UK Drug advisor tells the truth and then loses his job.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
He told the truth using science to back up his statements and gets fired for it.
Yes he told the truth as he saw it, but in actuality all he did was give an opinion, which was not universally shared. He got fired because the government's opinion now is that his opinion then was wrong.
His opinion is base on science, it is not universally shared because of all the propaganda from governments. Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy. You can die simply from drinking too much alcohol. A few number of people do die from this every year. Pot has never killed anyone. Also, cigarettes are far more addicting and deadly. The government wants someone who will basically lie for them. They want a PR person, not a scientist. It is a joke.
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His opinion is base on science, it is not universally shared because of all the propaganda from governments. Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy. You can die simply from drinking too much alcohol. A few number of people do die from this every year. Pot has never killed anyone. Also, cigarettes are far more addicting and deadly. The government wants someone who will basically lie for them. They want a PR person, not a scientist. It is a joke.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
His opinion is base on science
I don't dispute that.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy.
There have been a number of young people in the UK who have died from taking ecstasy. The conclusions were al based on scientific evidence.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Pot has never killed anyone.
No evidence exists for this.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Also, cigarettes are far more addicting and deadly.
I attended a presentation some years ago on the results of a 20-year scientific study into marijuana smoking. The study revealed that it had worse side effects than tobacco and the effects lasted much longer after a regular smoker had given up. So you see there is more than one body of evidence still based on science. Everyone chooses to believe the bit they think more likely.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
His opinion is base on science
I don't dispute that.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy.
There have been a number of young people in the UK who have died from taking ecstasy. The conclusions were al based on scientific evidence.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Pot has never killed anyone.
No evidence exists for this.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Also, cigarettes are far more addicting and deadly.
I attended a presentation some years ago on the results of a 20-year scientific study into marijuana smoking. The study revealed that it had worse side effects than tobacco and the effects lasted much longer after a regular smoker had given up. So you see there is more than one body of evidence still based on science. Everyone chooses to believe the bit they think more likely.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
I attended a presentation some years ago on the results of a 20-year scientific study into marijuana smoking. The study revealed that it had worse side effects than tobacco and the effects lasted much longer after a regular smoker had given up.
What side effects are you talking about? I call bullshit. If you drink too much you'll get physically sick and could die. No matter how high you get you are going to wake up fine the next morning. If you drink too much, you'll feel like you were run over by train. I'm not saying pot is completely harmless. If you have mental problems you probably shouldn't use it. It is a psychoactive drug. But responsible pot use, is far safer than alcohol or cigarettes. Alcohol is very dangerous compared to pot and cigarettes are almost as addictive as heroine. Pot (which I have tried) and ecstasy (which I have not tried) are clearly safer than alcohol and less addictive than cigarettes. This is a fact. Check out this graph Either way, it should be up to you and me to decide what drugs, if any, we want to use. It should not be the job of government to decide what is OK for you to consume in your own home. Responsible drug use should not be a crime and that's the bottom line in all of this.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
I attended a presentation some years ago on the results of a 20-year scientific study into marijuana smoking. The study revealed that it had worse side effects than tobacco and the effects lasted much longer after a regular smoker had given up.
What side effects are you talking about? I call bullshit. If you drink too much you'll get physically sick and could die. No matter how high you get you are going to wake up fine the next morning. If you drink too much, you'll feel like you were run over by train. I'm not saying pot is completely harmless. If you have mental problems you probably shouldn't use it. It is a psychoactive drug. But responsible pot use, is far safer than alcohol or cigarettes. Alcohol is very dangerous compared to pot and cigarettes are almost as addictive as heroine. Pot (which I have tried) and ecstasy (which I have not tried) are clearly safer than alcohol and less addictive than cigarettes. This is a fact. Check out this graph Either way, it should be up to you and me to decide what drugs, if any, we want to use. It should not be the job of government to decide what is OK for you to consume in your own home. Responsible drug use should not be a crime and that's the bottom line in all of this.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
What side effects are you talking about?
This was quite a few years ago so I don't recall much of the finer detail.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I call bullsh*t.
Only because it does not accord with what you believe. [edit]I just noticed you got voted down for your previous reply; not by me. I'm happy to debate with you, even though we disagree. And of course your opinions are just as valid as mine.[/edit]
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
He told the truth using science to back up his statements and gets fired for it.
Yes he told the truth as he saw it, but in actuality all he did was give an opinion, which was not universally shared. He got fired because the government's opinion now is that his opinion then was wrong.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8334774.stm He told the truth using science to back up his statements and gets fired for it. http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/29/nutt-drugs-policy-reform-call
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Sounds like the doctor that suggested the may be a link between the MMR and Autism, and wanted to investigate... Got sacked, and kicked out of the GMC so he couldn't work as a doctor anymore.
