Back to the Moon
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What a waste of money. List a single reason to go back to the moon (I can think of one). Rather than collect signatures so the government can steel my money for this folly, why not collect millions of dollars from each one of you dreamers and fund it yourself?
There's an easy way to fund the mission - advertising, I bet McDonalds would pay anything to install a huge yellow 'M' that could be seen my the entire population of earth every night.
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I hope it is okay to post this link here. The site below is only intended to gather signatories for a petition to get the Moon landings reinstated. It carries no advertising and will not use any of the collected data for anything other than the petition. It will also remain non-partisan. If this breaks any rules then I apologise and will, of course delete the post immediately. Tychotics[^] I would also appreciate any constructive criticism or suggestions. Thanks
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I hope it is okay to post this link here. The site below is only intended to gather signatories for a petition to get the Moon landings reinstated. It carries no advertising and will not use any of the collected data for anything other than the petition. It will also remain non-partisan. If this breaks any rules then I apologise and will, of course delete the post immediately. Tychotics[^] I would also appreciate any constructive criticism or suggestions. Thanks
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Marcus_Idle wrote:
what's so wrong with going to Mars?
Nothing, but without the continuation of the Constellation heavy lifter program, neither Moon nor Mars will happen. The revived moon project was meant to be just a stepping stone to Mars...
Rob Graham wrote:
without the continuation of the Constellation heavy lifter program, neither Moon nor Mars will happen.
Is that actually true? What about private industry? There are private companies which could potentially take up the slack. In fact, didn't the original announcement say that they invited development from private companies, or am I mistaken? :confused: Anyway, moon landings (maybe Mars?) will happen. No doubt. The only doubt is whether or not the US will be the one. To be honest, getting to Mars will be a HUGE and expensive endeavor, and I think it will take several countries working together to achieve it. That's where we need to be looking, towards cooperation, not springing for the whole thing ourselves.
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Joe Woodbury wrote:
List a single reason to go back to the moon
Would create direct benefits (for everyone) by the advances in medicine and technology that would be created by further space exploration. I have a few more but I'll be adding a page of reasons later today. What is your single reason?
Joe Woodbury wrote:
Rather than collect signatures so the government can steel my money for this folly, why not collect millions of dollars from each one of you dreamers and fund it yourself?
If I thought that would work I would: the best I can do is collect signatures in the hope that it'll have the desired impact. Besides, there's a lot of stuff I hate contributing taxes to but there are some things that simply need to be done and I believe returning to the Moon is one of those things. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
digital man wrote:
Would create direct benefits (for everyone) by the advances in medicine and technology that would be created by further space exploration.
It hasn't so far, contrary to many claims. The manned spaced program has been romantic, but hasn't done anything to advance technology. Beyond that, how would a moon program do such a thing? We can mimic microgravity on earth, what other benefit would being on the moon offer? (This does bear repeating. There are NO widespread inventions in use today due to the manned space program. Many of the lists circulating are completely bogus, others simply take any technology NASA used and claims that it is due to NASA. Due to the number of claims, it is very time consuming to debunk them all, but I have yet to see one hold up. BTW, even the official NASA folks concede to only about a dozen inventions, including Teflon coated fiberglass, but not Teflon itself.)
digital man wrote:
What is your single reason?
A large array telescope on the far side of the moon.
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I hope it is okay to post this link here. The site below is only intended to gather signatories for a petition to get the Moon landings reinstated. It carries no advertising and will not use any of the collected data for anything other than the petition. It will also remain non-partisan. If this breaks any rules then I apologise and will, of course delete the post immediately. Tychotics[^] I would also appreciate any constructive criticism or suggestions. Thanks
I will refrain from signing the petition because I do not live in US. However, I wanted to say the I find the site (Tychotics[^]) and the message professional, concise, and effective.
I would imagine if you could understand Morse Code, a tap dancer would drive you crazy. -- Mitch Hedberg (American Comedian, 1968-2005)
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I hope it is okay to post this link here. The site below is only intended to gather signatories for a petition to get the Moon landings reinstated. It carries no advertising and will not use any of the collected data for anything other than the petition. It will also remain non-partisan. If this breaks any rules then I apologise and will, of course delete the post immediately. Tychotics[^] I would also appreciate any constructive criticism or suggestions. Thanks
Everyone seems to be forgetting one basic fact: It is in humanity's best interest to create independent colonies on other planets. As it stands now, one asteroid and humanity is extinct. Colonies are not created from a cold-start in a single attempt. One must go through the development of several technologies like creating capable space ships, or developing stable ecological systems and environments, requiring many iterations. One may argue that these things could be developed and tested here on Earth, but there is no substitute for first-hand practical testing in a make-or-break hostile environment like the moon. Try as we might, anything we do here on Earth is colored by the thinking that if something goes wrong, we can just step outside. Besides, no-one can forsee in a simulation all of the things one might encounter for real. Look at the Hubble telescope's initial failures as an example of simulation gone wrong. If someone had actually tried all of the parts together, then Hubble's story would have been much different. While you may argue that we have enough problems here on Earth, we need to get off of this planet. If not now, then when? After it is too late?
