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  • L Lost User

    So why isn't year 0 the first year of the decade?

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    Richard Andrew x64
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    Simply, because the calendar never started with the year 0. People didn't walk around saying March 1, 0. The calendar started with year 1. So that's why decades, and centuries, and millenia all begin with 1.

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      12am to 12:59am is the FIRST hour of the day but it is not 1. It is before 1. Same with the beginning of time.

      My reality check bounced.

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      But the first year is the first year, i.e. Year 1, NOT year 0. Let's say you have a child who was born 1 Jan 2001. On 1 Jan 2010, they will celebrate their 9th birthday. On that day they will begin their 10th year of life, not their 9th, Even though they are only 9 years old. At the END of 2010 they will have COMPLETED their 10th year. Year 1 = 2001 Year 2 = 2002 ... Year 9 = 2009 Year 10 = 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero[^]

      -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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      • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

        Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey

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        Richard Andrew x64 wrote:

        Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade

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        • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

          Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey

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          Great, so when other people say, the twenty-tens, you'll say, no it's the twenty-eleven through the twenty-twenty.... I'm trying to care, I'm trying to.... ah fuck it. Who gives a shit?

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          • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

            Simply, because the calendar never started with the year 0. People didn't walk around saying March 1, 0. The calendar started with year 1. So that's why decades, and centuries, and millenia all begin with 1.

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            Luc Pattyn
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            Richard Andrew x64 wrote:

            People didn't walk around saying March 1, 0.

            Hmm. The year before that, (or even one or two years before March 1, 1), they weren't saying March 1, -1 either. Does that prove anything? :|

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              Great, so when other people say, the twenty-tens, you'll say, no it's the twenty-eleven through the twenty-twenty.... I'm trying to care, I'm trying to.... ah fuck it. Who gives a shit?

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              Maybe it requires having argued about 0 and 1 based indexes for too long in college to get a kick out of this.

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              • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                Simply, because the calendar never started with the year 0. People didn't walk around saying March 1, 0. The calendar started with year 1. So that's why decades, and centuries, and millenia all begin with 1.

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                People didn't walk around saying March 1, 1 either, they thought it was 753AUC or something like that

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                  Great, so when other people say, the twenty-tens, you'll say, no it's the twenty-eleven through the twenty-twenty.... I'm trying to care, I'm trying to.... ah fuck it. Who gives a shit?

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                  Sean Cundiff
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                  Joe Woodbury wrote:

                  Who gives a sh*t?

                  I certainly don't. I just like arguing. I don't have anything better to do today. ;P

                  -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                  • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                    Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey

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                    Year 1 is the first year, but it starts at year 0. Therefore, 2010 is the BEGINNING of the next decade.

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                    • L Lost User

                      So why isn't year 0 the first year of the decade?

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                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero[^]

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                        Year 1 is the first year, but it starts at year 0. Therefore, 2010 is the BEGINNING of the next decade.

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                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                        Year 1 is the first year, but it starts at year 0.

                        What?

                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                        Therefore, 2010 is the BEGINNING of the next decade.

                        Wrong.

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                        • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                          Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey

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                          Decade - from Merriam Webster Online Dictionary

                          1 : a group or set of 10: as a : a period of 10 years b : a division of the rosary that consists primarily of 10 Hail Marys
                          2 : a ratio of 10 to 1 : order of magnitude

                          Technically, you can start where ever you want its just a group of 10. I blame VH1 for all the confusion, damn I love the 80's...

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                            Richard Andrew x64 wrote:

                            People didn't walk around saying March 1, 0.

                            Hmm. The year before that, (or even one or two years before March 1, 1), they weren't saying March 1, -1 either. Does that prove anything? :|

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                            Luc Pattyn wrote:

                            Does that prove anything?

                            You are correct. What you have said proves absolutely nothing.

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                              People didn't walk around saying March 1, 1 either, they thought it was 753AUC or something like that

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                              Well, the first Christians walked around saying it was year 1.

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                              • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                                The world is full of people who believe incorrect things. When he says that mathematics is subject to individualism, he's wrong. When he implies that just because lots of people believe the wrong thing, that that makes it true, he's wrong again.

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                                And when he makes the argument that people didn't count from a year that couldn't have occurred under a calender system which assumed it to be a few hundred years in the past they're what exactly? Simply put, 90-99, the 90s, a decade, and some basic sense of organization. That said, there are two decades difference between my sisters and myself, those two did not start on a 0 or a 1, and yet, they were still decades as it was two sets of ten distinct years between us. It's an arbitrary grouping of ten years, not something cast in stone set since the beginning of us bothering to measure time.

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                                  Richard Andrew x64 wrote:

                                  People didn't walk around saying March 1, 0.

                                  Hmm. The year before that, (or even one or two years before March 1, 1), they weren't saying March 1, -1 either. Does that prove anything? :|

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                                  Sean Cundiff
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                                  No, they were saying something like: It's March the first year of King Richard's reign. Or something like that. Even though King/Queen X hadn't completed the first year of their rule, They were currently IN the FIRST YEAR.

                                  -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                                    But the first year is the first year, i.e. Year 1, NOT year 0. Let's say you have a child who was born 1 Jan 2001. On 1 Jan 2010, they will celebrate their 9th birthday. On that day they will begin their 10th year of life, not their 9th, Even though they are only 9 years old. At the END of 2010 they will have COMPLETED their 10th year. Year 1 = 2001 Year 2 = 2002 ... Year 9 = 2009 Year 10 = 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero[^]

                                    -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                                    Sean Cundiff wrote:

                                    Year 1 = 2001

                                    Year 1 of what? Year 1 of the 21st century was 2000. Year 1 of the 90's was 1990. It was the FIRST 90.

                                    My reality check bounced.

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                                      So why isn't year 0 the first year of the decade?

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                                      harold aptroot wrote:

                                      So why isn't year 0 the first year of the decade?

                                      Whay you can’t divide by zero?

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                                        Dirk Higbee wrote:

                                        You weren't born 1 year old were you?

                                        No, you are not 1 year old, but you are living in your FIRST year. The time you take your first breath is the first second of your year 1, not the first second of your year ZERO. It’s exactly the same with the decades: 1970 is in the 70’s because in the first day of 1970 the seconds of the next 1971 are ticking.

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                                        Dirk Higbee
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                                        1970 is in the 70's because it is the FIRST 70.

                                        My reality check bounced.

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                                        • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                                          Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey

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                                          Depends on the calendar you use. Some start at 0 and some start at 1, as you have explained in some of the above threads. This page has some more info. I would guess the calender that says right now is the year 2009 started at year 1.

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