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His opinion is base on science, it is not universally shared because of all the propaganda from governments. Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy. You can die simply from drinking too much alcohol. A few number of people do die from this every year. Pot has never killed anyone. Also, cigarettes are far more addicting and deadly. The government wants someone who will basically lie for them. They want a PR person, not a scientist. It is a joke.
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The problem with pot is that the effects are not quantifiable in the same way that something like alcohol or tobacco is in that it is a mind altering chemical because thc directly affects the connections within the brain. So the problem is that with alchohol you can look to the liver and see what affect alcohol is having on it. With thc interfering with a certain connection over periods of time can cause psychosis in one person but not in another. ( which we currently can't measure anyway ) The effects of ever increasing strength in the growing and cross breeding of cannabis plants are showing up more and more that there are detremental side affects from over using thc ( Just watch the cannabis users on any of the daytime laugh at the poor tv shows, you can spot them easy they are the glassy eyed vacant ones. ) Basically some people can handle beer, some thc, to a large extent it's a matter of choice but over doing either of them will have consequences.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
What side effects are you talking about?
This was quite a few years ago so I don't recall much of the finer detail.
ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I call bullsh*t.
Only because it does not accord with what you believe. [edit]I just noticed you got voted down for your previous reply; not by me. I'm happy to debate with you, even though we disagree. And of course your opinions are just as valid as mine.[/edit]
I don't care about down votes. Also, I'm not saying it is bullshit because I don't agree. I am calling bullshit because I smoked copious amounts of pot in college, even obscene amounts and then quit. There are no lasting side effects. It is also much easier to quit pot then cigarettes. I've quit them too. BTW, Drug advisor resigns over sacking
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
I attended a presentation some years ago on the results of a 20-year scientific study into marijuana smoking. The study revealed that it had worse side effects than tobacco and the effects lasted much longer after a regular smoker had given up.
What side effects are you talking about? I call bullshit. If you drink too much you'll get physically sick and could die. No matter how high you get you are going to wake up fine the next morning. If you drink too much, you'll feel like you were run over by train. I'm not saying pot is completely harmless. If you have mental problems you probably shouldn't use it. It is a psychoactive drug. But responsible pot use, is far safer than alcohol or cigarettes. Alcohol is very dangerous compared to pot and cigarettes are almost as addictive as heroine. Pot (which I have tried) and ecstasy (which I have not tried) are clearly safer than alcohol and less addictive than cigarettes. This is a fact. Check out this graph Either way, it should be up to you and me to decide what drugs, if any, we want to use. It should not be the job of government to decide what is OK for you to consume in your own home. Responsible drug use should not be a crime and that's the bottom line in all of this.
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Well... Debating over the worst way to destroy your brain cells, or other parts of your body? This just does not make any sense...
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His opinion is base on science, it is not universally shared because of all the propaganda from governments. Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy. You can die simply from drinking too much alcohol. A few number of people do die from this every year. Pot has never killed anyone. Also, cigarettes are far more addicting and deadly. The government wants someone who will basically lie for them. They want a PR person, not a scientist. It is a joke.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy.
I hate to correct you tere, but since it's a subject close to my heart (no pun intended), there is such a thing as Estacy Toxicity, which leads to heart / organ failure. Apparently the lethal dose is around 3mg/l (IIRC).. - 20 was bound to kill Additionally, cannbis IS toxic -it's just that the lethal dose is measured in kilos!
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy.
I hate to correct you tere, but since it's a subject close to my heart (no pun intended), there is such a thing as Estacy Toxicity, which leads to heart / organ failure. Apparently the lethal dose is around 3mg/l (IIRC).. - 20 was bound to kill Additionally, cannbis IS toxic -it's just that the lethal dose is measured in kilos!
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
I hate to correct you tere, but since it's a subject close to my heart (no pun intended), there is such a thing as Estacy Toxicity, which leads to heart / organ failure. Apparently the lethal dose is around 3mg/l (IIRC).. - 20 was bound to kill
Thanks for correcting me. When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true. I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
I hate to correct you tere, but since it's a subject close to my heart (no pun intended), there is such a thing as Estacy Toxicity, which leads to heart / organ failure. Apparently the lethal dose is around 3mg/l (IIRC).. - 20 was bound to kill
Thanks for correcting me. When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true. I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
You mean you haven't read about any reports of kids dying because of taking ecstasy? :wtf: You do read papers, don't you?
