The bottom line
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Christian Graus wrote:
That's not socialism. It's capitalism.
How is it? We are living in a socialist welfare state.
Christian Graus wrote:
They aren't.
So they don't pay taxes?
Christian Graus wrote:
I live within my means.
Do you pay taxes? Do you understand indirect consequences?
Christian Graus wrote:
Except, they don't, and the fact that they don't, is half the reason their goods are so cheap.
And the other half of course its pseudo-slavery. So again, why should we directly pay for what their industry should pay for? Shouldn't the corporations there pay for it? Or should our government cap & trade our ass and give it to them? Tell me, what is it called when corporations and governments directly work together?
Christian Graus wrote:
I just wondered if you're withdrawing your support of less government involvement
I'm not for a corporate government, nor am I for a centralized command and control system like communism. I'm not for slavery, or theft. I'm for people making an honest living.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am not a fan of cap and trade
Why not?
Christian Graus wrote:
Cap and trade has nothing to do with reducing industrial capacity. It has to do with managing the amount of CO2 produced
Oxymoron. CO2 is directly linked to industry.
Christian Graus wrote:
and the idea is that it will CREATE industry, especially industry in ways to contain CO2.
Its like taxing water and giving that money to people who produce holy water, who sell that holy water for double profits.
Christian Graus wrote:
I see what you mean. I have a job and pay taxes, so it's my debt and not yours ?
That is the idea. That is how it works.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How is it? We are living in a socialist welfare state.
So what ? You're saying the government has told industry to move to China ? Are you for real ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So they don't pay taxes?
what ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Do you pay taxes? Do you understand indirect consequences?
The current global crisis has had no effect on the levels of tax that I pay
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So again, why should we directly pay for what their industry should pay for? Shouldn't the corporations there pay for it?
Of course. But, government should intervene and stop business from taking advantage of countries that do not force industry to do that.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Tell me, what is it called when corporations and governments directly work together?
What do you think it's called ? I doubt your definition fits any sort of reality.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'm for people making an honest living.
I'm not sure how you feel you know anything about that, but, in any case, as usual, you water the terminology down to something that EVERYONE is in favour of, and act as if you're making some sort of stand.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Why not?
Because I think it will be rorted and will cost money without benfiting the earth.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Oxymoron. CO2 is directly linked to industry.
Well, that doesn't have to be true, but so long as power comes from coal, it is. SO, the point is exactly that industry has to find ways to control the amount of CO2 it emits, without limiting it's capacity. That is the idea.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Its like taxing water and giving that money to people who produce holy water, who sell that holy water for double profits.
Is that supposed to make sense ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That is the idea. That is how it works.
Well, I'd rather pay taxes than have no money, so I'm not sure what your point is. Are taxes going up in the US ? They probably should,
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How is it? We are living in a socialist welfare state.
So what ? You're saying the government has told industry to move to China ? Are you for real ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So they don't pay taxes?
what ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Do you pay taxes? Do you understand indirect consequences?
The current global crisis has had no effect on the levels of tax that I pay
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So again, why should we directly pay for what their industry should pay for? Shouldn't the corporations there pay for it?
Of course. But, government should intervene and stop business from taking advantage of countries that do not force industry to do that.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Tell me, what is it called when corporations and governments directly work together?
What do you think it's called ? I doubt your definition fits any sort of reality.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'm for people making an honest living.
I'm not sure how you feel you know anything about that, but, in any case, as usual, you water the terminology down to something that EVERYONE is in favour of, and act as if you're making some sort of stand.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Why not?
Because I think it will be rorted and will cost money without benfiting the earth.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Oxymoron. CO2 is directly linked to industry.
Well, that doesn't have to be true, but so long as power comes from coal, it is. SO, the point is exactly that industry has to find ways to control the amount of CO2 it emits, without limiting it's capacity. That is the idea.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Its like taxing water and giving that money to people who produce holy water, who sell that holy water for double profits.
Is that supposed to make sense ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That is the idea. That is how it works.
Well, I'd rather pay taxes than have no money, so I'm not sure what your point is. Are taxes going up in the US ? They probably should,
Christian Graus wrote:
You're saying the government has told industry to move to China ?
