iiNet wins piracy court case
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Did not a movie just get released that has smashed all box office records ever? (Avatar)
3D looks like it's being taken seriously as a way to get people back to the movies. Avatar worked on that level.
_Damian S_ wrote:
stop thinking that charging the same for an album download as you can buy the physical album is reasonable -
Agreed - that's another reason that downloads are a joke. How much did you want for that ?
_Damian S_ wrote:
top releasing movies at different times to different countries
Agreed - but a lot of movies are made with the intention of making money on the blockbuster season, which is summer, here and there.
_Damian S_ wrote:
start making them available online for a reasonable price
What sort of price is reasonable for a one time watch at home for unlimited people in theory ? I can easily show a movie to 20 people in my lounge. How do they price for that ?
_Damian S_ wrote:
People will still attend cinemas for the "experience" if that's what they are into...
I get a better experience at home, unless I do gold class. 65 inch screen is big enough, comfy lounge, can watch in my undies. all the food I want, 7:2 sound, etc.
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Christian Graus wrote:
How much did you want for that ?
For a song - I reckon no more than 20cents for big names, under 10 cents for emerging bands...
Christian Graus wrote:
a lot of movies are made with the intention of making money on the blockbuster season, which is summer
People will see it whenever if it's a good movie...
Christian Graus wrote:
What sort of price is reasonable for a one time watch at home for unlimited people in theory ?
Less than buying a DVD... re: 20 people - you could do the same with a DVD, except of course you might actually be flirting with the "public exhibition" component of the copyright laws...
Christian Graus wrote:
I get a better experience at home, unless I do gold class.
All valid reasons why I don't go to the movies often - I prefer to watch at home!
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Did not a movie just get released that has smashed all box office records ever? (Avatar)
3D looks like it's being taken seriously as a way to get people back to the movies. Avatar worked on that level.
_Damian S_ wrote:
stop thinking that charging the same for an album download as you can buy the physical album is reasonable -
Agreed - that's another reason that downloads are a joke. How much did you want for that ?
_Damian S_ wrote:
top releasing movies at different times to different countries
Agreed - but a lot of movies are made with the intention of making money on the blockbuster season, which is summer, here and there.
_Damian S_ wrote:
start making them available online for a reasonable price
What sort of price is reasonable for a one time watch at home for unlimited people in theory ? I can easily show a movie to 20 people in my lounge. How do they price for that ?
_Damian S_ wrote:
People will still attend cinemas for the "experience" if that's what they are into...
I get a better experience at home, unless I do gold class. 65 inch screen is big enough, comfy lounge, can watch in my undies. all the food I want, 7:2 sound, etc.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
3D looks like it's being taken seriously as a way to get people back to the movies. Avatar worked on that level.
Last time I looked the majority of cinama goesrs wtched it in 2D
Christian Graus wrote:
I can easily show a movie to 20 people in my lounge.
I'll bring my own popcorn
Christian Graus wrote:
can watch in my undies.
I just changed my mind :")
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Christian Graus wrote:
How much did you want for that ?
For a song - I reckon no more than 20cents for big names, under 10 cents for emerging bands...
Christian Graus wrote:
a lot of movies are made with the intention of making money on the blockbuster season, which is summer
People will see it whenever if it's a good movie...
Christian Graus wrote:
What sort of price is reasonable for a one time watch at home for unlimited people in theory ?
Less than buying a DVD... re: 20 people - you could do the same with a DVD, except of course you might actually be flirting with the "public exhibition" component of the copyright laws...
Christian Graus wrote:
I get a better experience at home, unless I do gold class.
All valid reasons why I don't go to the movies often - I prefer to watch at home!
I don't have ADHD, I have ADOS... Attention Deficit oooh SHINY!! Booger Mobile (n) - A bright green 1964 Ford Falcon - our entry into the Camp Quality esCarpade!! Do something wonderful - make a donation to Camp Quality today!!
_Damian S_ wrote:
People will see it whenever if it's a good movie...
Some will. And some will stay indoors if it's cold and wet.
_Damian S_ wrote:
Less than buying a DVD... re: 20 people - you could do the same with a DVD, except of course you might actually be flirting with the "public exhibition" component of the copyright laws...
But if they make the download available AT THE SAME TIME that it's in the movies, they are more likely to lose revenue as a result.
_Damian S_ wrote:
All valid reasons why I don't go to the movies often - I prefer to watch at home!
I just like to watch.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
3D looks like it's being taken seriously as a way to get people back to the movies. Avatar worked on that level.
Last time I looked the majority of cinama goesrs wtched it in 2D
Christian Graus wrote:
I can easily show a movie to 20 people in my lounge.
I'll bring my own popcorn
Christian Graus wrote:
can watch in my undies.
I just changed my mind :")
___________________________________________ .\\axxx (That's an 'M')
_Maxxx_ wrote:
Last time I looked the majority of cinama goesrs wtched it in 2D
More and more movies are 3D nowadays. Cinemas charge extra for it, so they like it. Avatar, Alice in Wonderland, Up, you name it. Not romantic comedies so much, but I feel like they are moving towards it being the norm.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
People will see it whenever if it's a good movie...
Some will. And some will stay indoors if it's cold and wet.
