Calling all calorie counters.
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Whether for weight loss (or gain), or for specific goals (e.g. weight for boxing), I am interested in anything you would be willing to share with me on how you go/went about it. What logging systems, estimations, whatever, I'm interested if you are willing to share. BTW folks, I'm not interested in counting my calories so much as counting those of people that want them counted. :)
I did go through a spate of trying to build muscle. But I'm naturally thin - which is great for running. I used to take Protein shakes, amino acids and Creatine - but stoped that after a few months as I was getting pissed off with being constantly thirsty and needing a piss every couple of hours in the night. Plus I didn't sleep that well - it really keeps you wired. And it could be very bad for your liver or other organs. (I say could be because it depends on who you speak to and what sources you read). And despite using all this stuff, and pressing the heaviest weights I could do, I still didn't gain much muscle. My friend did exactly the same thing and gained 2 extra stone in the same time. So I got disheartened and gave up. :rolleyes: Plus work was getting in the way of training, I think I was doing some 12hr day shifts and by the time I got home if was 8pm, and didn't want to go to the gym then. I still use the gym, but I don't go mental as I know it's a lot of wasted effort. I really think it depends on how well you will naturally gain muscle. But you never know until you try. Good Luck :-D
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" ~ Albert Einstein "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ~ Paul Neal "Red" Adair Now reading: 'The Third Reich', by Michael Burleigh
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I did go through a spate of trying to build muscle. But I'm naturally thin - which is great for running. I used to take Protein shakes, amino acids and Creatine - but stoped that after a few months as I was getting pissed off with being constantly thirsty and needing a piss every couple of hours in the night. Plus I didn't sleep that well - it really keeps you wired. And it could be very bad for your liver or other organs. (I say could be because it depends on who you speak to and what sources you read). And despite using all this stuff, and pressing the heaviest weights I could do, I still didn't gain much muscle. My friend did exactly the same thing and gained 2 extra stone in the same time. So I got disheartened and gave up. :rolleyes: Plus work was getting in the way of training, I think I was doing some 12hr day shifts and by the time I got home if was 8pm, and didn't want to go to the gym then. I still use the gym, but I don't go mental as I know it's a lot of wasted effort. I really think it depends on how well you will naturally gain muscle. But you never know until you try. Good Luck :-D
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" ~ Albert Einstein "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ~ Paul Neal "Red" Adair Now reading: 'The Third Reich', by Michael Burleigh
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1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
Plus I didn't sleep that well
I'd blame CP for that - not the Creatine. :)
Me, I'm dishonest. And a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest.
Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for...Abhinav S wrote:
I'd blame CP for that - not the Creatine.
Hehehe! Yeah, CP does that to you! :-D
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" ~ Albert Einstein "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ~ Paul Neal "Red" Adair Now reading: 'The Third Reich', by Michael Burleigh
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I found the easiest way to gain weight was to stop smoking: +3stone in 3 months (and took 3 years to get rid of it...)
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I didn't gain anything when I stopped smoking. None of the several times I stopped.
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Whether for weight loss (or gain), or for specific goals (e.g. weight for boxing), I am interested in anything you would be willing to share with me on how you go/went about it. What logging systems, estimations, whatever, I'm interested if you are willing to share. BTW folks, I'm not interested in counting my calories so much as counting those of people that want them counted. :)
Follow three very simple rules and the body will take care of it itself. 0. When you're hungry, eat! 1. When you're not hungry, don't eat! 2. Don't eat sugar! Actually I'll add one more rule. The body tells you what it needs (except for sugar, and only if you listen), so when you feel like oranges, eat oranges, feel like beef, eat beef. It's all about the sugar levels in your blood. If you go hungry for to long, the level of bloodsugar becomes too low and your body raises the production of enzymes to better use the food when you finally eat. Do notice that your body overcompensates to allow you to store away energy for later use. If your sugar level is to high, the fatcells of your body takes care of that. Sugar is absorbed by your body without the need of enzymes, and thereby bypasses the regulationsystem of the body. Eating a proper cooked lunch and having a fruit every coffeebreak made me lose 15 kg. The funny thing is that I'm eating a more nowadays, not less.
