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  • R realJSOP

    Starting on 16 Febrary, Weven will phone home on a quarterly basis to verify that your installation of Weven is valid. Windows Activation Technologies Update for Windows 7[^] Here is one person's comments[^]

    .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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    "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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    Christian Graus
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    Gee - that's just great. What if I'm not online ? I just may mysteriously not be, on my one Weven machine. I OWN Weven, but I object to this. Why ? Because Microsoft can't even make their premier platform load some images without crashing or destroying them ( bugs I reported in WPF pre release are still there ). So, how can I trust my entire computing platform to this bit of code never failing ?

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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      Gee - that's just great. What if I'm not online ? I just may mysteriously not be, on my one Weven machine. I OWN Weven, but I object to this. Why ? Because Microsoft can't even make their premier platform load some images without crashing or destroying them ( bugs I reported in WPF pre release are still there ). So, how can I trust my entire computing platform to this bit of code never failing ?

      Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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      Miszou
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      Christian Graus wrote:

      So, how can I trust my entire computing platform to this bit of code never failing ?

      Yeah, you'd better go back to pencil and paper before it's too late. you know, just in case something doesn't work...

      The StartPage Randomizer - The Windows Cheerleader - Twitter

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      • C Christian Graus

        Gee - that's just great. What if I'm not online ? I just may mysteriously not be, on my one Weven machine. I OWN Weven, but I object to this. Why ? Because Microsoft can't even make their premier platform load some images without crashing or destroying them ( bugs I reported in WPF pre release are still there ). So, how can I trust my entire computing platform to this bit of code never failing ?

        Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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        Rama Krishna Vavilala
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        Christian Graus wrote:

        how can I trust my entire computing platform to this bit of code never failing ?

        Because one image problem with WPF is not that big as the high priority task of phoning back home and making sure that the copy of Windows is legal or not. The later has direct implications for revenue where as the former does not affect Microsoft. It only affects the poor developer who is using the technology. So trust me they will get the code to phone back home and validate correct.

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        • M Miszou

          Christian Graus wrote:

          So, how can I trust my entire computing platform to this bit of code never failing ?

          Yeah, you'd better go back to pencil and paper before it's too late. you know, just in case something doesn't work...

          The StartPage Randomizer - The Windows Cheerleader - Twitter

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          Rama Krishna Vavilala
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          Miszou wrote:

          Yeah, you'd better go back to pencil and paper before it's too late

          He doesn't have to worry about it, he is already using OSX:)

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          • C Christian Graus

            Gee - that's just great. What if I'm not online ? I just may mysteriously not be, on my one Weven machine. I OWN Weven, but I object to this. Why ? Because Microsoft can't even make their premier platform load some images without crashing or destroying them ( bugs I reported in WPF pre release are still there ). So, how can I trust my entire computing platform to this bit of code never failing ?

            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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            Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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            I have Windows Updates disabled on all of my machines. If I had a better router I would block and MS url.

            Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

              I have Windows Updates disabled on all of my machines. If I had a better router I would block and MS url.

              Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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              realJSOP
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              I'm set to "let me decide whether or not to download/install"

              .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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              "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                I'm set to "let me decide whether or not to download/install"

                .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                Don't critical updates ignore your choices?

                Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                  Don't critical updates ignore your choices?

                  Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                  Dan Neely
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                  Nope. It's possible you won't be able to move them to the ignore list (never tried), but if you're set to manually approve all updates none will happen without your OK.

                  3x12=36 2x12=24 1x12=12 0x12=18

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                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                    Don't critical updates ignore your choices?

                    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                    wolfbinary
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                    No. I just have mine download so that I can choose when to install them.

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                    • R realJSOP

                      Starting on 16 Febrary, Weven will phone home on a quarterly basis to verify that your installation of Weven is valid. Windows Activation Technologies Update for Windows 7[^] Here is one person's comments[^]

                      .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                      -----
                      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                      -----
                      "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                      CPallini
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                      Oh, that is annoying. :doh:

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                      • R realJSOP

                        Starting on 16 Febrary, Weven will phone home on a quarterly basis to verify that your installation of Weven is valid. Windows Activation Technologies Update for Windows 7[^] Here is one person's comments[^]

                        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                        -----
                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                        -----
                        "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                        J Dunlap
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                        I'm surprised we haven't seen a virus yet that claims that your copy of Windows is not genuine and tries to get you to buy a "genuine license". With this type of stuff, that would probably be quite a lucrative scam.

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                        • R realJSOP

                          Starting on 16 Febrary, Weven will phone home on a quarterly basis to verify that your installation of Weven is valid. Windows Activation Technologies Update for Windows 7[^] Here is one person's comments[^]

                          .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                          -----
                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                          -----
                          "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                          peterchen
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                          Once installed, the Update protects customers by identifying known activation exploits that may affect their PC experience Phew! So that exploit not affecting my PC experience is ok with Microsoft? :rolleyes: Not much to object - if Microsoft does get it right the first time. They have a great track record with Version 1 & 2 alienating legitimate users, and being that overadministrated moloch they seem having grown into, I doubt that they are able to correct mistakes quickly. Mistakes such as: false positives, locking out users with no internet conenction, leaving a security hole in the phone-home, show annoying message boxes, demand gratuitous reboots, etc. ----- I wished they'd made "Genuine Advantage" more of a real advantage, but the benefits are laughable - in some locations the only additional feature you get is Media Player "free trials and great savings on select MSN games[^]". :wtf:

                          Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
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                            Christian Graus wrote:

                            So, how can I trust my entire computing platform to this bit of code never failing ?

