good and bad articles
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Every day I connect I see at least 4 to 8 new articles in approval. After some hundreds of those, about 80% don't pass the "Is this an article ?" test: pure code dumps (sometime with even the template sample text removed) some set of pictures, some "I am new to code-project so plz excuse my (place whatever language but English here)" (Do you know articles life is five or even ten years? what is the meaning of "new" to someone reading your article 5 years later?) etc. etc. Curiously, 80% of those 80% are form India (or self-saying Indians: I didn't attempt any geolocation ...) Moral of the story: what the hell is happening in India that's making the people unable in writing? It was not that way just until 2-3 years ago! The impression is that there is a (sort of) perverted process that's making people nervous about publishing, pressing them to publish "something doesn't matter what". The result is a huge number of "articles" thrown in the wastebasket after ten golds voting 1. Ok for the codeproject, but what is the "social" aspect in the background causing all that?!?
2 bugs found. > recompile ... 65534 bugs found. :doh:
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Every day I connect I see at least 4 to 8 new articles in approval. After some hundreds of those, about 80% don't pass the "Is this an article ?" test: pure code dumps (sometime with even the template sample text removed) some set of pictures, some "I am new to code-project so plz excuse my (place whatever language but English here)" (Do you know articles life is five or even ten years? what is the meaning of "new" to someone reading your article 5 years later?) etc. etc. Curiously, 80% of those 80% are form India (or self-saying Indians: I didn't attempt any geolocation ...) Moral of the story: what the hell is happening in India that's making the people unable in writing? It was not that way just until 2-3 years ago! The impression is that there is a (sort of) perverted process that's making people nervous about publishing, pressing them to publish "something doesn't matter what". The result is a huge number of "articles" thrown in the wastebasket after ten golds voting 1. Ok for the codeproject, but what is the "social" aspect in the background causing all that?!?
2 bugs found. > recompile ... 65534 bugs found. :doh:
It's difficult to ignore the language barrier. But it's also easy to use article ratings if EVERYBODY who reads, and then evaluates an article DOES apply a rating. Lately every time I log on, I do rate at least one article, to try and prevent rating rot. However I do agree with your sentiment Emilio. I've not published anything on Codeproject myself, mainly to avoid the possible backlash from the ecosystem.
Conrad - The world waits for you to stick your neck out, it's not easy. But once you actually stand up, you do get noticed. http://www.plcsimulator.org/
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Every day I connect I see at least 4 to 8 new articles in approval. After some hundreds of those, about 80% don't pass the "Is this an article ?" test: pure code dumps (sometime with even the template sample text removed) some set of pictures, some "I am new to code-project so plz excuse my (place whatever language but English here)" (Do you know articles life is five or even ten years? what is the meaning of "new" to someone reading your article 5 years later?) etc. etc. Curiously, 80% of those 80% are form India (or self-saying Indians: I didn't attempt any geolocation ...) Moral of the story: what the hell is happening in India that's making the people unable in writing? It was not that way just until 2-3 years ago! The impression is that there is a (sort of) perverted process that's making people nervous about publishing, pressing them to publish "something doesn't matter what". The result is a huge number of "articles" thrown in the wastebasket after ten golds voting 1. Ok for the codeproject, but what is the "social" aspect in the background causing all that?!?
2 bugs found. > recompile ... 65534 bugs found. :doh:
We have the language problem, that's the main reason. But at-least they are trying to publish an article. That is very good. You can ask them to publish the article as Tips / Tricks if its lacking an explanation. or you can also suggest them a co-author who can help them. If you take a look at my member profile, I am here since many years but I am not able to interact due to language problem. so It takes a while to get familiar with the new language. I have studied in the native (non-English) language in the school and they teach English also. so I can read/understand English very well, just I cannot explain/speak very well because I never get a chance to speak anywhere. If you see the message boards, there are lots of post where people from India cannot explain their answers very well, its not like they don't want to, but they cannot. so in that case we need a quick QA like "Improve Answer" functionality in the message boards. So If we take an example of China then, they have large community of developers why you are not seeing anybody here ? they also have language problem. because they have their own website of almost everything in their own language, while we don't have it in India. so either CP community, have to understand the problem or just ignore them. I don't mean to offend anybody, just want to explain the problem. because I have seen lots of threads like this that, people get frustrated by the Articles/Post/Questions/Threads by Indians . even threads where people linking to the questions asked by Indian and making fun of them, in most of those kind of threads the arguments are just lame that how that post sucks. I hope that everybody will understand. :)
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We have the language problem, that's the main reason. But at-least they are trying to publish an article. That is very good. You can ask them to publish the article as Tips / Tricks if its lacking an explanation. or you can also suggest them a co-author who can help them. If you take a look at my member profile, I am here since many years but I am not able to interact due to language problem. so It takes a while to get familiar with the new language. I have studied in the native (non-English) language in the school and they teach English also. so I can read/understand English very well, just I cannot explain/speak very well because I never get a chance to speak anywhere. If you see the message boards, there are lots of post where people from India cannot explain their answers very well, its not like they don't want to, but they cannot. so in that case we need a quick QA like "Improve Answer" functionality in the message boards. So If we take an example of China then, they have large community of developers why you are not seeing anybody here ? they also have language problem. because they have their own website of almost everything in their own language, while we don't have it in India. so either CP community, have to understand the problem or just ignore them. I don't mean to offend anybody, just want to explain the problem. because I have seen lots of threads like this that, people get frustrated by the Articles/Post/Questions/Threads by Indians . even threads where people linking to the questions asked by Indian and making fun of them, in most of those kind of threads the arguments are just lame that how that post sucks. I hope that everybody will understand. :)
I'm not an English native as you, and I cannot even understand your native language, but your English -as mine, as well- although not "perfect" is clearly understandable. My impression is that the problem is more subtle: The articles I'm talking about are not "unreadable" in an English grammar sense. Simply they are not "articles" (yes, in many cases I suggest to post as tips/tricks, not as article). They looks much more as SMS saying "I did this. if you like it get it". No explanation is given. Probably the sender thinks to talk to someone that already knows what they're sending about. (like if their code is an answer to somebody else question: the problem is that "somebody" is mis-known to everybody else) Hence, my doubt: does the world "article" in a "English speaking Indian native" common sense have a difference semantic meaning than in a western common sense? In case that's the problem (we both talks about "articles" but we are at the same time thinking to different things), we have probably to find a way to explain what the difference is so that the intended meaning can be understood. Or, may be this is another reason, is the Indian community (for reasons unknown to me) somehow forced to publish "articles" so that everyone is rushing to push the article "post" button?