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Follow three very simple rules and the body will take care of it itself. 0. When you're hungry, eat! 1. When you're not hungry, don't eat! 2. Don't eat sugar! Actually I'll add one more rule. The body tells you what it needs (except for sugar, and only if you listen), so when you feel like oranges, eat oranges, feel like beef, eat beef. It's all about the sugar levels in your blood. If you go hungry for to long, the level of bloodsugar becomes too low and your body raises the production of enzymes to better use the food when you finally eat. Do notice that your body overcompensates to allow you to store away energy for later use. If your sugar level is to high, the fatcells of your body takes care of that. Sugar is absorbed by your body without the need of enzymes, and thereby bypasses the regulationsystem of the body. Eating a proper cooked lunch and having a fruit every coffeebreak made me lose 15 kg. The funny thing is that I'm eating a more nowadays, not less.
My postings are a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance their individual character and beauty and are in no way to be considered flaws or defects.
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Eating a proper cooked lunch and having a fruit every coffeebreak made me lose 15 kg. The funny thing is that I'm eating a more nowadays, not less.
That's some good solid advice. I always tell people who are about to go on a diet that it's pointless - diets don't work. Well, OK, diet's can work, but not in the long run. You can't keep starving yourself every day. I tell them they need to change their outlook on food, and adjust their eating habits rather than dieting. I eat a good muesli for breakfast, then some fruit later, a hot meal at lunch, and then another hot meal in the evening. And I'm nothing near fat. I see people starving themselves every day and they're still right porkers! :-D
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" ~ Albert Einstein "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ~ Paul Neal "Red" Adair Now reading: 'The Third Reich', by Michael Burleigh
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Eating a proper cooked lunch and having a fruit every coffeebreak made me lose 15 kg. The funny thing is that I'm eating a more nowadays, not less.
That's some good solid advice. I always tell people who are about to go on a diet that it's pointless - diets don't work. Well, OK, diet's can work, but not in the long run. You can't keep starving yourself every day. I tell them they need to change their outlook on food, and adjust their eating habits rather than dieting. I eat a good muesli for breakfast, then some fruit later, a hot meal at lunch, and then another hot meal in the evening. And I'm nothing near fat. I see people starving themselves every day and they're still right porkers! :-D
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" ~ Albert Einstein "If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." ~ Paul Neal "Red" Adair Now reading: 'The Third Reich', by Michael Burleigh
Diets don't work, change of lifestyle does.
1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
You can't keep starving yourself every day.
Starving makes the body more efficient, and makes you hungry. Both are the opposite of what you wan't.
1.21 Gigawatts wrote:
I see people starving themselves every day and they're still right porkers!
I guess you don't see what they eat at night when they're at home and the hunger becomes to much. :wtf: :)
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Follow three very simple rules and the body will take care of it itself. 0. When you're hungry, eat! 1. When you're not hungry, don't eat! 2. Don't eat sugar! Actually I'll add one more rule. The body tells you what it needs (except for sugar, and only if you listen), so when you feel like oranges, eat oranges, feel like beef, eat beef. It's all about the sugar levels in your blood. If you go hungry for to long, the level of bloodsugar becomes too low and your body raises the production of enzymes to better use the food when you finally eat. Do notice that your body overcompensates to allow you to store away energy for later use. If your sugar level is to high, the fatcells of your body takes care of that. Sugar is absorbed by your body without the need of enzymes, and thereby bypasses the regulationsystem of the body. Eating a proper cooked lunch and having a fruit every coffeebreak made me lose 15 kg. The funny thing is that I'm eating a more nowadays, not less.
My postings are a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance their individual character and beauty and are in no way to be considered flaws or defects.
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Because every body works the same. :doh:
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My postings are a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance their individual character and beauty and are in no way to be considered flaws or defects.
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Because every body works the same. :doh:
Agh! Reality! My Archnemesis![^]
| FoldWithUs! | sighist | µLaunch - program launcher for server core and hyper-v server.peterchen wrote:
Because every body works the same.
They do in regards to what he's talking about. There are different body types, but your body will tell you when your hungry for your type. Most people just don't bother to listen to their body and eat how everyone else does irrespective of their current lifestyle as well. That's where the problem comes in. Most overweight people with low metabolisms for instance, eat for reasons like emotional comfort, to fit in with how the crowd eats, etc. rather than hunger. They aren't listening one bit to their body.