Remember NAFTA and GAT?
Christian Graus wrote:
what ?
Answer the question.
Christian Graus wrote:
The current global crisis has had no effect on the levels of tax that I pay
Who pays for the national debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
But, government should intervene and stop business from taking advantage of countries that do not force industry to do that.
Government should have never promoted it in the first place.
Christian Graus wrote:
What do you think it's called ? I doubt your definition fits any sort of reality.
I asked you a question. Can you answer it?
Christian Graus wrote:
to something that EVERYONE is in favour of, and act as if you're making some sort of stand.
No, I'm not a politician.
Christian Graus wrote:
ut so long as power comes from coal, it is. SO, the point is exactly that industry has to find ways to control the amount of CO2 it emits, without limiting it's capacity.
Nuclear power plants and R&D of fusion would be the primary goal of anyone who really cared, but only corruptly making money is their concern.
Christian Graus wrote:
Because I think it will be rorted and will cost money without benfiting the earth.
How so? Why do you think that?
Christian Graus wrote:
Is that supposed to make sense ?
It makes dollars and cents.
Christian Graus wrote:
because we were not living outside our means to the same degree.
What is your debt to population ratio compared to the United States?
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Christian Graus wrote:
You're saying the government has told industry to move to China ?
Remember NAFTA and GAT?
Christian Graus wrote:
what ?
Answer the question.
Christian Graus wrote:
The current global crisis has had no effect on the levels of tax that I pay
Who pays for the national debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
But, government should intervene and stop business from taking advantage of countries that do not force industry to do that.
Government should have never promoted it in the first place.
Christian Graus wrote:
What do you think it's called ? I doubt your definition fits any sort of reality.
I asked you a question. Can you answer it?
Christian Graus wrote:
to something that EVERYONE is in favour of, and act as if you're making some sort of stand.
No, I'm not a politician.
Christian Graus wrote:
ut so long as power comes from coal, it is. SO, the point is exactly that industry has to find ways to control the amount of CO2 it emits, without limiting it's capacity.
Nuclear power plants and R&D of fusion would be the primary goal of anyone who really cared, but only corruptly making money is their concern.
Christian Graus wrote:
Because I think it will be rorted and will cost money without benfiting the earth.
How so? Why do you think that?
Christian Graus wrote:
Is that supposed to make sense ?
It makes dollars and cents.
Christian Graus wrote:
because we were not living outside our means to the same degree.
What is your debt to population ratio compared to the United States?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Remember NAFTA and GAT?
Yes, of course. Government bowing to business.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Answer the question.
Your line of questioning is too retarded to follow when you don't keep all the preceding comments. Yes, everyone pays taxes. You answer me - does your government intend to increase taxes entirely because of the financial crisis ? It's not happening here, so my taxes were being taken, regardless.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Who pays for the national debt?
You obviously don't pay tax, so you have no idea what you're talking about, and no ability to comprehend the basic issue here. I am paying the national debt, from my taxes. BUT, my taxes do not change based on the level of debt. Therefore, the level of debt does not affect me directly, it doesn't change how much tax I pay.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I asked you a question. Can you answer it?
I can't even remember what it was, but I know that your line of 'reasoning' is too retarded for me to follow it without going back and rereading the entire thread. How about you spell it out for me, and save me the bother ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Nuclear power plants and R&D of fusion would be the primary goal of anyone who really cared, but only corruptly making money is there concern.
Well, that's your theory. I tend not to take the theories of people who base their view on youtube and who cannot spell as well as a 5th grader too seriously. Fusion continues to be a fantasy. I agree that nuclear is a viable option, but most people are opposed to it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How so? Why do you think that?
Because it's already happening. The USA wants credit for it's national parks, for example.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It makes dollars and cents.
Nice throwaway line. Too bad you didn't say anything logical in there.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What is your debt to population ratio compared to the United States?
From what I can tell your debt is $39k per person, and ours is $28k per person.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Remember NAFTA and GAT?
Yes, of course. Government bowing to business.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Answer the question.
Your line of questioning is too retarded to follow when you don't keep all the preceding comments. Yes, everyone pays taxes. You answer me - does your government intend to increase taxes entirely because of the financial crisis ? It's not happening here, so my taxes were being taken, regardless.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Who pays for the national debt?
