Any Linux users out there [modified]
-
I know I might get flamed, but I need some expert opinions on what version/flavor of Linux I should go with. My boss wants to see how far we can get with Linux on our machines. I've done some looking on the internet and I think my top two are Ubuntu and OpenSolaris. I've loaded them into virtual machines to play with them. First impression is they are the same OS with different themes applied. I know there is more to them than that, but I don't konw how long it will take to discover what the differences are. I tried looking for comparisons on the web, but everything is from a couple years ago. Does anyone have experience to know what the differences are or why one is better than the other? It seems like there is more support for Ubuntu out there. I like the looks of OpenSolaris better. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it. [Edit] Ok, so obviously I didn't read the fine print on OpenSolaris not being Linux. :doh: I apologize for that. :-O Also, when I say machine I'm talking about a PC controlled piece of industrial machinery. First thing I need to do is check if the motion control drivers are in Linux or Unix. That would be the defining factor. [/Edit]
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
modified on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:08 PM
-
I know I might get flamed, but I need some expert opinions on what version/flavor of Linux I should go with. My boss wants to see how far we can get with Linux on our machines. I've done some looking on the internet and I think my top two are Ubuntu and OpenSolaris. I've loaded them into virtual machines to play with them. First impression is they are the same OS with different themes applied. I know there is more to them than that, but I don't konw how long it will take to discover what the differences are. I tried looking for comparisons on the web, but everything is from a couple years ago. Does anyone have experience to know what the differences are or why one is better than the other? It seems like there is more support for Ubuntu out there. I like the looks of OpenSolaris better. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it. [Edit] Ok, so obviously I didn't read the fine print on OpenSolaris not being Linux. :doh: I apologize for that. :-O Also, when I say machine I'm talking about a PC controlled piece of industrial machinery. First thing I need to do is check if the motion control drivers are in Linux or Unix. That would be the defining factor. [/Edit]
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
modified on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:08 PM
BRShroyer wrote:
Ubuntu and OpenSolaris
Well, for one OpenSolaris isn't Linux. Not saying it's a bad choice, but just being geeky here. It's a Unix-variant. Now, if you wanna go the Unix route, I'd strongly recommend FreeBSD. And Linux isn't Unix... although it borrowed heavily from it. Once you get past all the hoopla, the main benefit you'll get from Linux compared to a Unix-variant is driver support for a lot of different hardware. Now, for servers this doesn't matter, but for desktops its helpful. So, even if you did go the Unix-variant route, you still may want to consider Linux for client machines. But, for Linux, the only distros I've used recently have been Ubuntu and Debian. Personally, I'd save Ubuntu for just a desktop install, but that's just me. I did have issues with my Debian server at times, but I blame that on faulty hardware. Outside of that, it ran reasonably well, and has a good packaging system. Perhaps someone else that has used another distro recently can add to this.
Jeremy Falcon
-
I know I might get flamed, but I need some expert opinions on what version/flavor of Linux I should go with. My boss wants to see how far we can get with Linux on our machines. I've done some looking on the internet and I think my top two are Ubuntu and OpenSolaris. I've loaded them into virtual machines to play with them. First impression is they are the same OS with different themes applied. I know there is more to them than that, but I don't konw how long it will take to discover what the differences are. I tried looking for comparisons on the web, but everything is from a couple years ago. Does anyone have experience to know what the differences are or why one is better than the other? It seems like there is more support for Ubuntu out there. I like the looks of OpenSolaris better. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it. [Edit] Ok, so obviously I didn't read the fine print on OpenSolaris not being Linux. :doh: I apologize for that. :-O Also, when I say machine I'm talking about a PC controlled piece of industrial machinery. First thing I need to do is check if the motion control drivers are in Linux or Unix. That would be the defining factor. [/Edit]
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
modified on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:08 PM
Whoa boy. Solaris is as different from Linux (eg unbuntu) as both are from BSD or AIX (IBM mainframes); both are unix implementation's but that's all they have in common. Under the hood there's loads of stuff in solaris that's different enough to trip up someone who's only familiar with administering a linux box.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
-
BRShroyer wrote:
Ubuntu and OpenSolaris
Well, for one OpenSolaris isn't Linux. Not saying it's a bad choice, but just being geeky here. It's a Unix-variant. Now, if you wanna go the Unix route, I'd strongly recommend FreeBSD. And Linux isn't Unix... although it borrowed heavily from it. Once you get past all the hoopla, the main benefit you'll get from Linux compared to a Unix-variant is driver support for a lot of different hardware. Now, for servers this doesn't matter, but for desktops its helpful. So, even if you did go the Unix-variant route, you still may want to consider Linux for client machines. But, for Linux, the only distros I've used recently have been Ubuntu and Debian. Personally, I'd save Ubuntu for just a desktop install, but that's just me. I did have issues with my Debian server at times, but I blame that on faulty hardware. Outside of that, it ran reasonably well, and has a good packaging system. Perhaps someone else that has used another distro recently can add to this.
