Environmentalist Goes Nuts Over ClimateGate
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If the juvenile and wildly erratic behavior of celebrity environmentalist Ed Begley, Jr. is anything to go by, the warmists are more upset about ClimateGate than they are letting on. Begley appeared on Fox News yesterday to react to the explosive story of the hacked CRU emails which prove that climate scientists affiliated with the UN IPCC altered temperature data models in order to “hide the decline” in global warming since the 1960’s, as well as engaging in academic witch hunts to ensure the work of skeptical scientists was blocked from appearing in peer-reviewed journals. When asked about the scandal, Begley immediately resorted to invoking the words, “peer reviewed studies,” uttering the phrase no less than eight times in an attempt to dismiss the hundreds of skeptical scientists whose stance on global warming proves that the debate is not over. Unfortunately for this clown, his constant repetition of the term only discredited his argument with each mention. The hacked emails show that warmists conspired to conduct academic witch hunts in order to prevent studies which didn’t jive with their agenda from appearing in peer-reviewed journals. As the Telegraph’s James Delingpole highlights[^] , the exposé reveals, “A long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.” Other emails illustrate how warmists embarked on a campaign to discredit peer-reviewed journals that dared publish studies which contradicted the man-made global warming hypothesis. The emails illustrate that the peer-review process is completely corrupted. Warmists can invoke “peer-reviewed studies” until they are blue in the face, as Begley does in this interview, but the fact is that the entire foundation of the argument has been debunked now it is proven that an inherent bias to censor unfavorable studies from appearing in such journals has been in place. The rest of the interview mainly consists of Begley having a tantrum, wildly gesticulating and waving his finger around l
Who is Ed Begley, Jr.? But one point:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
“You should have an energy audit in your home to make it more efficient,” states Begley, before the host makes his point about the government coming into people’s homes and telling them they can’t have incandescent light bulbs. “What kind of American believes that the government should come right into a private house and say you can’t have this kind of light bulb,” asks the host, to which Begley responds, “Nobody’s going to come into your house.” Which is it Ed? You can’t have your cake and eat it.
You should, as in, you should call for one and do it yourself. Odds are in the long run it'll save you money anyway. Not as in, the government should force you to do so. Or, at least in what you quoted. Don't assume anyone is going to force you to do something that's most likely good for you, but don't be surprised if they look at you like an idiot if you don't do it.
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Who is Ed Begley, Jr.? But one point:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
“You should have an energy audit in your home to make it more efficient,” states Begley, before the host makes his point about the government coming into people’s homes and telling them they can’t have incandescent light bulbs. “What kind of American believes that the government should come right into a private house and say you can’t have this kind of light bulb,” asks the host, to which Begley responds, “Nobody’s going to come into your house.” Which is it Ed? You can’t have your cake and eat it.
You should, as in, you should call for one and do it yourself. Odds are in the long run it'll save you money anyway. Not as in, the government should force you to do so. Or, at least in what you quoted. Don't assume anyone is going to force you to do something that's most likely good for you, but don't be surprised if they look at you like an idiot if you don't do it.
Distind wrote:
Don't assume anyone is going to force you to do something that's most likely good for you, but don't be surprised if they look at you like an idiot if you don't do it.
Well, the Cap & Trade bill has provisions for mandatory energy audits where an inspector comes in and writes down a big list of required purchases. Mandatory purchases are part of the "green" economy they talk about.
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Distind wrote:
Don't assume anyone is going to force you to do something that's most likely good for you, but don't be surprised if they look at you like an idiot if you don't do it.
Well, the Cap & Trade bill has provisions for mandatory energy audits where an inspector comes in and writes down a big list of required purchases. Mandatory purchases are part of the "green" economy they talk about.
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Distind wrote:
Don't assume anyone is going to force you to do something that's most likely good for you, but don't be surprised if they look at you like an idiot if you don't do it.
Well, the Cap & Trade bill has provisions for mandatory energy audits where an inspector comes in and writes down a big list of required purchases. Mandatory purchases are part of the "green" economy they talk about.
You shouldn't listen to chain e-mails... http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/23/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-cap-and-trade-will-require-hom/[^] EDIT: Also, from Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp[^]
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Is that what he said though? Did he write that legislation? It could be that he believes you should be smart enough to do it on your own, as your financial situation allows, but still opposes the government making you do it.