You obviously don't pay tax, so you have no idea what you're talking about, and no ability to comprehend the basic issue here. I am paying the national debt, from my taxes. BUT, my taxes do not change based on the level of debt. Therefore, the level of debt does not affect me directly, it doesn't change how much tax I pay.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I asked you a question. Can you answer it?
I can't even remember what it was, but I know that your line of 'reasoning' is too retarded for me to follow it without going back and rereading the entire thread. How about you spell it out for me, and save me the bother ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Nuclear power plants and R&D of fusion would be the primary goal of anyone who really cared, but only corruptly making money is there concern.
Well, that's your theory. I tend not to take the theories of people who base their view on youtube and who cannot spell as well as a 5th grader too seriously. Fusion continues to be a fantasy. I agree that nuclear is a viable option, but most people are opposed to it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How so? Why do you think that?
Because it's already happening. The USA wants credit for it's national parks, for example.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It makes dollars and cents.
Nice throwaway line. Too bad you didn't say anything logical in there.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What is your debt to population ratio compared to the United States?
From what I can tell your debt is $39k per person, and ours is $28k per person.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, of course. Government bowing to business.
What is it called when corporations and governments work together like that?
Christian Graus wrote:
Your line of questioning is too retarded
I see, you can't answer the question so you invoke a childish insult. How pathetic.
Christian Graus wrote:
You answer me - does your government intend to increase taxes entirely because of the financial crisis ?
I don't know.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's not happening here, so my taxes were being taken, regardless.
What makes you think you are not obligated to pay off your debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
I can't even remember what it was
That is your excuse? Seriously? :wtf:
Christian Graus wrote:
your line of 'reasoning' is too retarded
Again with the childish behavior. :doh:
Christian Graus wrote:
Because it's already happening.
Where do you see this happening?
Christian Graus wrote:
The USA wants credit for it's national parks, for example.
Should not land preservation be rewarded?
Christian Graus wrote:
Nice throwaway line. Too bad you didn't say anything logical in there.
Who cares about logic when you are getting rich and powerful?
Christian Graus wrote:
From what I can tell your debt is $39k per person, and ours is $28k per person.
It is more for you though, since you make more money, and pay more taxes. The debt will never be paid off, you will continue to irresponsibly get into more debt, only making interest payments. How much interest do you think you will have to pay on that debt? Who is getting those interest payments? Why do you keep going further into debt? Why are you so irresponsible?
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, of course. Government bowing to business.
What is it called when corporations and governments work together like that?
Christian Graus wrote:
Your line of questioning is too retarded
I see, you can't answer the question so you invoke a childish insult. How pathetic.
Christian Graus wrote:
You answer me - does your government intend to increase taxes entirely because of the financial crisis ?
I don't know.
Christian Graus wrote:
It's not happening here, so my taxes were being taken, regardless.
What makes you think you are not obligated to pay off your debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
I can't even remember what it was
That is your excuse? Seriously? :wtf:
Christian Graus wrote:
your line of 'reasoning' is too retarded
Again with the childish behavior. :doh:
Christian Graus wrote:
Because it's already happening.
Where do you see this happening?
Christian Graus wrote:
The USA wants credit for it's national parks, for example.
Should not land preservation be rewarded?
Christian Graus wrote:
Nice throwaway line. Too bad you didn't say anything logical in there.
Who cares about logic when you are getting rich and powerful?
Christian Graus wrote:
From what I can tell your debt is $39k per person, and ours is $28k per person.
It is more for you though, since you make more money, and pay more taxes. The debt will never be paid off, you will continue to irresponsibly get into more debt, only making interest payments. How much interest do you think you will have to pay on that debt? Who is getting those interest payments? Why do you keep going further into debt? Why are you so irresponsible?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What is it called when corporations and governments work together like that?
America
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I see, you can't answer the question so you invoke a childish insult. How pathetic.
I honestly cannot keep track of what you regard as a chain of logic. You delete the older comments, and the new ones plain do not make sense, and cannot be responded to without context.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't know.
