Do we really need Java runtime?
-
The LunaticFringe’s post bellow reminded me that I’m willing to ask this question from some time. I’m tired to fight with this annoying Java VM updates, which is impossible to be turned off. In fact I started to love UAC because of this – it’s my only friend against Java updates. So my question is what I’m going to miss if I just uninstall the thing? I’m not doing Java from years now and I hope I’ll never do it again, so development is not an issue. I don’t care about the websites build with Java – they are very few, so what I’m missing? BTW - Happy Friday to all!
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
-
The LunaticFringe’s post bellow reminded me that I’m willing to ask this question from some time. I’m tired to fight with this annoying Java VM updates, which is impossible to be turned off. In fact I started to love UAC because of this – it’s my only friend against Java updates. So my question is what I’m going to miss if I just uninstall the thing? I’m not doing Java from years now and I hope I’ll never do it again, so development is not an issue. I don’t care about the websites build with Java – they are very few, so what I’m missing? BTW - Happy Friday to all!
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
I read somewhere that they found a guy in the jungle, Japanese, who continued to fight WWII alone for decades. He saw the leaflets dropped to say the war was over, and thought it was a hoax. Java update is like that. The war is over, Sun is a joke, but the updater keeps fighting a battle that has been lost long ago.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
-
The LunaticFringe’s post bellow reminded me that I’m willing to ask this question from some time. I’m tired to fight with this annoying Java VM updates, which is impossible to be turned off. In fact I started to love UAC because of this – it’s my only friend against Java updates. So my question is what I’m going to miss if I just uninstall the thing? I’m not doing Java from years now and I hope I’ll never do it again, so development is not an issue. I don’t care about the websites build with Java – they are very few, so what I’m missing? BTW - Happy Friday to all!
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
I removed it from registry and I never get asked for updates. I do not think you will miss anything, practically no site uses Java these days.
-
The LunaticFringe’s post bellow reminded me that I’m willing to ask this question from some time. I’m tired to fight with this annoying Java VM updates, which is impossible to be turned off. In fact I started to love UAC because of this – it’s my only friend against Java updates. So my question is what I’m going to miss if I just uninstall the thing? I’m not doing Java from years now and I hope I’ll never do it again, so development is not an issue. I don’t care about the websites build with Java – they are very few, so what I’m missing? BTW - Happy Friday to all!
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
I'm 100% with you. I hate seeing the stupid thing at work. I don't have it all at home, and I don't miss it. Personally I hope Sunacle junks the whole damn thing.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
-
The LunaticFringe’s post bellow reminded me that I’m willing to ask this question from some time. I’m tired to fight with this annoying Java VM updates, which is impossible to be turned off. In fact I started to love UAC because of this – it’s my only friend against Java updates. So my question is what I’m going to miss if I just uninstall the thing? I’m not doing Java from years now and I hope I’ll never do it again, so development is not an issue. I don’t care about the websites build with Java – they are very few, so what I’m missing? BTW - Happy Friday to all!
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
I think OpenOffice uses Java for something or other. I think it's even part of the installer.
-
I'm 100% with you. I hate seeing the stupid thing at work. I don't have it all at home, and I don't miss it. Personally I hope Sunacle junks the whole damn thing.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
Jim Crafton wrote:
I don't have it all at home
You may not be aware, but it's on your Mac. ;P
-
I think OpenOffice uses Java for something or other. I think it's even part of the installer.
Yep, OpenOffice relies on Java, though you can get by without Java if you don't use the Java features (one big thing is that Base requires Java, but who uses Base anyway).
-
I read somewhere that they found a guy in the jungle, Japanese, who continued to fight WWII alone for decades. He saw the leaflets dropped to say the war was over, and thought it was a hoax. Java update is like that. The war is over, Sun is a joke, but the updater keeps fighting a battle that has been lost long ago.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Buuuahahaha – just the response I wanted to hear, thanks!