Jeremy Falcon
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Whether for weight loss (or gain), or for specific goals (e.g. weight for boxing), I am interested in anything you would be willing to share with me on how you go/went about it. What logging systems, estimations, whatever, I'm interested if you are willing to share. BTW folks, I'm not interested in counting my calories so much as counting those of people that want them counted. :)
Being a developer, naturally I needed weight loss :-). My wife was a big help, I lost a lot of weight (~50kg) over a protracted (~8/9 months) period. There were a few things that we did: 1. Started by making a baseline of how many calories I needed as maintenance (i.e. not gaining or losing). 2. Lowering the calories slowly so that I consistently lost about a kilo per week. This is considered safe, much more and you risk organ damage if it isn't urgent. 3. Lowering the baseline calorie amount. The quantity of food I ate actually went up, but the nature of the food changed For example home-cooked food can have a much lower calorie/weight ratio than that of even the off the shelf diet meals. The other obvious thing was cutting down on chocolate crisps (and my own particular vice) take-away curries. The other thing with the calories counter is that weight loss actually tricky to measure against calorie intake, as the amount of weight you lose per week is often overwhelmed by other factors. For example, always measure after urinating, but before breakfast. Your start to feel the need to pee at about 200g of urine, and when full can typically weigh a kilo, breakfast, if bulky might weigh 400 g, so the combination of these two is more than the weigh lost per week. Additionally diets can cause constipation, increasing the "apparent" (rather than actual) body weight. It is important if, in your system, you want to measure weight loss against calories, not to allow the user to enter a daily weight: it won't mean anything.
Antoine de Saint-Exupery: Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away.
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Whether for weight loss (or gain), or for specific goals (e.g. weight for boxing), I am interested in anything you would be willing to share with me on how you go/went about it. What logging systems, estimations, whatever, I'm interested if you are willing to share. BTW folks, I'm not interested in counting my calories so much as counting those of people that want them counted. :)
I don't count them; I just watch them slide down my throat, like fat through a goose. :)
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peterchen wrote:
Because every body works the same.
They do in regards to what he's talking about. There are different body types, but your body will tell you when your hungry for your type. Most people just don't bother to listen to their body and eat how everyone else does irrespective of their current lifestyle as well. That's where the problem comes in. Most overweight people with low metabolisms for instance, eat for reasons like emotional comfort, to fit in with how the crowd eats, etc. rather than hunger. They aren't listening one bit to their body.
Jeremy Falcon
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If I'd eat everytime I feel hungry I'd weight twice as much. And I'm not slim t ostart with.
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| FoldWithUs! | sighist | µLaunch - program launcher for server core and hyper-v server.peterchen wrote:
If I'd eat everytime I feel hungry I'd weight twice as much.
Not true. You're probably used to eating poor calories and/or used to eating too much in the first place for your body type. While you adjust to something proper you'll feel hungry but that's only because the typical diet screws up the body in the first place.
Jeremy Falcon
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Whether for weight loss (or gain), or for specific goals (e.g. weight for boxing), I am interested in anything you would be willing to share with me on how you go/went about it. What logging systems, estimations, whatever, I'm interested if you are willing to share. BTW folks, I'm not interested in counting my calories so much as counting those of people that want them counted. :)
I used to be on a 3400+ calorie a day diet in order to put on some weight. For estimating my intake I just used a notepad and a little handbook with calories for common foods. So, before a meal and at given intervals I'd just look at the running sum of calories I had consumed to that point and do a quick estimate of what I need to eat. [Edit] I should add that I used to plan my meals a few days in advance to avoid grazing.
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Whether for weight loss (or gain), or for specific goals (e.g. weight for boxing), I am interested in anything you would be willing to share with me on how you go/went about it. What logging systems, estimations, whatever, I'm interested if you are willing to share. BTW folks, I'm not interested in counting my calories so much as counting those of people that want them counted. :)
For losing or maintaining, "block" systems like Weight Watchers or the Zone have worked well in our household. WW has really good recipes, too. Gaining has been much harder for me. Eat for the weight you want, not the current burn. I'm guessing weight training/powerlifting folks would have some good guidance (not bodybuilding -- you'd be looking to gain mass, not to lean out). Lots and lots of meat and milk. But there's no reason adding up the appropriate number of WW or Zone blocks wouldn't work for gaining. The advantage of block systems is that the weighing and measuring, while a hassle, does make calorie and nutrition counting more accurate.
