The new decade
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As far as I am concerned (and most other people it would seem), the 1980s ran from 1980 to 1989, the 90s ran from 1990 to 1999 and the noughties from 2000 to 2009. So Jan 1st 2010 is the start of a new decade (the tens?). Surely a 'decade' is just a period of ten years, so I think your argument is flawed - 1995 to 2005 was a decade for example. By your reasoning the decade of the 1990s ran from 1991 to 2000 which, let's face it, is just daft. As for your Arthur C. Clarke assertion, that was an argument about the start of 21st century, which should indeed of been celebrated on Jan 1st 2001 (I'm pretty sure the Victorians got it right and celebrated the start of the 20th century on Jan 1st 1901.)
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Year 1 is the first year, but it starts at year 0. Therefore, 2010 is the BEGINNING of the next decade.
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001Correct. Everything starts at 0 or it wouldn't have a beginning.
My reality check bounced.
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Nop, you're wrong. Look again. This is what he wrote: - Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade He's using 1-based index, not 0-based and to us, Real Programmers and especially JSOP, that's wrong. ;)
Try to use a simple graph to visualize your statement and you will fail.
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Please don't confuse figures of speech and idioms with mathematics. Just because we say things like "the seventies" or "the eighties" doesn't change the math of it all. Answer these questions: How many years in a decade? A. 10 Starting at 1, what are the years numbered as? A. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 See that 10 is the last year of the decade? See how the next decade doesn't begin until 11?
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
How many years in a decade? A. 10
Starting at 5 what are the years numbered as? 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14 The decade begins and ends with your reference.
My reality check bounced.
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maybe not, but what authority do you show (my understanding agrees with yours, but I can't give a reference) Is it possible that the first decade only had 9 years? :wtf:
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RichardM1 wrote:
Is it possible that the first decade only had 9 years?
I'm not sure what you mean. I appreciate you pointing out that you agree. Isn't it amazing how vehemently people will defend a position that's outright wrong?
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:
So what decade year 0 in?
None, there is no year 0, 0 is the start point for the first year. If you have a straight line with a several segments the segment 1 starts from zero to something, but you don’t have a zero segment.
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That depends on the scheme used for the year number. A.D. scheme may begin at 1 but I see no reason that other calenders must.
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LOL! Yeah, they were all programmers and gave a crap about the details! I bet it didn't matter to most people. They were going to do something today, in a couple of days, next week, not at 2010.02.15 12:33:45 UTC.
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Most people used the moon to mark time. The Pagans did. A lot of rituals involving the moon's passage are still in evidence today. Others involved the sun and so you get a weird mix of the two often. Heck, some hats have been found that are very accurate Lunar calendars even 3K+ years later. The Romans wanted the seasons to fall in with a calendar for businesses. Once again we can blame the Romans for screwing up something by incorporating it into their system.
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That depends on the scheme used for the year number. A.D. scheme may begin at 1 but I see no reason that other calenders must.
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Then we need to start using them. This will instantly make all of us “Gregorians” one year younger.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
How many years in a decade? A. 10
Starting at 5 what are the years numbered as? 5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14 The decade begins and ends with your reference.
My reality check bounced.
Dirk Higbee wrote:
The decade begins and ends with your reference.
Now you're beginning to get it!!!! And since the calendar starts with 1, the decades all start with 1!!!!!
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Try to use a simple graph to visualize your statement and you will fail.
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Obiously we're not arguing the same thing. I was saying that Dionysius Exiguus[^], wasn't a Real Programmer. If he was, he would name the first year AD 0 not AD 1.
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RichardM1 wrote:
Is it possible that the first decade only had 9 years?
I'm not sure what you mean. I appreciate you pointing out that you agree. Isn't it amazing how vehemently people will defend a position that's outright wrong?
I understand that the first year was 1. I understand that 2001 was the start of a new century. I also see definitions of decade that reference x0-x9, but none that reference year 1-year 10 (other than as an arbitrary grouping). If the definition of decade is x0-x9, then it stands that the first decade was only 9 years, no? (as well as the last BC) To me that shows a problem with the x0-x9 argument.
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Dirk Higbee wrote:
The decade begins and ends with your reference.
Now you're beginning to get it!!!! And since the calendar starts with 1, the decades all start with 1!!!!!
The calendar started at one but time did not. Time started at zero. That is why we don't count decades your way.
My reality check bounced.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Year 1 is the first year, but it starts at year 0.
What?
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Therefore, 2010 is the BEGINNING of the next decade.
Wrong.
In 2010, you'll be in the first year of the new decade. The reason is the same as for centuries. Year 0 was the 1st year, and that's why we're in the 21st century. right now. In other words, year counting is 0-based, just like arrays in real programming languages. The only people that really have a problem with this concept is people who started their programming careers with a VB job.
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"The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001 -
Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey
I don't care so much whether it's true or not but.... Your argument is self consistent at least, but did you know that if the the 1st year of the decade was 2000 (instead of 2001 as you implied) the last would be 2009, thus proving your opponents? Therefore I hope you'll understand that the 1st year of the new decade is entirely a matter of convention, and not a topic of logic at all. It's not event a topic for pedantic, mm... maybe dictionary pedantic... and even so, dictionary definition change over time, the meaning of words being no more than what the majority think it does... Anywhere, where was I? I was just irked by your supposed "logical argument" for something which has nothing to do with logic. Your wrong use of logic apart I have no care for the begining of the next decade! ;P If I had to choose I will choose 2010, as I just started to beat a life long chronic disease, next year is a fitting time for a new decade! :)
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Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11
Exactly. 2000 was the final year of the 20th Century, NOT the 1st year of the 21st. :thumbsup:
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11
Exactly. 2000 was the final year of the 20th Century, NOT the 1st year of the 21st. :thumbsup:
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Out of interest, did you celebrate it as such?
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Out of interest, did you celebrate it as such?
I don't recall celebrating either 2000 or 2001 any more or less than I do any other new year. :~ Still, I personally considered 2001 to be the first year of the 21st century.
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Since so many otherwise intelligent people made snarky remarks about my assertion that the decade begins in 2011, not 2010, I will explain it quite simply as follows: Premise: There are TEN years in a decade Year 1 is the FIRST year of the decade Year 2 is the SECOND year of the decade Year 3 is the THIRD year of the decade . . . Year 9 is the NINTH year of the decade and here's the important part: Year 10 is the TENTH year of the decade, meaning that the new decade doesn't begin until Year 11. That means that 2010 is the TENTH year of the FIRST decade of the 2000's. The second decade will not begin until 2011. Arthur C. Clarke knew the truth, and that is why he named his book 2001 A Space Odyssey, not 2000 A Space Odyssey
Except that ISO 8601 recognizes year 0000 as the first positive year as is correct. Only Luddites avoid year 0000.
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Dirk Higbee wrote:
Certainly 1970 is not part of the 60's or it wouldn't have a seven in it.
:laugh: You clearly didn't live through the 60s, or 1970. The 60s lasted until roughly the mid 70s. (oxymoronically enough) ;P
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Yes, and the Twentieth Century began in the late 1800s.
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Mladen Jankovic wrote:
Not if you're a Real Programmer
No! For example we/the real programmers :-D/ use zero index to access the FIRST element of some array, but it’s still the FIRST not the ZERO element.
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Ahem, that would be the zeroth element. If, in Pascal for instance, I define an array with indices from -5 to +5 the first element is at index -5; there is no reason to associate the concept of "first" with an index of 1. The first year of the Gregorian Calendar began in 1582.
