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  • S Sean Cundiff

    But the first year is the first year, i.e. Year 1, NOT year 0. Let's say you have a child who was born 1 Jan 2001. On 1 Jan 2010, they will celebrate their 9th birthday. On that day they will begin their 10th year of life, not their 9th, Even though they are only 9 years old. At the END of 2010 they will have COMPLETED their 10th year. Year 1 = 2001 Year 2 = 2002 ... Year 9 = 2009 Year 10 = 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero[^]

    -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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    Dirk Higbee
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    Sean Cundiff wrote:

    Year 1 = 2001

    Year 1 of what? Year 1 of the 21st century was 2000. Year 1 of the 90's was 1990. It was the FIRST 90.

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      So why isn't year 0 the first year of the decade?

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      harold aptroot wrote:

      So why isn't year 0 the first year of the decade?

      Whay you can’t divide by zero?

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      • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

        Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey

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        Depends on the calendar you use. Some start at 0 and some start at 1, as you have explained in some of the above threads. This page has some more info. I would guess the calender that says right now is the year 2009 started at year 1.

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        • S Single Step Debugger

          Dirk Higbee wrote:

          You weren't born 1 year old were you?

          No, you are not 1 year old, but you are living in your FIRST year. The time you take your first breath is the first second of your year 1, not the first second of your year ZERO. It’s exactly the same with the decades: 1970 is in the 70’s because in the first day of 1970 the seconds of the next 1971 are ticking.

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          1970 is in the 70's because it is the FIRST 70.

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            Sean Cundiff wrote:

            Year 1 = 2001

            Year 1 of what? Year 1 of the 21st century was 2000. Year 1 of the 90's was 1990. It was the FIRST 90.

            My reality check bounced.

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            Dirk Higbee wrote:

            Year 1 of what?

            that child's life. the end of which was the 1st birthday AND the beginning of the 2nd year of life.

            -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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              12am to 12:59am is the FIRST hour of the day but it is not 1. It is before 1. Same with the beginning of time.

              My reality check bounced.

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              Sean Cundiff
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              Dirk Higbee wrote:

              12am to 12:59am is the FIRST hour of the day but it is not 1. It is before 1. Same with the beginning of time.

              Which is why 2010 is the 10th year of the decade. Not the first of the next decade. QED

              -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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              • M Mladen Jankovic

                Richard Andrew x64 wrote:

                Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade

                Not if you're a Real Programmer :)

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                Mladen Jankovic wrote:

                Not if you're a Real Programmer

                No! For example we/the real programmers :-D/ use zero index to access the FIRST element of some array, but it’s still the FIRST not the ZERO element.

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                • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                  Well, the first Christians walked around saying it was year 1.

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                  No, they didn't. It took about 1600 years before it was marked as 1[^]

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                  • C Colin Rae

                    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/decade[^] :)

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                    That literary dictionary is hardly a mathematical authority. :thumbsdown:

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                    • S Sean Cundiff

                      Dirk Higbee wrote:

                      Year 1 of what?

                      that child's life. the end of which was the 1st birthday AND the beginning of the 2nd year of life.

                      -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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                      Sean Cundiff wrote:

                      the beginning of the 2nd year of life.

                      And after 6 months the child will only be 1 1/2 still not 2. The child cannot be 2 until that time has passed. If that time has not passed it is not and cannot be.

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                      • A AspDotNetDev

                        Depends on the calendar you use. Some start at 0 and some start at 1, as you have explained in some of the above threads. This page has some more info. I would guess the calender that says right now is the year 2009 started at year 1.

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                        aspdotnetdev wrote:

                        Depends on the calendar you use. Some start at 0 and some start at 1

                        True. If the gregorian calendar started at zero, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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                        • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                          aspdotnetdev wrote:

                          Depends on the calendar you use. Some start at 0 and some start at 1

                          True. If the gregorian calendar started at zero, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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                          Agreed.

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                          • D Dirk Higbee

                            Richard Andrew x64 wrote:

                            the calendar we use today began at year 1.

                            I'd like to see that calendar.

                            My reality check bounced.

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                            Look at the lower right portion of your task bar. :-D ( If you're using Windows. )

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                            • D Dirk Higbee

                              1970 is in the 70's because it is the FIRST 70.

                              My reality check bounced.

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                              You're confusing figures of speech with mathematical facts. The truth is that 1970 was the last year of the 6th decade of the 20 century.

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                              • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                                Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey

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                                As far as I am concerned (and most other people it would seem), the 1980s ran from 1980 to 1989, the 90s ran from 1990 to 1999 and the noughties from 2000 to 2009. So Jan 1st 2010 is the start of a new decade (the tens?). Surely a 'decade' is just a period of ten years, so I think your argument is flawed - 1995 to 2005 was a decade for example. By your reasoning the decade of the 1990s ran from 1991 to 2000 which, let's face it, is just daft. As for your Arthur C. Clarke assertion, that was an argument about the start of 21st century, which should indeed of been celebrated on Jan 1st 2001 (I'm pretty sure the Victorians got it right and celebrated the start of the 20th century on Jan 1st 1901.)

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                                  No, they didn't. It took about 1600 years before it was marked as 1[^]

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                                  OK Fine. But that is another subject entirely.

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                                  • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                                    Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey

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                                    So what decade year 0 in?

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                                      So what decade year 0 in?

                                      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                                      AspDotNetDev
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                                      See this discussion (in some calendars, there is a year 0, but in others there is not).

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                                      • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

                                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                        Year 1 is the first year, but it starts at year 0.

                                        What?

                                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                        Therefore, 2010 is the BEGINNING of the next decade.

                                        Wrong.

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                                        Richard Andrew x64 wrote:

                                        Wrong.

                                        Right. 2010 - 2019 is a ten year period, hence it's a decade. It will probably be known as the 'tens', perhaps the 'teens' (though that would be a little harsh on 2010, 2011 and 2012). 2020 - 2029 will be a decade known as the 'twenties' and so it goes. Good luck convincing people otherwise! ;)

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                                          Sean Cundiff wrote:

                                          the beginning of the 2nd year of life.

                                          And after 6 months the child will only be 1 1/2 still not 2. The child cannot be 2 until that time has passed. If that time has not passed it is not and cannot be.

                                          My reality check bounced.

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                                          Dirk Higbee wrote:

                                          And after 6 months the child will only be 1 1/2 still not 2

                                          CORRECT. They will have COMPLETED 1.5 years of life. They will not have COMPLETED 2 years of life. They will, however, still be in their SECOND year of life.

                                          -Sean ---- Fire Nuts

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