Jeremy Falcon
-
I know I might get flamed, but I need some expert opinions on what version/flavor of Linux I should go with. My boss wants to see how far we can get with Linux on our machines. I've done some looking on the internet and I think my top two are Ubuntu and OpenSolaris. I've loaded them into virtual machines to play with them. First impression is they are the same OS with different themes applied. I know there is more to them than that, but I don't konw how long it will take to discover what the differences are. I tried looking for comparisons on the web, but everything is from a couple years ago. Does anyone have experience to know what the differences are or why one is better than the other? It seems like there is more support for Ubuntu out there. I like the looks of OpenSolaris better. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it. [Edit] Ok, so obviously I didn't read the fine print on OpenSolaris not being Linux. :doh: I apologize for that. :-O Also, when I say machine I'm talking about a PC controlled piece of industrial machinery. First thing I need to do is check if the motion control drivers are in Linux or Unix. That would be the defining factor. [/Edit]
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
modified on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:08 PM
BRShroyer wrote:
My boss wants to see how far we can get with Linux on our machines.
First step in the Installation, if you are lucky.
-
I know I might get flamed, but I need some expert opinions on what version/flavor of Linux I should go with. My boss wants to see how far we can get with Linux on our machines. I've done some looking on the internet and I think my top two are Ubuntu and OpenSolaris. I've loaded them into virtual machines to play with them. First impression is they are the same OS with different themes applied. I know there is more to them than that, but I don't konw how long it will take to discover what the differences are. I tried looking for comparisons on the web, but everything is from a couple years ago. Does anyone have experience to know what the differences are or why one is better than the other? It seems like there is more support for Ubuntu out there. I like the looks of OpenSolaris better. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it. [Edit] Ok, so obviously I didn't read the fine print on OpenSolaris not being Linux. :doh: I apologize for that. :-O Also, when I say machine I'm talking about a PC controlled piece of industrial machinery. First thing I need to do is check if the motion control drivers are in Linux or Unix. That would be the defining factor. [/Edit]
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
modified on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:08 PM
Be aware that OpenSolaris is NOT linux. It's a different kernel. The kernel API is different as is the driver model. I don't know how close OpenSolaris is to regular Solaris, but Solaris had a lot of "big iron" features, like support for hot swappable hardware (drives, I think memory, and CPUs as well), Dtrace, more robust multi-processor support, etc. I'm not a big fan of *nix in general, but I'm guessing if you're comparing quality, then OpenSolaris might be the better bet. That said if you're trying to install end user software, say on a desktop for you're Granny, then Ubuntu might be the way to go.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
-
Isn't Ubuntu still Debian reworked into a Desktop OS for non-power users?
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
Dan Neely wrote:
Isn't Ubuntu still Debian reworked into a Desktop OS for non-power users?
Yeah, but I wouldn't want the extra stuff it comes with taking up space on a server. I mean for Desktop usage no biggy, but you get the idea.
Jeremy Falcon
-
Isn't Ubuntu still Debian reworked into a Desktop OS for non-power users?