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Whether for weight loss (or gain), or for specific goals (e.g. weight for boxing), I am interested in anything you would be willing to share with me on how you go/went about it. What logging systems, estimations, whatever, I'm interested if you are willing to share. BTW folks, I'm not interested in counting my calories so much as counting those of people that want them counted. :)
There's an app for that. Basically used an app on my iPhone to input my weight each morning and after having told it how much weight I wanted to per week it would tell me how many calories I could have that day to reach that goal. The lower my weight the fewer calories I was allowed for the day. It also provided calorie tracking for common foods, including some restaurants. I lost 30 pounds in three months but then if flattened out for reasons I can't figure.
I'm not a programmer but I play one at the office
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Whether for weight loss (or gain), or for specific goals (e.g. weight for boxing), I am interested in anything you would be willing to share with me on how you go/went about it. What logging systems, estimations, whatever, I'm interested if you are willing to share. BTW folks, I'm not interested in counting my calories so much as counting those of people that want them counted. :)
I've used the calorieking sites (and desktop software) to calorie count. Started off being completely anal about weighing everything etc but the most important thing I've found is portion sizes. You can have all the foods you want - but less of them (or sometimes more of them if you particularly crave vegies :)) After a while you get the idea of how big a portion of chicken/rice/biscuits is and can slack off a bit - but I generally go back to checking portion sizes as soon as I plateau. It worked on its own for a while (just calorie counting the food) with limited exercise a few times a week but as I edge closer to "goal weight" adding in more exercise is helping more - because there are limits to how few calories you can eat and still function. With the help of a heart rate monitor that counts calories burnt (based on age, weight, heart rate etc etc) - which is a better indication than the usual calorie software estimates of 4 cal per km running at XXkm/hr I've done WW before and whilst I lost the weight I kind of abused the system by eating like a rabbit for 2 meals then blowing out at dinner - all the while keeping within my points. I use a small notepad (the paper and pen kind) these days just to record what I've eaten so if it all goes horribly wrong at least I don't have to rely on my memory as to what I ate when. Every now and then I'll put it into calorieking to see how I'm going. A last note - one big thing I use calorieking for is to get the calorie count of recipes I'm making - put all the ingredients in and then divide by the servings. Am starting uni in a couple of weeks to change career to nutrition/dietetics ... it'll take a few years but hopefully will give me a change of pace after 15 years developing (although it'll be over 20 years IT once I actually graduate as a dietitian!!) Whilst I like the technical challenge of IT ... the BS that comes with it is more than I can take anymore ... well, I can take it while I study part time so that the bills get paid ...
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Follow three very simple rules and the body will take care of it itself. 0. When you're hungry, eat! 1. When you're not hungry, don't eat! 2. Don't eat sugar! Actually I'll add one more rule. The body tells you what it needs (except for sugar, and only if you listen), so when you feel like oranges, eat oranges, feel like beef, eat beef. It's all about the sugar levels in your blood. If you go hungry for to long, the level of bloodsugar becomes too low and your body raises the production of enzymes to better use the food when you finally eat. Do notice that your body overcompensates to allow you to store away energy for later use. If your sugar level is to high, the fatcells of your body takes care of that. Sugar is absorbed by your body without the need of enzymes, and thereby bypasses the regulationsystem of the body. Eating a proper cooked lunch and having a fruit every coffeebreak made me lose 15 kg. The funny thing is that I'm eating a more nowadays, not less.
My postings are a natural product. The slight variations in spelling and grammar enhance their individual character and beauty and are in no way to be considered flaws or defects.
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
The body tells you what it needs (except for sugar, and only if you listen), so when you feel like oranges, eat oranges, feel like beef, eat beef.
That's dangerous advice, because: 1. Many poisons, allergens, and other harmful substances induce addictive behaviour, which would be translated as "the body telling you what it needs". 2. Many "Ooh, I fancy {enter ingestible name here}" feelings are provoked by seeing/hearing/smelling something that invokes a memory, so have nothing whatsoever to do with what your body needs. 3. It doesn't actually work. The body doesn't really know precisely what substances it needs -- let alone what complex foodstuffs might contain them. 4. The body's response mechanism to hunger (and most other needs) is hormonal, and hormones are terrible communicators who don't think before they scream at you.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I didn't gain anything when I stopped smoking. None of the several times I stopped.
I lost weight after giving up smoking as I suddenly had enough breath to be able to enjoy playing sport again :-)