Distind wrote:
Is that what he said though? Did he write that legislation?
He's an idiot who can't listen to what people say and use the meaning of the words they say as the meaning of what they're saying. He's to busy make stuff up or between the lines, just to suit is own world view.
Distind wrote:
should be smart enough to do it on your own, as your financial situation allows
I've already done an energy audit of sorts. It just makes sense. I've impacted my usage quite a bit already.
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If the juvenile and wildly erratic behavior of celebrity environmentalist Ed Begley, Jr. is anything to go by, the warmists are more upset about ClimateGate than they are letting on. Begley appeared on Fox News yesterday to react to the explosive story of the hacked CRU emails which prove that climate scientists affiliated with the UN IPCC altered temperature data models in order to “hide the decline” in global warming since the 1960’s, as well as engaging in academic witch hunts to ensure the work of skeptical scientists was blocked from appearing in peer-reviewed journals. When asked about the scandal, Begley immediately resorted to invoking the words, “peer reviewed studies,” uttering the phrase no less than eight times in an attempt to dismiss the hundreds of skeptical scientists whose stance on global warming proves that the debate is not over. Unfortunately for this clown, his constant repetition of the term only discredited his argument with each mention. The hacked emails show that warmists conspired to conduct academic witch hunts in order to prevent studies which didn’t jive with their agenda from appearing in peer-reviewed journals. As the Telegraph’s James Delingpole highlights[^] , the exposé reveals, “A long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.” Other emails illustrate how warmists embarked on a campaign to discredit peer-reviewed journals that dared publish studies which contradicted the man-made global warming hypothesis. The emails illustrate that the peer-review process is completely corrupted. Warmists can invoke “peer-reviewed studies” until they are blue in the face, as Begley does in this interview, but the fact is that the entire foundation of the argument has been debunked now it is proven that an inherent bias to censor unfavorable studies from appearing in such journals has been in place. The rest of the interview mainly consists of Begley having a tantrum, wildly gesticulating and waving his finger around l
I have a question. We obviously know that you're incapable of original thought, but would Alex Jones be pleased that you're ripping off text from his site, and in the process suggesting to anyone who doesn't know much about him, that his demographic is morons like you ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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You shouldn't listen to chain e-mails... http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/23/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-cap-and-trade-will-require-hom/[^] EDIT: Also, from Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp[^]
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Good find. There's so much information being thrown out there it can be hard to take any source as being credible these days. I can't imagine how it will get worse, but I'm sure it will.
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I have a question. We obviously know that you're incapable of original thought, but would Alex Jones be pleased that you're ripping off text from his site, and in the process suggesting to anyone who doesn't know much about him, that his demographic is morons like you ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Sounds like what you're describing is intellectual dishonesty. :laugh:
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You shouldn't listen to chain e-mails... http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/23/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-cap-and-trade-will-require-hom/[^] EDIT: Also, from Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp[^]
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in? Developer, Author (Guardians of Xen)
I don't want to believe it either... this is getting really weird. A lot of people are going scared over the clean energy stuff. I've got fluorescent light bulbs and I've got no problem with them... Though you have to wonder why it's all over the conservative radio and not liberal.
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You shouldn't listen to chain e-mails... http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/nov/23/chain-email/chain-e-mail-claims-cap-and-trade-will-require-hom/[^] EDIT: Also, from Snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp[^]
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You know, the same type of "debunking" went on by these type of sites with the healthcare bill, but if you actually read the bill you will find that the assertions of selective rationing decided by unelected boards were very true indeed. I am quite certain that there are energy audits where you can't sell your home until you practically replace everything in your home ot make it "green". Whenever I get around to it, I will give page numbers and lines. I will wait until it is in the front of the queue.
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You know, the same type of "debunking" went on by these type of sites with the healthcare bill, but if you actually read the bill you will find that the assertions of selective rationing decided by unelected boards were very true indeed. I am quite certain that there are energy audits where you can't sell your home until you practically replace everything in your home ot make it "green". Whenever I get around to it, I will give page numbers and lines. I will wait until it is in the front of the queue.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I am quite certain that there are energy audits where you can't sell your home until you practically replace everything in your home ot make it "green".
