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I can't believe you actually fall for that crap. How does moving industry over to india and china where they can pollute as much as they like helpful to the environment, even if the life sustaining gas of CO2 was deadly poison and actually did cause measurable warming which actually did cause catastrophe? How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation? How does the consolidation of corrupt unelected power helpful to anyone? How is the total plunder of and looting of our country, and debt enslavement of our children helpful?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How does moving industry over to india and china where they can pollute as much as they like helpful to the environment, even if the life sustaining gas of CO2 was deadly poison and actually did cause measurable warming which actually did cause catastrophe?
Production is deliberately moved to developing countries where pollution and exploitation of labour are tolerated. It lowers costs and increases profits. It has nothing to do with the AGW agenda, unless you can provide a coherent explanation. BTW: GATT was created when the USA was an exporter of goods, and the rest of the world had tariffs and quotas on imports from the USA. NAFTA was created to exploit Mexico and Canada. The USA never enters into any agreements unless it thinks it is going to screw the other parties. If this objective has gone pear-shaped for the USA - :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:.
Bob Emmett
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I can't believe you actually fall for that crap. How does moving industry over to india and china where they can pollute as much as they like helpful to the environment, even if the life sustaining gas of CO2 was deadly poison and actually did cause measurable warming which actually did cause catastrophe? How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation? How does the consolidation of corrupt unelected power helpful to anyone? How is the total plunder of and looting of our country, and debt enslavement of our children helpful?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation?
And how is the AGW agenda going to bring this about?
Bob Emmett
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation?
And how is the AGW agenda going to bring this about?
Bob Emmett
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From what I remember that was one of the major fears coming from ethanol, at least corn based. Farmers grow corn for that rather than food, drives up food costs. At least that's the only spot I remember hearing it.
Well, that has actually happened already.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Well, that has actually happened already.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Only this time it causes the end of the world and we all starve. I always figured it was rather odd as ethanol has been around quite a while, but I'm not exactly on top of our national corn infrastructure and consumption of ethanol so I'm far from qualified to judge the impact using more of it.
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Only this time it causes the end of the world and we all starve. I always figured it was rather odd as ethanol has been around quite a while, but I'm not exactly on top of our national corn infrastructure and consumption of ethanol so I'm far from qualified to judge the impact using more of it.
Problem with all this is that Corn is a horrible crop. Seriously. In order for it to grow as fast as it does it needs more nutrients than any other crop. Not a little bit more either. It sucks the land dry and they have to constantly replenish the land with fertilzer. The net result is that corn is just plain expensive to grow. You want to give the land a break every 3-4 years or no amount of fertilizer will help. Growing soybeans actually ends up being a net increase in land enrichment. Couple this with Corn being as close to the root cause of all evil that I can come up with and I don't really think we need to worry about this. If corn crops aren't good enough to feed people, they have alternatives. High fructose corn syrup is in everything nowadays. Some might point out how obesity has gone up since they started replacing sugar as a sweetener (it's more expensive since it grows in less places) with it. Others might point out how a large percentage of the population has a mild corn allergy and can't process it and wonder why we even bother with the darn crop. If you killed off all the corn on the planet we could switch to other crops and probably be better off. Very few things would suffer greatly.
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I can't believe you actually fall for that crap. How does moving industry over to india and china where they can pollute as much as they like helpful to the environment, even if the life sustaining gas of CO2 was deadly poison and actually did cause measurable warming which actually did cause catastrophe? How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation? How does the consolidation of corrupt unelected power helpful to anyone? How is the total plunder of and looting of our country, and debt enslavement of our children helpful?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
How does the consolidation of corrupt unelected power helpful to anyone?
It doesn't. or It isn't. Depending on what you meant to write. Which existing corrupt unelected powers are to be consolidated? Is there a link to an agreement?
Bob Emmett
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I can't believe you actually fall for that crap. How does moving industry over to india and china where they can pollute as much as they like helpful to the environment, even if the life sustaining gas of CO2 was deadly poison and actually did cause measurable warming which actually did cause catastrophe? How does double-tripling-quadrupling-++ of food prices (among everything else) helpful to anyone? Especially those hundreds of millions already on the edge of starvation? How does the consolidation of corrupt unelected power helpful to anyone? How is the total plunder of and looting of our country, and debt enslavement of our children helpful?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^]
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Problem with all this is that Corn is a horrible crop. Seriously. In order for it to grow as fast as it does it needs more nutrients than any other crop. Not a little bit more either. It sucks the land dry and they have to constantly replenish the land with fertilzer. The net result is that corn is just plain expensive to grow. You want to give the land a break every 3-4 years or no amount of fertilizer will help. Growing soybeans actually ends up being a net increase in land enrichment. Couple this with Corn being as close to the root cause of all evil that I can come up with and I don't really think we need to worry about this. If corn crops aren't good enough to feed people, they have alternatives. High fructose corn syrup is in everything nowadays. Some might point out how obesity has gone up since they started replacing sugar as a sweetener (it's more expensive since it grows in less places) with it. Others might point out how a large percentage of the population has a mild corn allergy and can't process it and wonder why we even bother with the darn crop. If you killed off all the corn on the planet we could switch to other crops and probably be better off. Very few things would suffer greatly.
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Problem with all this is that Corn is a horrible crop. Seriously. In order for it to grow as fast as it does it needs more nutrients than any other crop. Not a little bit more either. It sucks the land dry and they have to constantly replenish the land with fertilzer. The net result is that corn is just plain expensive to grow. You want to give the land a break every 3-4 years or no amount of fertilizer will help. Growing soybeans actually ends up being a net increase in land enrichment. Couple this with Corn being as close to the root cause of all evil that I can come up with and I don't really think we need to worry about this. If corn crops aren't good enough to feed people, they have alternatives. High fructose corn syrup is in everything nowadays. Some might point out how obesity has gone up since they started replacing sugar as a sweetener (it's more expensive since it grows in less places) with it. Others might point out how a large percentage of the population has a mild corn allergy and can't process it and wonder why we even bother with the darn crop. If you killed off all the corn on the planet we could switch to other crops and probably be better off. Very few things would suffer greatly.
Yes, very well put. Fuel from corn is insane, and yes, corn is a gross feeder and requires more fertiliser than any other crop I can think of. I have stopped growing it at home, I'd rather pay 30 cents an ear when it's harvest time, than pay the cost of growing it to my soil. This is also why corn as fuel is in fact a loss in terms of CO2 and oil use. The corn lobby in the US is the only reason such an insane path has been taken.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.