The truth always outs
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But, has this truth[^] come out in time? By the way, anyone who is actually shocked at what Melanie Phillips is discussing simply hasn't been paying attention (likely refused to). MailOnline: 'Dishonest' Blair and Straw accused over secret plan for multicultural UK[^]
Does anyone know exactly what it is that scares the bejesus out of conservatives when you say the word multicultural? The only possibly relevant point is the overcrowding and unsustainable growth, only, those are touched on less than the 'lying government is gonna take our culture' angle which I'm so familiar with here in the states.
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Ilíon wrote:
intellectually dishonest
Yawn...rolling that old chestnut out again are we....how predictable
C# has already designed away most of the tedium of C++.
RichardGrimmer wrote:
Yawn...rolling that old chestnut out again are we....how predictable
Duuude! Even some of the new folks are catching on (all by themselves) that Mr Graus is a hypocrite! Tell you what? Why don't you kiddies do something unexpected? You know, like stopping being intellectually dishonest? If you stop being dishonest, then I'd have no call to point it out, would I?
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There is of course, by your own argument no such thing as liberals. Oh and if your not prepared to talk to people using the recognised and well understood terms of conversation and identification of the social structures that human societies use you should go sit in the corner with the dunces hat on until you're prepared to talk in grown ups language.
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Does anyone know exactly what it is that scares the bejesus out of conservatives when you say the word multicultural? The only possibly relevant point is the overcrowding and unsustainable growth, only, those are touched on less than the 'lying government is gonna take our culture' angle which I'm so familiar with here in the states.
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Distind wrote:
Does anyone know exactly what it is that scares the bejesus out of conservatives when you say the word multicultural?
Does anyone know exactly what it is that that makes "liberals" so comfortable with their heads in the sand?
Ilíon wrote:
Does anyone know exactly what it is that that makes "liberals" so comfortable with their heads in the sand?
Sand? I'm well aware it's there, and generally see it as an acknowledgment of the reality that there isn't a single culture which you can really apply to an entire nation. Perhaps I find it so obvious because it's so pronounced around here, but to assume that there's a 'national culture' is such a weak notion it actually amuses me. Cling to that nationalism, it'll... well, all it's accomplished in the past was war, here's to hoping it fails this time.
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Christian Graus wrote:
The amazing thing is that conspiracy nuts can see patterns where they don't exist.
The *really* amazing thing is that intellectually dishonest hypocrites like you use that as the excuse for refusing to see the patterns that are there.
The human brain likes to find patterns, even where none exist. There are patterns of human behaviour, sure, but that doesn't in any way prove a pattern of *control* or a *plan*, or anything else more sinister than people working for their own agendas.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
Yawn...rolling that old chestnut out again are we....how predictable
Duuude! Even some of the new folks are catching on (all by themselves) that Mr Graus is a hypocrite! Tell you what? Why don't you kiddies do something unexpected? You know, like stopping being intellectually dishonest? If you stop being dishonest, then I'd have no call to point it out, would I?
Ilíon wrote:
Duuude! Even some of the new folks are catching on (all by themselves) that Mr Graus is a hypocrite!
ROTFL !!!! What new people ? Where ? What have you been smoking ?
Ilíon wrote:
You know, like stopping being intellectually dishonest?
This is the drivel that you spout. You've never given this term a meaningful definition, which is why you're free to keep using it, and pretending that it means something.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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There is no such thing as 'business,' just as there is no such thing as 'the government' (or 'society,' for that matter). These are abstractions, they're imaginary persons/actors. It isn't "business" (by which is generally mean *all* businessmen) which is for importing ceap labor, it is *some* businessmen (and these individualstend to be socially and politically "liberal"). And, it isn't "the government" -- that faceless entity which allows decision-makers to avoid proper credit for their decisions -- which is for replacing the people of the weatern nations with "multicultural" aliens (and concurrently teaching those aliens to remain forever alien), it is *some* politicians and bureaucrats and think-tankers and academics and other such who know that they are the annointed elite (and these individuals tend to be socially and politically "liberal"). The problem isn't so much the aliens being imported, it's the "liberals" who wish to destroy our societies, and it's the willfully blind persons who refuse to see what is going on.
Ilíon wrote:
it's the "liberals" who wish to destroy our societies
CSS has his imaginary boogey men, and I guess you have yours, too. But, business and government are real, they exist as ways to group human endeavours that are quite different from one another. Of course, not ALL businessmen import cheap labour, but the ones that do, are not trying to destroy society, they are trying to compete.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
Yawn...rolling that old chestnut out again are we....how predictable
Duuude! Even some of the new folks are catching on (all by themselves) that Mr Graus is a hypocrite! Tell you what? Why don't you kiddies do something unexpected? You know, like stopping being intellectually dishonest? If you stop being dishonest, then I'd have no call to point it out, would I?
The deindustrialization, deconstruction, and depopulation of America is CG's wet-dream.
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The deindustrialization, deconstruction, and depopulation of America is CG's wet-dream.
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Distind wrote:
Does anyone know exactly what it is that scares the bejesus out of conservatives when you say the word multicultural?
Does anyone know exactly what it is that that makes "liberals" so comfortable with their heads in the sand?
Ilíon wrote:
Does anyone know exactly what it is that that makes "liberals" so comfortable with their heads in the sand?
As a liberal/conservative I would say it's very uncomfortable with one's head in the sand. But as to your main point - what was your point again?
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The deindustrialization, deconstruction, and depopulation of America is CG's wet-dream.
Assuming this was true, and not just an ignorant lie perpetuated by an illiterate, how would that change anything ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Assuming this was true, and not just an ignorant lie perpetuated by an illiterate, how would that change anything ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Assuming this was true... ...how would that change anything ?
Personally, I'm going to start digging my shelter tonight. This time he's put the fear into me. International conspiracies, flu pandemics... meh. But this one is different. :-D [edit] Hey, will collaborators get preferential treatment? If so, I'd like to sign up now. :-D [/edit]
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Ilíon wrote:
Does anyone know exactly what it is that that makes "liberals" so comfortable with their heads in the sand?
As a liberal/conservative I would say it's very uncomfortable with one's head in the sand. But as to your main point - what was your point again?
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
But as to your main point - what was your point again?
That there's nothing like shouting 'LIBEERRAAAL!' when you're called on utter bullshit as far as I can tell. Run into it a lot, never had someone actually respond to the point that there is no single national culture, that the entire idea is based off the assumption that everyone else in the nation is exactly like you or is such a small part of the population they don't matter, which is inevitably wrong as there really isn't a majority of people, just a majority of those who have secured power and don't want to let anyone else have it. It's fun watching them slowly fail and start flailing around and blaming liberals.