Well, until you know, you have no claim. Until the government increases taxes to pay the debt, there is no line between the debt, and the amount of tax I pay.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What makes you think you are not obligated to pay off your debt?
I am saying that it has no direct effect on my finances, because the level of tax I pay does not change.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That is your excuse? Seriously?
I'm sorry, I am trying to follow this, but not dedicated enough to open a new window and reread the entire discussion.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Where do you see this happening?
I gave an example
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Should not land preservation be rewarded?
Well, it depends on how you scale it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Who cares about logic when you are getting rich and powerful?
And again, this means nothing.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is more for you though, since you make more money, and pay more taxes.
Well, a per person number is close to meaningless. But, again, for the hundredth time, I do not pay more taxes than I would if we had no debt.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. The debt will never be paid off, you will continue to irresponsibly get into more debt, only making interest payments.
Not as irresponsibly as you guys, but I don't disagree with this entirely.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How much interest do you think you will have to pay on that debt? Who is getting those interest payments? Why do you keep going f
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What is it called when corporations and governments work together like that?
America
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I see, you can't answer the question so you invoke a childish insult. How pathetic.
I honestly cannot keep track of what you regard as a chain of logic. You delete the older comments, and the new ones plain do not make sense, and cannot be responded to without context.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't know.
Well, until you know, you have no claim. Until the government increases taxes to pay the debt, there is no line between the debt, and the amount of tax I pay.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What makes you think you are not obligated to pay off your debt?
I am saying that it has no direct effect on my finances, because the level of tax I pay does not change.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
That is your excuse? Seriously?
I'm sorry, I am trying to follow this, but not dedicated enough to open a new window and reread the entire discussion.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Where do you see this happening?
I gave an example
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Should not land preservation be rewarded?
Well, it depends on how you scale it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Who cares about logic when you are getting rich and powerful?
And again, this means nothing.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is more for you though, since you make more money, and pay more taxes.
Well, a per person number is close to meaningless. But, again, for the hundredth time, I do not pay more taxes than I would if we had no debt.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
. The debt will never be paid off, you will continue to irresponsibly get into more debt, only making interest payments.
Not as irresponsibly as you guys, but I don't disagree with this entirely.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How much interest do you think you will have to pay on that debt? Who is getting those interest payments? Why do you keep going f
Christian Graus wrote:
America
I didn't ask which country participates in a corporate government partnership. I am asking the actual name of that type of government.
Christian Graus wrote:
You delete the older comments
What utter horseshit. What comments did I delete?
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, until you know, you have no claim.
I never said I had a claim now did I?
Christian Graus wrote:
Until the government increases taxes to pay the debt, there is no line between the debt, and the amount of tax I pay.
There are, however, perpetual interest payments.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am saying that it has no direct effect on my finances, because the level of tax I pay does not change.
So what makes you feel that you are not obligated to pay off your debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sorry, I am trying to follow this
Bullshit. You refuse to answer my legitimate questions, throw childish insults, and blatantly lie.
Christian Graus wrote:
I gave an example
So you are not for cap & trade because Americans are helping the earth by preserving precious land?
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, it depends on how you scale it.
How should it be scaled compared to how it is now?
Christian Graus wrote:
And again, this means nothing.
It means a lot to those getting rich from it.
Christian Graus wrote:
I do not pay more taxes than I would if we had no debt.
How do you make interest payments? Again, what makes you feel that you don't have to pay down that debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't disagree with this entirely.
Nor should you. You have acted very irresponsibly, you and your children must pay for it.
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't see you advocating that
Apparently you haven't seen my posts criticizing our debt based monetary system and reckless out of control government
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Christian Graus wrote:
America
I didn't ask which country participates in a corporate government partnership. I am asking the actual name of that type of government.
Christian Graus wrote:
You delete the older comments
What utter horseshit. What comments did I delete?
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, until you know, you have no claim.
I never said I had a claim now did I?
Christian Graus wrote:
Until the government increases taxes to pay the debt, there is no line between the debt, and the amount of tax I pay.
There are, however, perpetual interest payments.
Christian Graus wrote:
I am saying that it has no direct effect on my finances, because the level of tax I pay does not change.