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Sounds like the doctor that suggested the may be a link between the MMR and Autism, and wanted to investigate... Got sacked, and kicked out of the GMC so he couldn't work as a doctor anymore.
On the other hand, do you know the real story behind why he was kicked out? I don't, and most likely not the rest of the public either. For all we know, he might be a drug head, and his superiors saw that it was just an attempt to get hold of hard drugs. Or maybe the science of his initial findings was of such poor quality, that nobody wanted to take the risk of looking like fools for giving him grants to do "trip research".
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
You mean you haven't read about any reports of kids dying because of taking ecstasy? :wtf: You do read papers, don't you?
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
You mean you haven't read about any reports of kids dying because of taking ecstasy? You do read papers, don't you?
No I don't papers, what is it 1996? I do remember some stories on the Internet of kids dying but it was from bad ecstasy. Something was wrong with the pills.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
You mean you haven't read about any reports of kids dying because of taking ecstasy? You do read papers, don't you?
No I don't papers, what is it 1996? I do remember some stories on the Internet of kids dying but it was from bad ecstasy. Something was wrong with the pills.
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The effects of taking ecstasy is that the body temperature rises - you basically induce a fever. As a result, when people take the stuff, they dehydrate themselves and die because of overheating. It's the good ecstasy that kills when taken in too high dosages, or if one is not careful to drink water during the intoxication. It is way easier to die by using ecstasy, than it is by using alcohol.
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
I hate to correct you tere, but since it's a subject close to my heart (no pun intended), there is such a thing as Estacy Toxicity, which leads to heart / organ failure. Apparently the lethal dose is around 3mg/l (IIRC).. - 20 was bound to kill
Thanks for correcting me. When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true. I thought ecstasy was pretty safe, but maybe not. I have no experience with it. It was usually the fat girls in college who took it. LOL.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Thanks for correcting me. When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true.
So when you insisted that "Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy." you did not actually have any idea whether it was true or not.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Thanks for correcting me. When our governments / schools give us misinformation and propaganda, it is hard to know what's true.
So when you insisted that "Nobody dies, from marijuana or ecstasy." you did not actually have any idea whether it was true or not.
Well, nobody dies from Marijuana, this I know is true. Because you can't OD on it. I was mistaken about ecstasy, I was misinformed. Apparently, it can kill you, but it can also be used safely.
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The effects of taking ecstasy is that the body temperature rises - you basically induce a fever. As a result, when people take the stuff, they dehydrate themselves and die because of overheating. It's the good ecstasy that kills when taken in too high dosages, or if one is not careful to drink water during the intoxication. It is way easier to die by using ecstasy, than it is by using alcohol.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
The effects of taking ecstasy is that the body temperature rises - you basically induce a fever. As a result, when people take the stuff, they dehydrate themselves and die because of overheating. It's the good ecstasy that kills when taken in too high dosages, or if one is not careful to drink water during the intoxication.
I had heard that it is very important to drink lots of water when taking E. Also, alcohol dehydrates as well, so it is probably bad to mix them. I know less about E cause I haven't taken it. I still don't think it should be illegal, even if it is dangerous. People should still have the option of taking that risk. Its not the government's job to protect us from ourselves by putting people in jail. The drug war is a massive failure in the USA and UK. In America was have something ridiculous like 2 Million people in prison and everybody still uses drugs. It is so pointless.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
The effects of taking ecstasy is that the body temperature rises - you basically induce a fever. As a result, when people take the stuff, they dehydrate themselves and die because of overheating. It's the good ecstasy that kills when taken in too high dosages, or if one is not careful to drink water during the intoxication.
I had heard that it is very important to drink lots of water when taking E. Also, alcohol dehydrates as well, so it is probably bad to mix them. I know less about E cause I haven't taken it. I still don't think it should be illegal, even if it is dangerous. People should still have the option of taking that risk. Its not the government's job to protect us from ourselves by putting people in jail. The drug war is a massive failure in the USA and UK. In America was have something ridiculous like 2 Million people in prison and everybody still uses drugs. It is so pointless.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Its not the government's job to protect us from ourselves by putting people in jail.
It is if the government is paying for the health care needed due to drug use.
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ToddHileHoffer wrote:
Its not the government's job to protect us from ourselves by putting people in jail.
It is if the government is paying for the health care needed due to drug use.
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
It is if the government is paying for the health care needed due to drug use
Right... So when a taxpaying citizen, who has a job gets busted for pot (or ecstasy) they can loose their job, loose their kids, get a criminal record and face prison. How much does this cost the tax payers? Considering penalties create rich drug gangs in Mexico doesn't the harm outweigh the nonexistent results of the drug war?
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