                            Yeah, you'd better go back to pencil and paper before it's too late. you know, just in case something doesn't work...

                            The StartPage Randomizer - The Windows Cheerleader - Twitter

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                            Christian Graus
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                            Yeah, there's a sensible comment. Fail.

                            Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                              Don't critical updates ignore your choices?

                              Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. A man said to the universe: "Sir I exist!" "However," replied the universe, "The fact has not created in me A sense of obligation." --Stephen Crane

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                              Christian Graus
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                              Yes, XP SP3 did to me, and cost me $500.

                              Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                              • R Rama Krishna Vavilala

                                Christian Graus wrote:

                                how can I trust my entire computing platform to this bit of code never failing ?

                                Because one image problem with WPF is not that big as the high priority task of phoning back home and making sure that the copy of Windows is legal or not. The later has direct implications for revenue where as the former does not affect Microsoft. It only affects the poor developer who is using the technology. So trust me they will get the code to phone back home and validate correct.

                                Click here to get a Google Wave Invite.

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                                Christian Graus
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                                I trust you. I don't trust them.

                                Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                • C Christian Graus

                                  Yeah, there's a sensible comment. Fail.

                                  Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                                  Miszou
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                                  Christian Graus wrote:

                                  Yeah, there's a sensible comment. Fail.

                                  About as sensible as your assertion that you can't trust your "entire computing platform to this bit of code never failing". By extension, you could say that about any piece of code on your system. Tons of drivers and wonky software cause Blue Screens and other problems all the time. One extra piece of code on your system isn't going to make it magically fall apart. The actual functionality and purpose of this piece of code is an entirely different debate. The point was, if you can't trust this piece of code to work as intended, why should you trust any other piece of code on your system to work as intended?

                                  The StartPage Randomizer - The Windows Cheerleader - Twitter

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                                  • R realJSOP

                                    Starting on 16 Febrary, Weven will phone home on a quarterly basis to verify that your installation of Weven is valid. Windows Activation Technologies Update for Windows 7[^] Here is one person's comments[^]

                                    .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                    -----
                                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                    -----
                                    "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                    Dan Mos
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                                    Just out of curiosity I torrented for "Windows 7 activation" and I got a couple of thousands of "Activators". By the time they(MS) "ban" one activator 100 more will be ready. I think they would spent their time better on providing REAL benefits to the genuine users(copy). Because maybe then people will actually want genuine "advantages". Now you have some "real" advantages such as downloading DirectX:) Now that's what I call ADVANTAGE :omg:

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                                      Once installed, the Update protects customers by identifying known activation exploits that may affect their PC experience Phew! So that exploit not affecting my PC experience is ok with Microsoft? :rolleyes: Not much to object - if Microsoft does get it right the first time. They have a great track record with Version 1 & 2 alienating legitimate users, and being that overadministrated moloch they seem having grown into, I doubt that they are able to correct mistakes quickly. Mistakes such as: false positives, locking out users with no internet conenction, leaving a security hole in the phone-home, show annoying message boxes, demand gratuitous reboots, etc. ----- I wished they'd made "Genuine Advantage" more of a real advantage, but the benefits are laughable - in some locations the only additional feature you get is Media Player "free trials and great savings on select MSN games[^]". :wtf:

                                      Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
                                      | FoldWithUs! | sighist | µLaunch - program launcher for server core and hyper-v server.

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                                      You need to understand that the 'Genuine Advantage' wasn't meant to be YOUR advantage... :-D

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                                      • R realJSOP

                                        Starting on 16 Febrary, Weven will phone home on a quarterly basis to verify that your installation of Weven is valid. Windows Activation Technologies Update for Windows 7[^] Here is one person's comments[^]

                                        .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                        -----
                                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                        -----
                                        "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                        Shog9 0
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                                        This has been in the works since XP. If you're gonna use Windows, you're gonna play their game. Interesting that this is announced less than a week after the lawsuit against MS for the WGA update was dismissed[^]...

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                                        • R realJSOP

                                          Starting on 16 Febrary, Weven will phone home on a quarterly basis to verify that your installation of Weven is valid. Windows Activation Technologies Update for Windows 7[^] Here is one person's comments[^]

                                          .45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
                                          -----
                                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                                          -----
                                          "The staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - J. Jystad, 2001

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                                          Marc Clifton
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                                          John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                          Weven will phone home on a quarterly basis to verify that your installation of Weven is valid.

                                          In terms of the kind of escalation we see happening, I fully expect that eventually this will devolve into WGoogleplex phoning home every nanosecond. At some point, the probability of a bit error vs. # of validations per second will almost guarantee that validation will fail! Marc

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