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18
-
I know I might get flamed, but I need some expert opinions on what version/flavor of Linux I should go with. My boss wants to see how far we can get with Linux on our machines. I've done some looking on the internet and I think my top two are Ubuntu and OpenSolaris. I've loaded them into virtual machines to play with them. First impression is they are the same OS with different themes applied. I know there is more to them than that, but I don't konw how long it will take to discover what the differences are. I tried looking for comparisons on the web, but everything is from a couple years ago. Does anyone have experience to know what the differences are or why one is better than the other? It seems like there is more support for Ubuntu out there. I like the looks of OpenSolaris better. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it. [Edit] Ok, so obviously I didn't read the fine print on OpenSolaris not being Linux. :doh: I apologize for that. :-O Also, when I say machine I'm talking about a PC controlled piece of industrial machinery. First thing I need to do is check if the motion control drivers are in Linux or Unix. That would be the defining factor. [/Edit]
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
modified on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:08 PM
First of all - for what purpose? If you want to run an Oracle server on it, go with Solaris (which is not Linux, as pointed out). For a desktop workstation, Ubuntu would likely be a better choice. Personally, I use RedHat based systems - CentOS or Fedora. I would pick the former for a server - it is very stable and closely matches RedHat Enterprise. For development I mostly use Fedora nowdays and the reason is that it has a very recent version of gcc, unlike CentOS.
-
I know I might get flamed, but I need some expert opinions on what version/flavor of Linux I should go with. My boss wants to see how far we can get with Linux on our machines. I've done some looking on the internet and I think my top two are Ubuntu and OpenSolaris. I've loaded them into virtual machines to play with them. First impression is they are the same OS with different themes applied. I know there is more to them than that, but I don't konw how long it will take to discover what the differences are. I tried looking for comparisons on the web, but everything is from a couple years ago. Does anyone have experience to know what the differences are or why one is better than the other? It seems like there is more support for Ubuntu out there. I like the looks of OpenSolaris better. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it. [Edit] Ok, so obviously I didn't read the fine print on OpenSolaris not being Linux. :doh: I apologize for that. :-O Also, when I say machine I'm talking about a PC controlled piece of industrial machinery. First thing I need to do is check if the motion control drivers are in Linux or Unix. That would be the defining factor. [/Edit]
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
modified on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:08 PM
-
First of all - for what purpose? If you want to run an Oracle server on it, go with Solaris (which is not Linux, as pointed out). For a desktop workstation, Ubuntu would likely be a better choice. Personally, I use RedHat based systems - CentOS or Fedora. I would pick the former for a server - it is very stable and closely matches RedHat Enterprise. For development I mostly use Fedora nowdays and the reason is that it has a very recent version of gcc, unlike CentOS.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
If you want to run an Oracle server on it, go with Solaris
I think Oracle Enterprise Linux[^] is a better option. I installed Oracle on it rather painlessly. Also it is supported by Oracle (in case support option is a factor).
-
I know I might get flamed, but I need some expert opinions on what version/flavor of Linux I should go with. My boss wants to see how far we can get with Linux on our machines. I've done some looking on the internet and I think my top two are Ubuntu and OpenSolaris. I've loaded them into virtual machines to play with them. First impression is they are the same OS with different themes applied. I know there is more to them than that, but I don't konw how long it will take to discover what the differences are. I tried looking for comparisons on the web, but everything is from a couple years ago. Does anyone have experience to know what the differences are or why one is better than the other? It seems like there is more support for Ubuntu out there. I like the looks of OpenSolaris better. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it. [Edit] Ok, so obviously I didn't read the fine print on OpenSolaris not being Linux. :doh: I apologize for that. :-O Also, when I say machine I'm talking about a PC controlled piece of industrial machinery. First thing I need to do is check if the motion control drivers are in Linux or Unix. That would be the defining factor. [/Edit]
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
modified on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:08 PM
BRShroyer wrote:
Also, when I say machine I'm talking about a PC controlled piece of industrial machinery. First thing I need to do is check if the motion control drivers are in Linux or Unix. That would be the defining factor.
For industrial machine control you might want to consider using Embedded Linux[^] instead of trying to lock down a desktop variant.