So what makes you feel that you are not obligated to pay off your debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
I'm sorry, I am trying to follow this
Bullshit. You refuse to answer my legitimate questions, throw childish insults, and blatantly lie.
Christian Graus wrote:
I gave an example
So you are not for cap & trade because Americans are helping the earth by preserving precious land?
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, it depends on how you scale it.
How should it be scaled compared to how it is now?
Christian Graus wrote:
And again, this means nothing.
It means a lot to those getting rich from it.
Christian Graus wrote:
I do not pay more taxes than I would if we had no debt.
How do you make interest payments? Again, what makes you feel that you don't have to pay down that debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't disagree with this entirely.
Nor should you. You have acted very irresponsibly, you and your children must pay for it.
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't see you advocating that
Apparently you haven't seen my posts criticizing our debt based monetary system and reckless out of control government
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I didn't ask which country participates in a corporate government partnership. I am asking the actual name of that type of government.
Well, I'd like to know your definition. In my mind, America is the place that such corruption tends to exist.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What utter horseshit. What comments did I delete?
Every time we reply, the only thing quoted is the comments last made. So, the context is lost, and as there's no logic to what you're saying, it's not self evident.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I never said I had a claim now did I?
So you admit that you've been posting BS ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There are however perpetual interest payments.
But they are not in my control, nor do they have any bearing on the level of tax I pay.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So what makes you feel that you are not obligated to pay off your debt?
You're twisting your statements. I have no debt. Literally, I don't owe anyone on this earth a penny. My government does, which is not in my control, nor is it my debt, or am I called upon to manage it, nor does it affect me directly.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
bullsh*t. You refuse to answer my legitimate questions, throw childish insults, and blatantly lie.
I know you think your comments are the height of brilliance, but I'm afraid they are not, and I honestly can't follow the attempt at logic half the time. I offered for you to spell out your question, I guess you didn't want an asnwer.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you are not for cap & trade because Americans are helping the earth by preserving precious land?
ROTFL !!!
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It means a lot to those getting rich from it.
Well, this is your core issue. You believe your failure in terms of life in general, is the fault of some cabal of people who manipulate you to get rich. It's not true, but it makes you feel better.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How do you make interest payments?
I have zero debt. I make no interest payments of any kind, unl
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I didn't ask which country participates in a corporate government partnership. I am asking the actual name of that type of government.
Well, I'd like to know your definition. In my mind, America is the place that such corruption tends to exist.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
What utter horseshit. What comments did I delete?
Every time we reply, the only thing quoted is the comments last made. So, the context is lost, and as there's no logic to what you're saying, it's not self evident.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I never said I had a claim now did I?
So you admit that you've been posting BS ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There are however perpetual interest payments.
But they are not in my control, nor do they have any bearing on the level of tax I pay.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So what makes you feel that you are not obligated to pay off your debt?
You're twisting your statements. I have no debt. Literally, I don't owe anyone on this earth a penny. My government does, which is not in my control, nor is it my debt, or am I called upon to manage it, nor does it affect me directly.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
bullsh*t. You refuse to answer my legitimate questions, throw childish insults, and blatantly lie.
I know you think your comments are the height of brilliance, but I'm afraid they are not, and I honestly can't follow the attempt at logic half the time. I offered for you to spell out your question, I guess you didn't want an asnwer.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you are not for cap & trade because Americans are helping the earth by preserving precious land?
ROTFL !!!
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It means a lot to those getting rich from it.
Well, this is your core issue. You believe your failure in terms of life in general, is the fault of some cabal of people who manipulate you to get rich. It's not true, but it makes you feel better.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How do you make interest payments?
I have zero debt. I make no interest payments of any kind, unl
Christian Graus wrote:
Well, I'd like to know your definition.
I'd like to compare yours to mine when you man up to answering my simple question. What is the defining term of a corporate government partnership?
Christian Graus wrote:
Every time we reply, the only thing quoted is the comments last made. So, the context is lost, and as there's no logic to what you're saying, it's not self evident.
So you admit that I did not actually delete any comments?
Christian Graus wrote:
So you admit that you've been posting BS ?
I simply stated the fact that I did not say that I claimed anything.