_Damian S_ wrote:
Less than buying a DVD... re: 20 people - you could do the same with a DVD, except of course you might actually be flirting with the "public exhibition" component of the copyright laws...
But if they make the download available AT THE SAME TIME that it's in the movies, they are more likely to lose revenue as a result.
_Damian S_ wrote:
All valid reasons why I don't go to the movies often - I prefer to watch at home!
I just like to watch.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
some will stay indoors if it's cold and wet
Aspro people... dissolve in a little water...
Christian Graus wrote:
they are more likely to lose revenue as a result.
Perhaps... or perhaps they will simply shift the revenue from one place to another...
Christian Graus wrote:
I just like to watch.
'nuff said! :laugh:
I don't have ADHD, I have ADOS... Attention Deficit oooh SHINY!! Booger Mobile (n) - A bright green 1964 Ford Falcon - our entry into the Camp Quality esCarpade!! Do something wonderful - make a donation to Camp Quality today!!
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Christian Graus wrote:
some will stay indoors if it's cold and wet
Aspro people... dissolve in a little water...
Christian Graus wrote:
they are more likely to lose revenue as a result.
Perhaps... or perhaps they will simply shift the revenue from one place to another...
Christian Graus wrote:
I just like to watch.
'nuff said! :laugh:
I don't have ADHD, I have ADOS... Attention Deficit oooh SHINY!! Booger Mobile (n) - A bright green 1964 Ford Falcon - our entry into the Camp Quality esCarpade!! Do something wonderful - make a donation to Camp Quality today!!
_Damian S_ wrote:
Perhaps... or perhaps they will simply shift the revenue from one place to another...
So long as they get the mix between how many people watch per payment, how many of those would otherwise have seen at the movies, and how much they charge, just right, AND people are willing to pay that much and not pirate.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Perhaps... or perhaps they will simply shift the revenue from one place to another...
So long as they get the mix between how many people watch per payment, how many of those would otherwise have seen at the movies, and how much they charge, just right, AND people are willing to pay that much and not pirate.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I never said it was easy... but it's a bit like the ticket price argument... are you better off to have a half full cinema at $20 per ticket or a full cinema at $10 per ticket... Clearly a full one... As people paying $10 per ticket are likely to also buy a drink/popcorn, which is where the real money comes from!!
I don't have ADHD, I have ADOS... Attention Deficit oooh SHINY!! Booger Mobile (n) - A bright green 1964 Ford Falcon - our entry into the Camp Quality esCarpade!! Do something wonderful - make a donation to Camp Quality today!!
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I never said it was easy... but it's a bit like the ticket price argument... are you better off to have a half full cinema at $20 per ticket or a full cinema at $10 per ticket... Clearly a full one... As people paying $10 per ticket are likely to also buy a drink/popcorn, which is where the real money comes from!!
I don't have ADHD, I have ADOS... Attention Deficit oooh SHINY!! Booger Mobile (n) - A bright green 1964 Ford Falcon - our entry into the Camp Quality esCarpade!! Do something wonderful - make a donation to Camp Quality today!!
_Damian S_ wrote:
Clearly a full one... As people paying $10 per ticket are likely to also buy a drink/popcorn, which is where the real money comes from!!
Yes, and the cinema business dies if people move to movies at home. So the cinemas will fight any transition to that model. It's a complex situation and one that would be hard to work through and come out ahead. There would certainly be losers.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Well, it's an interesting question. My tenant's son does not leave his bed some days. He has every current hollywood movie on DVD, he doesn't get why I won't let my kids borrow them. The internet has sprung up at random, and it's clear that at some point, people need to be liable for their crimes. Either that, or we just accept the death of the music/movie/software industries. Don't think these people are not also copying our work and trying to avoid paying for it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
it's clear that at some point, people need to be liable for their crimes.
Agreed, but the builders of a road are not accountable for the behaviour of bad drivers, so the judicial decision was correct.
Christian Graus wrote:
Either that, or we just accept the death of the music/movie/software industries
feh. That song's been sung too many times. Fact: The ents industry makes excessive profits, and so has become a clique based entirely on greed (the word "art" is just lip service on most lips). If it started to die because of falling profits, the greedy would be the first to leave, so it would evolve into something better.
Christian Graus wrote:
Don't think these people are not also copying our work and trying to avoid paying for it.
"These people" are people, not a sub-class of human.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Well, it's an interesting question. My tenant's son does not leave his bed some days. He has every current hollywood movie on DVD, he doesn't get why I won't let my kids borrow them. The internet has sprung up at random, and it's clear that at some point, people need to be liable for their crimes. Either that, or we just accept the death of the music/movie/software industries. Don't think these people are not also copying our work and trying to avoid paying for it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
The internet has sprung up at random, and it's clear that at some point, people need to be liable for their crimes.
What about the people who didn't commit any crimes? Should they be liable as well? Should they be subject to increased restrictions on their behavior and outright spying on their activity because they at some point might commit a crime?
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Well, it's an interesting question. My tenant's son does not leave his bed some days. He has every current hollywood movie on DVD, he doesn't get why I won't let my kids borrow them. The internet has sprung up at random, and it's clear that at some point, people need to be liable for their crimes. Either that, or we just accept the death of the music/movie/software industries. Don't think these people are not also copying our work and trying to avoid paying for it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.