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How do I make a transaction an "atomic" operation? (SQL Server 2005) [modified]

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  • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

    What exactly are you doing that requires a critical section!? All operations on data within the scope of a transaction is by definition atomic. If you are trying to execute code of some sort that really doesn't adhere to the rules of MSSQL/ACIDness, such as calling into .NET assemblies, then you'll have to handle synchronization in the .NET assemblies. However, pay attention to what you're doing. Have you any idea what happens if the SQL engine is blocked by external code, possibly indefinitely, by a dead lock introduced by the external assembly? I have no idea, but I reckon it's bad for apps and database manager... :)

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    David Skelly
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    Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

    All operations on data within the scope of a transaction is by definition atomic.

    Atomic yes, but not necessarily serializable, which seems to be what the OP is after. That depends on the isolation level of the transaction.

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      Would it help to set the Isolation Level for the transaction to Serializable[^]? I would not suggest doing this a lot, as it seems to me that it would cause a performance hit, but for this critical operation it might make sense.

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      Roger Wright wrote:

      I would suggest doing this a lot, as it seems to me that it would cause a performance hit

      I think you mean "would not suggest" here.

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      • X Xiangyang Liu

        It is on the server side and it is within a stored procedure.

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        about sig3: that's no pet, this is[^]. :laugh:

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          Roger Wright wrote:

          I would suggest doing this a lot, as it seems to me that it would cause a performance hit

          I think you mean "would not suggest" here.

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          Oops... You're entirely correct! :-O There's cow-orkers milling about this place, so I had to type fast...:~

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            Oops... You're entirely correct! :-O There's cow-orkers milling about this place, so I had to type fast...:~

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            and you probably need more time to get used to the new monitor... :)

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            • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

              What exactly are you doing that requires a critical section!? All operations on data within the scope of a transaction is by definition atomic. If you are trying to execute code of some sort that really doesn't adhere to the rules of MSSQL/ACIDness, such as calling into .NET assemblies, then you'll have to handle synchronization in the .NET assemblies. However, pay attention to what you're doing. Have you any idea what happens if the SQL engine is blocked by external code, possibly indefinitely, by a dead lock introduced by the external assembly? I have no idea, but I reckon it's bad for apps and database manager... :)

              -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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              Xiangyang Liu
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              What I want in the transaction: 1. Check if a database record's status field is "pending". 2. If it is, then set status field to "processing", then process it. Otherwise, don't do anything. 3. After processing, set the status field to "processed". If the above code is in a "critical section", then I can guarantee only one client is processing a record. I thought putting the code within a transaction will solve the problem. Apparently not.

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              • D David Skelly

                Create a "lock" table with one row in it. At the beginning of your transaction select this row for update. If you run the transaction with an isolation level of serializable then it will lock the row exclusively to your transaction. Any other transaction that tries to access the same table will block until (a) your transaction commits or (b) your transaction rolls back or (c) it times out.

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                Xiangyang Liu
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                Thanks. Your solution is definitely workable, a little more complicated than I prefer, but there is no other choice for me right now. Thanks again.

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                • R Roger Wright

                  Would it help to set the Isolation Level for the transaction to Serializable[^]? I would not suggest doing this a lot, as it seems to me that it would cause a performance hit, but for this critical operation it might make sense.

                  "A Journey of a Thousand Rest Stops Begins with a Single Movement"

                  modified on Friday, December 18, 2009 12:38 PM

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                  Roger Wright wrote:

                  Would it help to set the Isolation Level for the transaction to Serializable?

                  That's exactly what was suggested by our DBA. Howver, there is still a chance to screw up. Here is what is within the transaction: 1. Check if the record's status field is "pending". 2. If it is, then set it to "processing" and process it, otherwise return. By reading the documentation about "serializable", it seems possible for two different clients to find the status field to be "pending", and each setting it to "processing" and each processing the same record. However, setting isolation level to "seriablizable" greatly reduced the chance of two clients processing the same record. Let me know if I am wrong on this. Thanks.

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                    and you probably need more time to get used to the new monitor... :)

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                    That's at home, and yes, it's taking some getting used to. :laugh: I never realized just how wrong it looks to have square cards for solitaire! Worse, I think a recent Windows Update must have made it harder; I haven't won a game in days!!!

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                    • X Xiangyang Liu

                      What I want in the transaction: 1. Check if a database record's status field is "pending". 2. If it is, then set status field to "processing", then process it. Otherwise, don't do anything. 3. After processing, set the status field to "processed". If the above code is in a "critical section", then I can guarantee only one client is processing a record. I thought putting the code within a transaction will solve the problem. Apparently not.

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                      :doh: I think I just heard the '70s call and they want the term batch processing brought back. :cool:

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                        Roger Wright wrote:

                        Would it help to set the Isolation Level for the transaction to Serializable?

                        That's exactly what was suggested by our DBA. Howver, there is still a chance to screw up. Here is what is within the transaction: 1. Check if the record's status field is "pending". 2. If it is, then set it to "processing" and process it, otherwise return. By reading the documentation about "serializable", it seems possible for two different clients to find the status field to be "pending", and each setting it to "processing" and each processing the same record. However, setting isolation level to "seriablizable" greatly reduced the chance of two clients processing the same record. Let me know if I am wrong on this. Thanks.

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                        Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                        I suspect an UPDATE could be of help, since they are atomic, much like an interlocked increment.

                        UPDATE table SET status = 'processing' WHERE status = 'pending' AND PrimaryKey = @value;
                        if row count > 0
                        -- Do the processing
                        else
                        -- Some other client is processing...
                        end if

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                          :doh: I think I just heard the '70s call and they want the term batch processing brought back. :cool:

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                          Xiangyang Liu
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                          Chris Meech wrote:

                          they want the term batch processing brought back.

                          I hardly noticed they were gone. When did that happen? For how long? :-D

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                          • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                            I suspect an UPDATE could be of help, since they are atomic, much like an interlocked increment.

                            UPDATE table SET status = 'processing' WHERE status = 'pending' AND PrimaryKey = @value;
                            if row count > 0
                            -- Do the processing
                            else
                            -- Some other client is processing...
                            end if

                            -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                            Xiangyang Liu
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                            Ok, this could be another solution, and simpler, too. Thanks.

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                              Roger Wright wrote:

                              Would it help to set the Isolation Level for the transaction to Serializable?

                              That's exactly what was suggested by our DBA. Howver, there is still a chance to screw up. Here is what is within the transaction: 1. Check if the record's status field is "pending". 2. If it is, then set it to "processing" and process it, otherwise return. By reading the documentation about "serializable", it seems possible for two different clients to find the status field to be "pending", and each setting it to "processing" and each processing the same record. However, setting isolation level to "seriablizable" greatly reduced the chance of two clients processing the same record. Let me know if I am wrong on this. Thanks.

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                              Roger Wright
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                              According to MSDN,

                              Statements cannot read data that has been modified but not yet committed by other transactions.

                              No other transactions can modify data that has been read by the current transaction until the current transaction completes.

                              Other transactions cannot insert new rows with key values that would fall in the range of keys read by any statements in the current transaction until the current transaction completes.

                              It sounds to me like you would be fairly safe with this setting. Certainly it would be safer than the default.

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                                I suspect an UPDATE could be of help, since they are atomic, much like an interlocked increment.

                                UPDATE table SET status = 'processing' WHERE status = 'pending' AND PrimaryKey = @value;
                                if row count > 0
                                -- Do the processing
                                else
                                -- Some other client is processing...
                                end if

                                -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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                                Roger Wright
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                                Yup, much easier! :-D

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