2 bugs found. > recompile ... 65534 bugs found. :doh:
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I'm not an English native as you, and I cannot even understand your native language, but your English -as mine, as well- although not "perfect" is clearly understandable. My impression is that the problem is more subtle: The articles I'm talking about are not "unreadable" in an English grammar sense. Simply they are not "articles" (yes, in many cases I suggest to post as tips/tricks, not as article). They looks much more as SMS saying "I did this. if you like it get it". No explanation is given. Probably the sender thinks to talk to someone that already knows what they're sending about. (like if their code is an answer to somebody else question: the problem is that "somebody" is mis-known to everybody else) Hence, my doubt: does the world "article" in a "English speaking Indian native" common sense have a difference semantic meaning than in a western common sense? In case that's the problem (we both talks about "articles" but we are at the same time thinking to different things), we have probably to find a way to explain what the difference is so that the intended meaning can be understood. Or, may be this is another reason, is the Indian community (for reasons unknown to me) somehow forced to publish "articles" so that everyone is rushing to push the article "post" button?
2 bugs found. > recompile ... 65534 bugs found. :doh:
I don't think ability to write English (good or bad) has anything to do with this[^]. I have seen a number of articles where the English has been somewhere between average and poor, and yet the article itself was worth publishing because the author had worked hard at getting it right. The overall detail was understandable, the examples were clear, and the formatting in line with the standards. In the 'bad' articles it seems mostly to be pure laziness, in that posters make no effort to read the guidelines or look at other articles to get a feel for what it should look like. Far too many seem to press the publish button and never even look at the finished product to get an idea of what it would look like to anyone else. However, I am reluctant to vote for restrictions on publishing as I think that would go against the philosophy of The Code Project, which is 'open to all'.
MVP 2010 - are they mad?
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Every day I connect I see at least 4 to 8 new articles in approval. After some hundreds of those, about 80% don't pass the "Is this an article ?" test: pure code dumps (sometime with even the template sample text removed) some set of pictures, some "I am new to code-project so plz excuse my (place whatever language but English here)" (Do you know articles life is five or even ten years? what is the meaning of "new" to someone reading your article 5 years later?) etc. etc. Curiously, 80% of those 80% are form India (or self-saying Indians: I didn't attempt any geolocation ...) Moral of the story: what the hell is happening in India that's making the people unable in writing? It was not that way just until 2-3 years ago! The impression is that there is a (sort of) perverted process that's making people nervous about publishing, pressing them to publish "something doesn't matter what". The result is a huge number of "articles" thrown in the wastebasket after ten golds voting 1. Ok for the codeproject, but what is the "social" aspect in the background causing all that?!?
2 bugs found. > recompile ... 65534 bugs found. :doh:
Sadly its laziness.. Ive seen it too many times in the quality of code, the cuts and pastes off the internet, the "Code this for me plze" forum questions... Its not just Indians, its mostly from that type of coder that "thinks" they are an expert. Some people just cannot be bothered to take the time to produce a quality solution off their own backs, they much rather fudge it and kludge, pulling code from here and there it until it "just works". Sadly this is the approach that most managers in business accept because it tends to be the cheapest option.
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Every day I connect I see at least 4 to 8 new articles in approval. After some hundreds of those, about 80% don't pass the "Is this an article ?" test: pure code dumps (sometime with even the template sample text removed) some set of pictures, some "I am new to code-project so plz excuse my (place whatever language but English here)" (Do you know articles life is five or even ten years? what is the meaning of "new" to someone reading your article 5 years later?) etc. etc. Curiously, 80% of those 80% are form India (or self-saying Indians: I didn't attempt any geolocation ...) Moral of the story: what the hell is happening in India that's making the people unable in writing? It was not that way just until 2-3 years ago! The impression is that there is a (sort of) perverted process that's making people nervous about publishing, pressing them to publish "something doesn't matter what". The result is a huge number of "articles" thrown in the wastebasket after ten golds voting 1. Ok for the codeproject, but what is the "social" aspect in the background causing all that?!?
2 bugs found. > recompile ... 65534 bugs found. :doh:
Here is my suspicion: universities in India require their students to post an article on a tech site in order to pass a course. Sadly, there is no requirement that the article not suck. :(
Best wishes, Hans
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Here is my suspicion: universities in India require their students to post an article on a tech site in order to pass a course. Sadly, there is no requirement that the article not suck. :(
Best wishes, Hans
My suspicion as well. Apart from being able to say that you are "published", which is not strictly true; only the serious contributor will use the criticism to improve their publishing skills. I suppose it's the problem with all students, they know too much :-)
Conrad - The world waits for you to stick your neck out, it's not easy. But once you actually stand up, you do get noticed. http://www.plcsimulator.org/