> I will say again, your answer does not have the solution. It is not the Trial neither in the documentation. and I can bet that you don't even know the answer or mis-read the questiom.
Like car accidents, most hardware problems are due to driver error. Samir R. Ibrahim
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ME providing a link in the original thread implies that i was searching for something but could not find it, if you want to go there, most of the VB results were related to ASP & it was custom table with cells that the users created themselves.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
If you would have put all of this in your original I guarantee none of this thread whould have happened.
I don't think that each user should put his whole day experience so that it shows that he is serious or NO.
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Since development work started getting outsource to the Middle East countries, especially India,
India is not in the middle east ;P it's in the far east :)
Dave Kreskowiak wrote:
Since development work started getting outsource to the Middle East countries, especially India, there has been a huge rise in those very people asking all kinds of questions that a beginning student or very inexperienced programmer would ask.
just Note down that India has more HONOR KIDS then United states has KIDS. That does not mean that people in the far east are retarded & don't know how to do research, stupidity has no origin, i will show you dozens from people here in the states who ask stupid questions in forums.
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rabih.tawil wrote:
I don't think that each user should put his whole day experience so that it shows that he is serious or NO.
That's not what I said. You have to show what you've tried, looked, whatever, so 1) we know your actually helping yourself instead of wanting someone else to do your research for you and 2) so we don't throw you back at the same resources you already tried.
rabih.tawil wrote:
India is not in the middle east it's in the far east
Splitting hairs? Sorry, I had to try and keep all of post brief brief. It's hard to type a complete sentance with a 17 month old in your lap whose dying to get at the keyboard.
rabih.tawil wrote:
just Note down that India has more HONOR KIDS then United states has KIDS.
Like I give a rats ass. Most of people posting questions around here don't have a clue how to do research. Call them whatever you want, but without the ability to do research and teach yourself what you need to know when you need to know it, you don't have any hope of surviving in IT, let alone software development.
rabih.tawil wrote:
That does not mean that people in the far east are retarded & don't know how to do research,
That's not what I said. I said around here, meaing Code Project, that there was a huge rise, in the last few years, in people who don't have a clue how to do research, and most of those people come from the "East". I know there are a ton of people around The States that can't do it either, they're just not coming to the Code Project.
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d@nish wrote:
Samir Ibrahim wrote: Did he put that 2 controls on a form and try to achieve that (in simple way) before he ask his question? Why should I? This ain't my job.
YESS, THAT IS YOUR JOB. When someone ask a question (in any forum) he is expecting to see an answer from expert, the expert answer should be correct. and your answer to him (althought i am now convinced it has no insult in it) is WRONG. <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA"> d@nish wrote:</div>And instead of trying something (no matter how incorrect it is) if you just seek for a ready made solution, you are wrong (IMHO) (And that too without taking pains to search the solution).</blockquote> I am a vb programmer working as freelancer and I have 5 projects right now, so if one in my project I see a control that maybe usefull to any of application, should I re-create it AGAIAN? I would say you are TOTALLY wrong again. I will not re-create the wheel since someone (thankfully) has invent it before me, so I will use the wheel and adust it to my needs. if i am searching for something and someone did it, should I NOT use it? I don't think so. Do you have projects or working in a company? Do you want to convince me that you did not install & use already made controls or activex created by others? if your answer is yes, God be with you. <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA"> d@nish wrote:</div>It is. And the language I had used was IMO related to the way OP had asked. It was something like: Q. Will X do Y when I put Z in it? A. Why not try yourself? </blockquote> I will say again, your answer does not have the solution. It is not the Trial neither in the documentation. and I can bet that you don't even know the answer or mis-read the questiom.
Like car accidents, most hardware problems are due to driver error. Samir R. Ibrahim
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
YESS, THAT IS YOUR JOB.
Do you even remotely understand what a job is? Everyone here help others for they wish to do so.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
I am a vb programmer working as freelancer and I have 5 projects right now, so if one in my project I see a control that maybe usefull to any of application, should I re-create it AGAIAN?
You just did not got my point.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
Do you have projects or working in a company? Do you want to convince me that you did not install & use already made controls or activex created by others?
Most of the programmers use controls/products/libraries made by others. Hence, the answer has to be yes.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
I can bet that you don't even know the answer or mis-read the questiom.
:zzz:
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
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Samir Ibrahim wrote:
YESS, THAT IS YOUR JOB.
Do you even remotely understand what a job is? Everyone here help others for they wish to do so.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
I am a vb programmer working as freelancer and I have 5 projects right now, so if one in my project I see a control that maybe usefull to any of application, should I re-create it AGAIAN?
You just did not got my point.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
Do you have projects or working in a company? Do you want to convince me that you did not install & use already made controls or activex created by others?
Most of the programmers use controls/products/libraries made by others. Hence, the answer has to be yes.
Samir Ibrahim wrote:
I can bet that you don't even know the answer or mis-read the questiom.
:zzz:
It's not necessary to be so stupid, either, but people manage it. - Christian Graus, 2009 AD
If you are (untill now) still finding your answer is (helpfull, and you correctly read the question, and correctly give an answer) then be sure we have a big problem of understanding each other and we will never meet in a middle point of understanding. Let us keep away from each other, and ended here. If I had learned something from being a member in this forum in the past, it is, - I will NEVER post a question in here (although, I am sure that this forum can put msdn forum in there small pocket) - but, I may post an answer. Like now, I had a question in my mind and I don't know if it aplicable, (untill writing this sentence I didnot make any kind of research on it) and I have no clue about it. If I still in my current situation (did not make research) I am afraid of asking it in here. because I can imagine the response I will get, but i am not afraid of asking this question is Daniweb or msdn or vbcity. Such a decesion in not only because of your kind of response, but because you are getting courage from your collegue to doing it. The problem is not in you personally. The problem is in the psycological thinking of people in here. I wish you the best in your career.
Like car accidents, most hardware problems are due to driver error. Samir R. Ibrahim
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If you are (untill now) still finding your answer is (helpfull, and you correctly read the question, and correctly give an answer) then be sure we have a big problem of understanding each other and we will never meet in a middle point of understanding. Let us keep away from each other, and ended here. If I had learned something from being a member in this forum in the past, it is, - I will NEVER post a question in here (although, I am sure that this forum can put msdn forum in there small pocket) - but, I may post an answer. Like now, I had a question in my mind and I don't know if it aplicable, (untill writing this sentence I didnot make any kind of research on it) and I have no clue about it. If I still in my current situation (did not make research) I am afraid of asking it in here. because I can imagine the response I will get, but i am not afraid of asking this question is Daniweb or msdn or vbcity. Such a decesion in not only because of your kind of response, but because you are getting courage from your collegue to doing it. The problem is not in you personally. The problem is in the psycological thinking of people in here. I wish you the best in your career.
Like car accidents, most hardware problems are due to driver error. Samir R. Ibrahim
You're still being a tool in this thread? NO ONE HERE is PAID to help, that is the definition of a job. No one here has any OBLIGATION at all. You're wrong, stop arguing.
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