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
-
Yep, OpenOffice relies on Java, though you can get by without Java if you don't use the Java features (one big thing is that Base requires Java, but who uses Base anyway).
AFAIK parts of it are created with java, but I’m not using it. Also the Oracle installer is all java, but I’m not using Oracle either.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
-
The LunaticFringe’s post bellow reminded me that I’m willing to ask this question from some time. I’m tired to fight with this annoying Java VM updates, which is impossible to be turned off. In fact I started to love UAC because of this – it’s my only friend against Java updates. So my question is what I’m going to miss if I just uninstall the thing? I’m not doing Java from years now and I hope I’ll never do it again, so development is not an issue. I don’t care about the websites build with Java – they are very few, so what I’m missing? BTW - Happy Friday to all!
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
-
The LunaticFringe’s post bellow reminded me that I’m willing to ask this question from some time. I’m tired to fight with this annoying Java VM updates, which is impossible to be turned off. In fact I started to love UAC because of this – it’s my only friend against Java updates. So my question is what I’m going to miss if I just uninstall the thing? I’m not doing Java from years now and I hope I’ll never do it again, so development is not an issue. I don’t care about the websites build with Java – they are very few, so what I’m missing? BTW - Happy Friday to all!
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
Of course the crowd here will find this hard to believe, but there are some environments where Windows is NOT the dominant OS. In particular, among educators, Mac's are very popular. Consequently, work targeting educators often needs to be cross-platform (often involving even more exotic OS's; you know, like Linux ;) ), and hence, often involves the use of Java.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
-
I'm 100% with you. I hate seeing the stupid thing at work. I don't have it all at home, and I don't miss it. Personally I hope Sunacle junks the whole damn thing.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
And also Alienware desktop with Java on it is like Jessica Alba having her leg in plaster.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
-
Jim Crafton wrote:
I don't have it all at home
You may not be aware, but it's on your Mac. ;P
Actually I meant on Vista. Yeah it is on the Mac, but it's not friggin nagware like the windows version.
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
-
And also Alienware desktop with Java on it is like Jessica Alba having her leg in plaster.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
:omg: And that's tied in how...? :)
¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! Personal 3D projects Just Say No to Web 2 Point Blow
-
The LunaticFringe’s post bellow reminded me that I’m willing to ask this question from some time. I’m tired to fight with this annoying Java VM updates, which is impossible to be turned off. In fact I started to love UAC because of this – it’s my only friend against Java updates. So my question is what I’m going to miss if I just uninstall the thing? I’m not doing Java from years now and I hope I’ll never do it again, so development is not an issue. I don’t care about the websites build with Java – they are very few, so what I’m missing? BTW - Happy Friday to all!
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
this annoying Java VM updates, which is impossible to be turned off
??? Yet I have it turned off on my laptop. If you decide to keep it, try going to Control Pannel and looking for "Java". The dialog this brings up should have an update tab where you can choose to make it not update without you premission and even make it not check for updates. ------------------ On topic, I think most people do not need the Java VM and would not miss it. I am stuck with it though because Java is what they teach for introductary computer science classes X| . Maybe next year I can finally get rid of it.
-
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
this annoying Java VM updates, which is impossible to be turned off
??? Yet I have it turned off on my laptop. If you decide to keep it, try going to Control Pannel and looking for "Java". The dialog this brings up should have an update tab where you can choose to make it not update without you premission and even make it not check for updates. ------------------ On topic, I think most people do not need the Java VM and would not miss it. I am stuck with it though because Java is what they teach for introductary computer science classes X| . Maybe next year I can finally get rid of it.
Gwenio wrote:
On topic, I think most people do not need the Java VM and would not miss it. I am stuck with it though because Java is what they teach for introductary computer science classes . Maybe next year I can finally get rid of it.