Fletcher Glenn
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I hope it is okay to post this link here. The site below is only intended to gather signatories for a petition to get the Moon landings reinstated. It carries no advertising and will not use any of the collected data for anything other than the petition. It will also remain non-partisan. If this breaks any rules then I apologise and will, of course delete the post immediately. Tychotics[^] I would also appreciate any constructive criticism or suggestions. Thanks
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digital man wrote:
I would also appreciate any constructive criticism or suggestions.
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We are hoping to collect the million signatures within 3 months; however, we hope to get far more than that.
Might want to change the wording. You basically just said "we hope to get 1 million, but we hope to get more". Kinda like saying "we hope to get 1 million, but we hope to get 2 million, but we hope to get 3 million, but we hope to get more". Anyway, I didn't sign. I don't see why we need another moon mission. Been there, done that; there was no cheese. Unless we actually build a moon base or something, that'd be pretty useless.
I have never posted a message on any message board, but I am really annoyed (understatement) with anyone that doesn't understand what our space program WAS all about....Yes, you SHOULD learn Chinese, and while you're at it, you should brush up on your Russian. I and my husband work at Kennedy Space Center, and we will both be losing our jobs in October, along with 6,998 other people. We will be paying the Russians millions of dollars to transport our astronauts to the ISS...that money could have saved many jobs. And this doesn't just affect Florida, there are many other states that depend on the space program to keep their economies from collapsing. And by the way, it will take the private companies approximately 10 years to develop a rocket that is safe enough for humans...so, great "plan", huh?:mad:
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Rob Graham wrote:
without the continuation of the Constellation heavy lifter program, neither Moon nor Mars will happen.
Is that actually true? What about private industry? There are private companies which could potentially take up the slack. In fact, didn't the original announcement say that they invited development from private companies, or am I mistaken? :confused: Anyway, moon landings (maybe Mars?) will happen. No doubt. The only doubt is whether or not the US will be the one. To be honest, getting to Mars will be a HUGE and expensive endeavor, and I think it will take several countries working together to achieve it. That's where we need to be looking, towards cooperation, not springing for the whole thing ourselves.
The United States? Fat chance. We are too greedy. Since we do not have an advasary like in the 1960s, and it does not benefit the masses (rich and greedy) in the present, then it will not happen. I.e., what is the benefit to ME! Yes, that is the mentality here. Besides the politicians are too polarized for it to be a reality. And, even those backing them are equally polarized. Too much political BS to get thru. So much for doom and gloom. I don't think we will ever get to the Star Trek times.
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Dont take the Chucks name in vain. In the words of the greats space adventure of them all "Dont give me the star trek crap, its to early in the morning", Why cant NASA just wait before more man missions are carried out? when the econmoy has sorted its self out, and perhaps 2 less wars. Well the reason is fairly simple they dont want to see there budject and by extension their prestege being reduced, I for one would like to see all that resources going into developing green technologys (whether you believe in climate change or the oil is running out, energy productionand conservation devices are a good thing).
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I hope it is okay to post this link here. The site below is only intended to gather signatories for a petition to get the Moon landings reinstated. It carries no advertising and will not use any of the collected data for anything other than the petition. It will also remain non-partisan. If this breaks any rules then I apologise and will, of course delete the post immediately. Tychotics[^] I would also appreciate any constructive criticism or suggestions. Thanks
No need, just jump upon the national debt, it is about ready to reach there... :)
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I hope it is okay to post this link here. The site below is only intended to gather signatories for a petition to get the Moon landings reinstated. It carries no advertising and will not use any of the collected data for anything other than the petition. It will also remain non-partisan. If this breaks any rules then I apologise and will, of course delete the post immediately. Tychotics[^] I would also appreciate any constructive criticism or suggestions. Thanks
In all of the exploration that the human species has ever done, there has always been one factor that drove people onward: the expectation of finding something useful in the new territory. In the new world, there was the expectation of religious and economic freedom. Later, after colonists became Americans, there was freedom from monarchy and new opportunities galore. In the west, there was the expectation of new farmland, and later, gold. My question is: what is there on the moon? Are there useful minerals or metals? Is there a new source of energy? New health benefits we know nothing about? To my knowledge, there are none of these things. So why go back there?
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Rob Graham wrote:
without the continuation of the Constellation heavy lifter program, neither Moon nor Mars will happen.
Is that actually true? What about private industry? There are private companies which could potentially take up the slack. In fact, didn't the original announcement say that they invited development from private companies, or am I mistaken? :confused: Anyway, moon landings (maybe Mars?) will happen. No doubt. The only doubt is whether or not the US will be the one. To be honest, getting to Mars will be a HUGE and expensive endeavor, and I think it will take several countries working together to achieve it. That's where we need to be looking, towards cooperation, not springing for the whole thing ourselves.
Alexander DiMauro wrote:
Is that actually true? What about private industry? There are private companies which could potentially take up the slack. In fact, didn't the original announcement say that they invited development from private companies, or am I mistaken? Confused Anyway, moon landings (maybe Mars?) will happen. No doubt. The only doubt is whether or not the US will be the one. To be honest, getting to Mars will be a HUGE and expensive endeavor, and I think it will take several countries working together to achieve it. That's where we need to be looking, towards cooperation, not springing for the whole thing ourselves.
Why not just open source the entire field of space colonization?
Unreasonable people make life so difficult...