Christian Graus wrote:
But they are not in my control, nor do they have any bearing on the level of tax I pay.
Who pays interest payments? Who receives those payments?
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't owe anyone on this earth a penny. My government does
Whats makes you think that you are not responsible to pay back your financiers of the public services that you receive, that are paid for in part by your lender?
Christian Graus wrote:
your comments are the height of brilliance
I know common sense seems out of reach for your mind, but its really quite simple.
Christian Graus wrote:
I have zero debt. I make no interest payments of any kind
So you do not pay taxes? Are you saying that you don't have to pay off your national debt or make interest payments on that debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - I don't agree with the level of debt my nation has
Then why do you continue to get into debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
2 - it's NOT MY DEBT
Yes it is. If you have a national debt, then you have not paid for those services entirely, somebody else has lent you what you didn't have to pay yet, so you owe them money.
Christian Graus wrote:
I live within my means
Apparently not.
Christian Graus wrote:
You believe your failure in terms of life in general, is the fault of some
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Christian Graus wrote:
Well, I'd like to know your definition.
I'd like to compare yours to mine when you man up to answering my simple question. What is the defining term of a corporate government partnership?
Christian Graus wrote:
Every time we reply, the only thing quoted is the comments last made. So, the context is lost, and as there's no logic to what you're saying, it's not self evident.
So you admit that I did not actually delete any comments?
Christian Graus wrote:
So you admit that you've been posting BS ?
I simply stated the fact that I did not say that I claimed anything.
Christian Graus wrote:
But they are not in my control, nor do they have any bearing on the level of tax I pay.
Who pays interest payments? Who receives those payments?
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't owe anyone on this earth a penny. My government does
Whats makes you think that you are not responsible to pay back your financiers of the public services that you receive, that are paid for in part by your lender?
Christian Graus wrote:
your comments are the height of brilliance
I know common sense seems out of reach for your mind, but its really quite simple.
Christian Graus wrote:
I have zero debt. I make no interest payments of any kind
So you do not pay taxes? Are you saying that you don't have to pay off your national debt or make interest payments on that debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - I don't agree with the level of debt my nation has
Then why do you continue to get into debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
2 - it's NOT MY DEBT
Yes it is. If you have a national debt, then you have not paid for those services entirely, somebody else has lent you what you didn't have to pay yet, so you owe them money.
Christian Graus wrote:
I live within my means
Apparently not.
Christian Graus wrote:
You believe your failure in terms of life in general, is the fault of some
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'd like to compare yours to mine when you man up to answering my simple question. What is the defining term of a corporate government partnership?
I don't like that you insist that I show you mine first.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you admit that I did not actually delete any comments?
I meant exactly what I explained, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood my meaning.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Who pays interest payments? Who receives those payments?
Well, we could discuss that, but I thought we were discussing my level of debt and how my taxes are affected by the national debt ( which is, not at all )
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Whats makes you think that you are not responsible to pay back your financiers of the public services that you receive, that are paid for in part by your lender?
This is BS. I'm sorry. I could move to another country tomorrow, and take all of my money with me. Therefore, the debt is not mine in an real or defining manner.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
So you do not pay taxes?
Taxes are not something that were created with any intention of creating debt. So, there's no correlation between my paying taxes, and the government being in debt. As I keep explaining.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Are you saying that you don't have to pay off your national debt or make interest payments on that debt?
Me personally ? No, I am not personally liable for them, nor am I required to manage them in any way.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Then why do you continue to get into debt?
I know that the concept of being successful in life is alien to you, but you'd be surprised to learn that despite paying taxes, working, and contributing to society, I actually don't get asked by my government before they borrow money, or how they decide to spend it. I do always try to vote for the people who I think are the most fiscally responsible, and not the people offering the biggest handout, but I am in the minority.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Yes it is. If you have a national debt, then you have not paid for those services entirely, somebody
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Christian Graus wrote:
Well, I'd like to know your definition.
I'd like to compare yours to mine when you man up to answering my simple question. What is the defining term of a corporate government partnership?
Christian Graus wrote:
Every time we reply, the only thing quoted is the comments last made. So, the context is lost, and as there's no logic to what you're saying, it's not self evident.
