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Why Intel Virtualization sucks today

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  • L LloydA111

    Thats weird. How do you know that the OS disagrees with it? Are you using a VM?

    If everything was not true, would it be not true that everything is not true? So by saying everything is not true, you are automatically denying that everything is not true. Useful links:
    Creating a bootable CD with several operating systems on.

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    0x3c0
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    I know the OS disagrees with it because the BIOS tells me that virtualization is enabled, while every program I know of tells me that virtualization isn't present

    OSDev :)

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      I know the OS disagrees with it because the BIOS tells me that virtualization is enabled, while every program I know of tells me that virtualization isn't present

      OSDev :)

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      Oh yeah, I missed that bit the fist time I read your post, sorry. I don't have a clue whats going wrong with it, could it be a partly fault CPU?

      If everything was not true, would it be not true that everything is not true? So by saying everything is not true, you are automatically denying that everything is not true. My operating system kernel the first time it booted :) Creating a bootable CD with several operating systems on.

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        I know the OS disagrees with it because the BIOS tells me that virtualization is enabled, while every program I know of tells me that virtualization isn't present

        OSDev :)

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        Normally a program would use CPUID for that, the OS would have nothing to do with it

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          harold aptroot wrote:

          Attempt at proof: Intel-VT is much newer than XP, so XP can not have explicit support for it, but it works anyway.

          But can't the OS have new drivers? I've run Windows Update, and it's not picked up anything.

          harold aptroot wrote:

          So I blame your BIOS (have you updated it?)

          No, but the option is in there, and it's switched on. The OS just disagrees with it.

          OSDev :)

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          VT-x does not require any drivers, nor do they exist, and I don't run Windows Update but VirtualBox can use VT-x anyway

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            I decided to go out and buy a new processor a few days ago, and went for the Core 2 Duo E7600. I was assured, and continue to be assured by the official processor specifications and my BIOS that I've got a processor capable of virtualization. It seems that somehow, I've managed to buy a processor which has my BIOS and OS disagreeing. According to the MS tool, Intel tool, Everest and CPU-Z, I haven't got virtualization. So far, I'm getting a little irritated. I paid about £100 for the processor, and the virtualization features were a major feature when I bought it. Does anybody know how I can make the OS agree with me?

            OSDev :)

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            Flash your BIOS if there's a newer version available and update your motherboard drivers. Just 'cause the BIOS says it's there and on doesn't mean it adheres to up-to-date standards. Cheers, Drew.

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              Normally a program would use CPUID for that, the OS would have nothing to do with it

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              That's what confuses me. I'm assuming that it's a BIOS glitch, but I'm not sure.

              OSDev :)

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                Flash your BIOS if there's a newer version available and update your motherboard drivers. Just 'cause the BIOS says it's there and on doesn't mean it adheres to up-to-date standards. Cheers, Drew.

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                Thanks, I'm about to try that. I think I've got an interesting few days ahead of me.

                OSDev :)

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                  That's what confuses me. I'm assuming that it's a BIOS glitch, but I'm not sure.

                  OSDev :)

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                  Have you gone into device manager and had it scan for new hardware (expand the computer node and see if it is even the correct class of device, and see if it needs it's driver sw updated)? I don't think XP will automatically detect the chip change...

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                  • R Rob Graham

                    Have you gone into device manager and had it scan for new hardware (expand the computer node and see if it is even the correct class of device, and see if it needs it's driver sw updated)? I don't think XP will automatically detect the chip change...

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                    I have. Windows 7 automatically detected the new processor, and everything's matching up to the real hardware, apart from the absence of virtualization.

                    OSDev :)

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                      I decided to go out and buy a new processor a few days ago, and went for the Core 2 Duo E7600. I was assured, and continue to be assured by the official processor specifications and my BIOS that I've got a processor capable of virtualization. It seems that somehow, I've managed to buy a processor which has my BIOS and OS disagreeing. According to the MS tool, Intel tool, Everest and CPU-Z, I haven't got virtualization. So far, I'm getting a little irritated. I paid about £100 for the processor, and the virtualization features were a major feature when I bought it. Does anybody know how I can make the OS agree with me?

                      OSDev :)

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                      The CPU, chipset (motherboard), and BIOS all have to support VT. The OS does not matter as long as the VMM will run in the host OS. According to: Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E7600 "Intel® Virtualization Technology requires a computer system with a processor, chipset, BIOS, virtual machine monitor (VMM) and for some uses, certain platform software, enabled for it. Functionality, performance or other benefit will vary depending on hardware and software configurations." I have written several articles on the subject but the current marketing and specific technical information seems a little thin. I have had queries from readers about this too and I am trying to get some more information from Intel.

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                        Thanks, I'm about to try that. I think I've got an interesting few days ahead of me.

                        OSDev :)

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                        what Drew said.

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                        • L Lost User

                          Flash your BIOS if there's a newer version available and update your motherboard drivers. Just 'cause the BIOS says it's there and on doesn't mean it adheres to up-to-date standards. Cheers, Drew.

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                          0x3c0
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                          Thanks for the tip. It's working now; I can run Virtual PC. :)

                          OSDev :)

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