Don't judge the language on the basis of 'Bluebird' alone. If that's what you're using. ;)
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
-
Of course the crowd here will find this hard to believe, but there are some environments where Windows is NOT the dominant OS. In particular, among educators, Mac's are very popular. Consequently, work targeting educators often needs to be cross-platform (often involving even more exotic OS's; you know, like Linux ;) ), and hence, often involves the use of Java.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
Regarding my experience people tends to overestimate Java “multiplatform” future. And when it goes to system programing it’s less multiplatform then C\C++ in some cases/using the serial port for example/. Also Java doesn’t supports or partially supports some operation systems/not legacy ones/ used in the Enterprise business/banks etc./ which have built in C++ support for example. Multiplatform language means multiplatform framework and Java doesn’t offer such thing, except for web or Java Swing which however is suitable only for creating a basic applications/installers. Edit: Don’t get me wrong, I don’t trying to snap on Java here, it used to pay my bills for a couple of years but there are a better options out there.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
modified on Friday, February 19, 2010 5:11 PM
-
Regarding my experience people tends to overestimate Java “multiplatform” future. And when it goes to system programing it’s less multiplatform then C\C++ in some cases/using the serial port for example/. Also Java doesn’t supports or partially supports some operation systems/not legacy ones/ used in the Enterprise business/banks etc./ which have built in C++ support for example. Multiplatform language means multiplatform framework and Java doesn’t offer such thing, except for web or Java Swing which however is suitable only for creating a basic applications/installers. Edit: Don’t get me wrong, I don’t trying to snap on Java here, it used to pay my bills for a couple of years but there are a better options out there.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
modified on Friday, February 19, 2010 5:11 PM
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
Regarding my experience people tends to overestimate Java “multiplatform” future. And when it goes to system programing it’s less multiplatform then C\C++ in some cases/using the serial port for example/. Also Java doesn’t supports or partially supports some operation systems/not legacy ones/ used in the Enterprise business/banks etc./ which have built in C++ support for example.
Well, if you can't work within the constraints of the system, why are you surprised you find limitations?
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
Multiplatform language means multiplatform framework and Java doesn’t offer such thing, except for web or Java Swing which however is suitable only for creating a basic applications/installers.
My own experience has been significantly different. And totally aware that I'm fighting an uphill battle on this subject with this crowd, that'll be my last word.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
-
Gwenio wrote:
On topic, I think most people do not need the Java VM and would not miss it. I am stuck with it though because Java is what they teach for introductary computer science classes . Maybe next year I can finally get rid of it.
Don't judge the language on the basis of 'Bluebird' alone. If that's what you're using. ;)
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
We were using BlueJ last semester and the year before that in AP, I suppose that is what you are refering to? Right now I am using notepad for all programming. While I had issues with BlueJ (why must they set the background color of the error message box to white but leave the text the default color?) but it is more the syntax / features it does not have that I have a problem with. Being more familiar with C++ from programming on my own, I want to be able to release memory, and having to create a class when writing methods / defining variables for the entire program is annoying. Edit: That reminds me, now that I am not using BlueJ I can finally set the default text color to yellow again.
-
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
Regarding my experience people tends to overestimate Java “multiplatform” future. And when it goes to system programing it’s less multiplatform then C\C++ in some cases/using the serial port for example/. Also Java doesn’t supports or partially supports some operation systems/not legacy ones/ used in the Enterprise business/banks etc./ which have built in C++ support for example.
Well, if you can't work within the constraints of the system, why are you surprised you find limitations?
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
Multiplatform language means multiplatform framework and Java doesn’t offer such thing, except for web or Java Swing which however is suitable only for creating a basic applications/installers.
My own experience has been significantly different. And totally aware that I'm fighting an uphill battle on this subject with this crowd, that'll be my last word.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
Read the “edit” part from my previous post – I’m not fighting with you, and I don’t hate Java, there are a plenty of great libraries and applications written with Java. I just think that this technology is not the proper solution for the problems which it’s targeting to resolve and the practice proves this.
The narrow specialist in the broad sense of the word is a complete idiot in the narrow sense of the word. Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.