So you admit that I did not actually delete any comments?
Christian Graus wrote:
So you admit that you've been posting BS ?
I simply stated the fact that I did not say that I claimed anything.
Christian Graus wrote:
But they are not in my control, nor do they have any bearing on the level of tax I pay.
Who pays interest payments? Who receives those payments?
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't owe anyone on this earth a penny. My government does
Whats makes you think that you are not responsible to pay back your financiers of the public services that you receive, that are paid for in part by your lender?
Christian Graus wrote:
your comments are the height of brilliance
I know common sense seems out of reach for your mind, but its really quite simple.
Christian Graus wrote:
I have zero debt. I make no interest payments of any kind
So you do not pay taxes? Are you saying that you don't have to pay off your national debt or make interest payments on that debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - I don't agree with the level of debt my nation has
Then why do you continue to get into debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
2 - it's NOT MY DEBT
Yes it is. If you have a national debt, then you have not paid for those services entirely, somebody else has lent you what you didn't have to pay yet, so you owe them money.
Christian Graus wrote:
I live within my means
Apparently not.
Christian Graus wrote:
You believe your failure in terms of life in general, is the fault of some
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'd like to compare yours to mine when you man up to answering my simple question. What is the defining term of a corporate government partnership?
There isn't any particular one I'm aware of for that kind of arrangement, if anything it's leaning towards corporatism, which is on the exact opposite end of the political scale from socialism. Now, problem is the government isn't asking them to, it isn't telling them to, it actually loses out a bit from the fact they're moving, it simply allows them to, so it's more along the lines of 'bending over for big business' than anything summed up easily in a single term.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I'd like to compare yours to mine when you man up to answering my simple question. What is the defining term of a corporate government partnership?
There isn't any particular one I'm aware of for that kind of arrangement, if anything it's leaning towards corporatism, which is on the exact opposite end of the political scale from socialism. Now, problem is the government isn't asking them to, it isn't telling them to, it actually loses out a bit from the fact they're moving, it simply allows them to, so it's more along the lines of 'bending over for big business' than anything summed up easily in a single term.
No youtube? How will Cecilia ever understand?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
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No youtube? How will Cecilia ever understand?
Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done.
He also didn't use small words, I am sure he'll get ignored cause of that.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Well, I'd like to know your definition.
I'd like to compare yours to mine when you man up to answering my simple question. What is the defining term of a corporate government partnership?
Christian Graus wrote:
Every time we reply, the only thing quoted is the comments last made. So, the context is lost, and as there's no logic to what you're saying, it's not self evident.
So you admit that I did not actually delete any comments?
Christian Graus wrote:
So you admit that you've been posting BS ?
I simply stated the fact that I did not say that I claimed anything.
Christian Graus wrote:
But they are not in my control, nor do they have any bearing on the level of tax I pay.
Who pays interest payments? Who receives those payments?
Christian Graus wrote:
I don't owe anyone on this earth a penny. My government does
Whats makes you think that you are not responsible to pay back your financiers of the public services that you receive, that are paid for in part by your lender?
Christian Graus wrote:
your comments are the height of brilliance
I know common sense seems out of reach for your mind, but its really quite simple.
Christian Graus wrote:
I have zero debt. I make no interest payments of any kind
So you do not pay taxes? Are you saying that you don't have to pay off your national debt or make interest payments on that debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
1 - I don't agree with the level of debt my nation has
Then why do you continue to get into debt?
Christian Graus wrote:
2 - it's NOT MY DEBT
Yes it is. If you have a national debt, then you have not paid for those services entirely, somebody else has lent you what you didn't have to pay yet, so you owe them money.
Christian Graus wrote:
I live within my means
Apparently not.
Christian Graus wrote:
You believe your failure in terms of life in general, is the fault of some
hey css... i know it took a long time for me to get back to you, but I did the show and i have the fed protest of boston edited and it's uploaded on danverstv.org go to that site, go to Video on Demand at the top, and look for The Currency of Democracy, under Danvers Access Shows. It's the December 3rd show. My shows are an hour long each, and it only has my three latest ones. So I'll be uploading to youtube when I get unlazy. Good hunting man. I think you'll find my shows to be pretty interesting.