-
Isn't OpenSolaris a Sun product? If so, I'd be wary of what Oracle will do with it going forward.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Isn't OpenSolaris a Sun product? If so, I'd be wary of what Oracle will do with it going forward.
I think Solaris is safe with Oracle, given that it is officially the preferred OS for development and deployment of Oracle servers.
-
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Isn't OpenSolaris a Sun product? If so, I'd be wary of what Oracle will do with it going forward.
I think Solaris is safe with Oracle, given that it is officially the preferred OS for development and deployment of Oracle servers.
-
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
If you want to run an Oracle server on it, go with Solaris
I think Oracle Enterprise Linux[^] is a better option. I installed Oracle on it rather painlessly. Also it is supported by Oracle (in case support option is a factor).
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
I think Oracle Enterprise Linux[^] is a better option.
Solaris is officially the preferred platform for Oracle deployments[^]. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Oracle ditches Oracle Enterprise Linux after it acquires Sun.
-
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
I think Oracle Enterprise Linux[^] is a better option.
Solaris is officially the preferred platform for Oracle deployments[^]. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if Oracle ditches Oracle Enterprise Linux after it acquires Sun.
That is an article from 2005. :) Lot has changed in Oracle world, since then. At that time Oracle Enterprise Linux did not even exist.
-
That is an article from 2005. :) Lot has changed in Oracle world, since then. At that time Oracle Enterprise Linux did not even exist.
-
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Lot has changed in Oracle world, since then.
Oracle is holding a big (re: 5 hour) press conference tomorrow to detail plans with Sun. http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/press/043821[^]
I will be busy with the Apple Press Conference. ;)
-
I know I might get flamed, but I need some expert opinions on what version/flavor of Linux I should go with. My boss wants to see how far we can get with Linux on our machines. I've done some looking on the internet and I think my top two are Ubuntu and OpenSolaris. I've loaded them into virtual machines to play with them. First impression is they are the same OS with different themes applied. I know there is more to them than that, but I don't konw how long it will take to discover what the differences are. I tried looking for comparisons on the web, but everything is from a couple years ago. Does anyone have experience to know what the differences are or why one is better than the other? It seems like there is more support for Ubuntu out there. I like the looks of OpenSolaris better. Thanks for any help, I appreciate it. [Edit] Ok, so obviously I didn't read the fine print on OpenSolaris not being Linux. :doh: I apologize for that. :-O Also, when I say machine I'm talking about a PC controlled piece of industrial machinery. First thing I need to do is check if the motion control drivers are in Linux or Unix. That would be the defining factor. [/Edit]
Brad Deja Moo - When you feel like you've heard the same bull before.
modified on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:08 PM
I would go the Ubuntu route in the client computers and maybe Ubuntu Server or Red Hat Enterprise on the server. The advantage of Ubuntu is the community. You can find help for most common problems on the Web. As a matter of fact you should choose a distribution which has an active community. Most distros do, but some like Ubuntu are growing everyday. The major difference between Ubuntu and Fedora/RedHat is the package management. Ubuntu being a Debian variant uses DEB packages and Fedora/ Redhat uses RPM. Most software can be found in both package types. If you are willing to try different OSes you could try PC-BSD. It is a FreeBSD variant (UNIX Variant not Linux). It uses KDE as the default Desktop Enviroment (GNOME,XFCE are the other 2 most common desktop enviroments). It might be a little more complicated and you may have issues with drivers, but there is an added benefit with security and a longer history and more experience community (Although not as active as Linux comunities). Anyway, play a bit and enjoy the ride!
"The simplest solutions are the most difficult to find" --Me
-
Dan Neely wrote:
Isn't Ubuntu still Debian reworked into a Desktop OS for non-power users?
Yeah, but I wouldn't want the extra stuff it comes with taking up space on a server. I mean for Desktop usage no biggy, but you get the idea.
Jeremy Falcon
From a few friends who're linux power users (I'm not; I can use it at need but cthulu help me if anything breaks) the biggest gotcha with ubuntu as a server would probably be that in an effort to keep people from shooting themselves in the foot they've made swapping parts out for alternatives next to impossible.
3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18