Market pressure may have that end result, and some people may be talking about that already, but how could the government possibly stop you from selling your home ? Oh, wait, you're CERTAIN, you didn't say there was any EVIDENCE.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I have a question. We obviously know that you're incapable of original thought, but would Alex Jones be pleased that you're ripping off text from his site, and in the process suggesting to anyone who doesn't know much about him, that his demographic is morons like you ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
you're ripping off text from his site
You aren't kidding, a word for word ripoff, incredibly lame. X|
It's all he does. Just google any of his posts and you'll find the source. You'd think he'd at least steal from someone smart or credible.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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It's all he does. Just google any of his posts and you'll find the source. You'd think he'd at least steal from someone smart or credible.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Usually I don't read his posts, but for some reason I did read this one. The thing that immediately struck me was, there are way too many well formed sentences and a distinct lack of spelling errors for this to be original.
Christian Graus wrote:
You'd think he'd at least steal from someone smart or credible.
true
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You know, the same type of "debunking" went on by these type of sites with the healthcare bill, but if you actually read the bill you will find that the assertions of selective rationing decided by unelected boards were very true indeed. I am quite certain that there are energy audits where you can't sell your home until you practically replace everything in your home ot make it "green". Whenever I get around to it, I will give page numbers and lines. I will wait until it is in the front of the queue.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Whenever I get around to it, I will give page numbers and lines. I will wait until it is in the front of the queue.
Yeah, you let me know. When you can quote text from the ACTUAL BILL, not from Alex Jones's site, then you get back to me. Until then, you'll forgive me if I trust Snopes more than you.
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If the juvenile and wildly erratic behavior of celebrity environmentalist Ed Begley, Jr. is anything to go by, the warmists are more upset about ClimateGate than they are letting on. Begley appeared on Fox News yesterday to react to the explosive story of the hacked CRU emails which prove that climate scientists affiliated with the UN IPCC altered temperature data models in order to “hide the decline” in global warming since the 1960’s, as well as engaging in academic witch hunts to ensure the work of skeptical scientists was blocked from appearing in peer-reviewed journals. When asked about the scandal, Begley immediately resorted to invoking the words, “peer reviewed studies,” uttering the phrase no less than eight times in an attempt to dismiss the hundreds of skeptical scientists whose stance on global warming proves that the debate is not over. Unfortunately for this clown, his constant repetition of the term only discredited his argument with each mention. The hacked emails show that warmists conspired to conduct academic witch hunts in order to prevent studies which didn’t jive with their agenda from appearing in peer-reviewed journals. As the Telegraph’s James Delingpole highlights[^] , the exposé reveals, “A long series of communications discussing how best to squeeze dissenting scientists out of the peer review process. How, in other words, to create a scientific climate in which anyone who disagrees with AGW can be written off as a crank, whose views do not have a scrap of authority.” Other emails illustrate how warmists embarked on a campaign to discredit peer-reviewed journals that dared publish studies which contradicted the man-made global warming hypothesis. The emails illustrate that the peer-review process is completely corrupted. Warmists can invoke “peer-reviewed studies” until they are blue in the face, as Begley does in this interview, but the fact is that the entire foundation of the argument has been debunked now it is proven that an inherent bias to censor unfavorable studies from appearing in such journals has been in place. The rest of the interview mainly consists of Begley having a tantrum, wildly gesticulating and waving his finger around l
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Ilíon wrote:
I still think this ought to be called "Climatequiddick."
The use of the suffix -gate or -quiddick should be deprecated - unimaginative.
Bob Emmett UEA, UAE, who will be next?
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Ilíon wrote:
I still think this ought to be called "Climatequiddick."
The use of the suffix -gate or -quiddick should be deprecated - unimaginative.
Bob Emmett UEA, UAE, who will be next?
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-gate is unimaginative, having been used so many times since Watergate (though, "Gatesgate" was humorous). -quiddick hasn't been used yet, it can hardly be deprecated. On the other hand, imagination/novelty is vastly overrated.
Ilíon wrote:
quiddick hasn't been used yet, it can hardly be deprecated
Had '-quiddick' never been used before (it has, go Google), it would remain unimaginative, merely copying a lazy journalistic cliché. (Although, I would agree with your subsequent post that Climate-quiddick is more appropriate.)
Ilíon wrote:
On the other hand, imagination/novelty is vastly overrated.
Typical bloody conservative! :)
Bob Emmett CDO and CDS - imagination at its best.