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I can't believe you actually fall for that crap. How does moving industry over to india and china where they can pollute as much as they like helpful to the environment, even if the life sustaining gas of CO2 was deadly poison and actually did cause measurable warming which actually did cause catastrophe? How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation? How does the consolidation of corrupt unelected power helpful to anyone? How is the total plunder of and looting of our country, and debt enslavement of our children helpful?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How does moving industry over to india and china where they can pollute as much as they like helpful to the environment, even if the life sustaining gas of CO2 was deadly poison and actually did cause measurable warming which actually did cause catastrophe? How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation? How does the consolidation of corrupt unelected power helpful to anyone? How is the total plunder of and looting of our country, and debt enslavement of our children helpful?
* Energy Independence * Preserve Rainforests * Sustainability * Green Jobs * Liveable Cities * Renewables * Clean Water, Air * Healthy Children No, can't see any of your quibbles up there.
Bob Emmett
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I can't believe you actually fall for that crap. How does moving industry over to india and china where they can pollute as much as they like helpful to the environment, even if the life sustaining gas of CO2 was deadly poison and actually did cause measurable warming which actually did cause catastrophe? How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation? How does the consolidation of corrupt unelected power helpful to anyone? How is the total plunder of and looting of our country, and debt enslavement of our children helpful?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How does moving industry over to india and china where they can pollute as much as they like helpful to the environment, even if the life sustaining gas of CO2 was deadly poison and actually did cause measurable warming which actually did cause catastrophe?
Production is deliberately moved to developing countries where pollution and exploitation of labour are tolerated. It lowers costs and increases profits. It has nothing to do with the AGW agenda, unless you can provide a coherent explanation. BTW: GATT was created when the USA was an exporter of goods, and the rest of the world had tariffs and quotas on imports from the USA. NAFTA was created to exploit Mexico and Canada. The USA never enters into any agreements unless it thinks it is going to screw the other parties. If this objective has gone pear-shaped for the USA - :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:.
Bob Emmett
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I can't believe you actually fall for that crap. How does moving industry over to india and china where they can pollute as much as they like helpful to the environment, even if the life sustaining gas of CO2 was deadly poison and actually did cause measurable warming which actually did cause catastrophe? How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation? How does the consolidation of corrupt unelected power helpful to anyone? How is the total plunder of and looting of our country, and debt enslavement of our children helpful?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation?
And how is the AGW agenda going to bring this about?
Bob Emmett
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation?
And how is the AGW agenda going to bring this about?
Bob Emmett
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From what I remember that was one of the major fears coming from ethanol, at least corn based. Farmers grow corn for that rather than food, drives up food costs. At least that's the only spot I remember hearing it.
Well, that has actually happened already.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Well, that has actually happened already.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Only this time it causes the end of the world and we all starve. I always figured it was rather odd as ethanol has been around quite a while, but I'm not exactly on top of our national corn infrastructure and consumption of ethanol so I'm far from qualified to judge the impact using more of it.
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Only this time it causes the end of the world and we all starve. I always figured it was rather odd as ethanol has been around quite a while, but I'm not exactly on top of our national corn infrastructure and consumption of ethanol so I'm far from qualified to judge the impact using more of it.
Problem with all this is that Corn is a horrible crop. Seriously. In order for it to grow as fast as it does it needs more nutrients than any other crop. Not a little bit more either. It sucks the land dry and they have to constantly replenish the land with fertilzer. The net result is that corn is just plain expensive to grow. You want to give the land a break every 3-4 years or no amount of fertilizer will help. Growing soybeans actually ends up being a net increase in land enrichment. Couple this with Corn being as close to the root cause of all evil that I can come up with and I don't really think we need to worry about this. If corn crops aren't good enough to feed people, they have alternatives. High fructose corn syrup is in everything nowadays. Some might point out how obesity has gone up since they started replacing sugar as a sweetener (it's more expensive since it grows in less places) with it. Others might point out how a large percentage of the population has a mild corn allergy and can't process it and wonder why we even bother with the darn crop. If you killed off all the corn on the planet we could switch to other crops and probably be better off. Very few things would suffer greatly.