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  • C Christian Graus

    I wasn't expecting any specific answer. I'm just thinking that you're saying you're attempting a pretty complex task, but you don't regard yourself as a programmer. That seems odd to me. I doubt your threads are the issue. You may be stomping memory in general, or your computer is hosed.

    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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    PaulowniaK
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    No way am I a programmer! ;P I got through the computing science bit of my degree by copying and pasting other people's code!! Oh, hang on... I still do that... Anyway, memory is another thing I'm never so sure about. I am aware of the concept and the consequences of getting it wrong, but I don't know enough to know for sure what I'm typing is sensible... Better have another look to see if I'm mangling pointers or something... :~

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      I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer. I'm just doing a job that I can sort of do... on a good day... Anyway, I'm writing a small test app for a DLL I've been told to develop in C++ in VS2005. My whole PC froze on me twice in about 2 hours. The latest incident was so bad I had to resort to the "big red button" approach, i.e. kill the power. Actually, this isn't the first time this happened to me. Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them, but it shouldn't keep locking me out like this, should it?

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      CPallini
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      PaulowniaK wrote:

      Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them, but it shouldn't keep locking me out like this, should it?

      It may happen, while you shouldn't mess up with threads that way. :)

      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke
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      • P PaulowniaK

        I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer. I'm just doing a job that I can sort of do... on a good day... Anyway, I'm writing a small test app for a DLL I've been told to develop in C++ in VS2005. My whole PC froze on me twice in about 2 hours. The latest incident was so bad I had to resort to the "big red button" approach, i.e. kill the power. Actually, this isn't the first time this happened to me. Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them, but it shouldn't keep locking me out like this, should it?

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        Lost User
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        PaulowniaK wrote:

        I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer.

        Nor do I. Stop what you are doing and get a different job. And yes, you can quite easialy lock the machine with threads it all depends on priority, have yiou been messing with thread prioirity too?

        Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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        • P PaulowniaK

          I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer. I'm just doing a job that I can sort of do... on a good day... Anyway, I'm writing a small test app for a DLL I've been told to develop in C++ in VS2005. My whole PC froze on me twice in about 2 hours. The latest incident was so bad I had to resort to the "big red button" approach, i.e. kill the power. Actually, this isn't the first time this happened to me. Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them, but it shouldn't keep locking me out like this, should it?

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          Mycroft Holmes
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          Happens all the time, I reboot every night and I expect a lock up a couple of times a week. I figure every time I hit a bug while developing there is a little bit of crap left over and it sort of accumulates in the corners. Needs a cold boot to clear it out. I mean I have had this issue since early 90s when I started writing excel macros, not a lot has changed in this area, I can still manage to crash a computer regularly.

          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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          • P PaulowniaK

            I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer. I'm just doing a job that I can sort of do... on a good day... Anyway, I'm writing a small test app for a DLL I've been told to develop in C++ in VS2005. My whole PC froze on me twice in about 2 hours. The latest incident was so bad I had to resort to the "big red button" approach, i.e. kill the power. Actually, this isn't the first time this happened to me. Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them, but it shouldn't keep locking me out like this, should it?

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            NormDroid
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            PaulowniaK wrote:

            Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them

            Oh dear :sigh: Threads and the unexperienced are a recipe for disaster.

            All right, you guys, I got eight crates of Ipecac from Mort. All on my tab. Now, whoever goes the longest without puking gets the last piece of pie in the fridge.

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            • P PaulowniaK

              I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer. I'm just doing a job that I can sort of do... on a good day... Anyway, I'm writing a small test app for a DLL I've been told to develop in C++ in VS2005. My whole PC froze on me twice in about 2 hours. The latest incident was so bad I had to resort to the "big red button" approach, i.e. kill the power. Actually, this isn't the first time this happened to me. Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them, but it shouldn't keep locking me out like this, should it?

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              Lost User
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              With threads this is quite possible. If you are doing work like this get your manager to OK buying a couple of decent books.

              Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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              • P PaulowniaK

                I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer. I'm just doing a job that I can sort of do... on a good day... Anyway, I'm writing a small test app for a DLL I've been told to develop in C++ in VS2005. My whole PC froze on me twice in about 2 hours. The latest incident was so bad I had to resort to the "big red button" approach, i.e. kill the power. Actually, this isn't the first time this happened to me. Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them, but it shouldn't keep locking me out like this, should it?

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                Mark_Wallace
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                There's a verrrry good article Here[^]. It might take a bit to wade through it, if you're unfamiliar with the language/syntax, but the logic and usage are impeccable.

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                • P PaulowniaK

                  I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer. I'm just doing a job that I can sort of do... on a good day... Anyway, I'm writing a small test app for a DLL I've been told to develop in C++ in VS2005. My whole PC froze on me twice in about 2 hours. The latest incident was so bad I had to resort to the "big red button" approach, i.e. kill the power. Actually, this isn't the first time this happened to me. Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them, but it shouldn't keep locking me out like this, should it?

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                  Joe Woodbury
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                  Odds are you have runaway threads, which cause a system to appear locked up.

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                  • C Christian Graus

                    Well, to review, you're not a programmer, you're writing code involving threads, on an out of data compiler ( although, to be fair, not by much ), and it sounds like the computer you've been given is a piece of rubbish. Who do you work for ?

                    Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.

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                    Richard Jones
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                    Christian Graus wrote:

                    Who do you work for ?

                    I realize this is old, but I was hoping he would say "Telstra" :laugh:

                    "The activity of 'debugging', or removing bugs from a program, ends when people get tired of doing it, not when the bugs are removed." - "Datamation", January 15, 1984

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                    • N NormDroid

                      PaulowniaK wrote:

                      Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them

                      Oh dear :sigh: Threads and the unexperienced are a recipe for disaster.

                      All right, you guys, I got eight crates of Ipecac from Mort. All on my tab. Now, whoever goes the longest without puking gets the last piece of pie in the fridge.

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                      PaulowniaK
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                      Norm .net wrote:

                      Oh dear Sigh Threads and the unexperienced are a recipe for disaster.

                      That's... very comforting to know... ... ... X|

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                      • J Joe Woodbury

                        Odds are you have runaway threads, which cause a system to appear locked up.

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                        PaulowniaK
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                        Joe Woodbury wrote:

                        Odds are you have runaway threads, which cause a system to appear locked up.

                        Most likely...:thumbsup:

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                        • M Mark_Wallace

                          There's a verrrry good article Here[^]. It might take a bit to wade through it, if you're unfamiliar with the language/syntax, but the logic and usage are impeccable.

                          I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                          PaulowniaK
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                          Thanks for the info.:thumbsup: It's quite hard, but I'll try reading it.

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                          • P PaulowniaK

                            Norm .net wrote:

                            Oh dear Sigh Threads and the unexperienced are a recipe for disaster.

                            That's... very comforting to know... ... ... X|

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                            You know, you wouldn't do open heart surgery without training and experience, the same goes with software engineering.

                            All right, you guys, I got eight crates of Ipecac from Mort. All on my tab. Now, whoever goes the longest without puking gets the last piece of pie in the fridge.

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                            • N NormDroid

                              You know, you wouldn't do open heart surgery without training and experience, the same goes with software engineering.

                              All right, you guys, I got eight crates of Ipecac from Mort. All on my tab. Now, whoever goes the longest without puking gets the last piece of pie in the fridge.

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                              PaulowniaK
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                              Norm .net wrote:

                              You know, you wouldn't do open heart surgery without training and experience

                              True... but it's not so common that you kill someone by writing bad code... I'm sure you can (f-ing up the software used in air traffic control, say) but in my case, the worst that is going to happen is that some ionized molecules are going to go to ionized molecule heaven.

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                              • P PaulowniaK

                                I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer. I'm just doing a job that I can sort of do... on a good day... Anyway, I'm writing a small test app for a DLL I've been told to develop in C++ in VS2005. My whole PC froze on me twice in about 2 hours. The latest incident was so bad I had to resort to the "big red button" approach, i.e. kill the power. Actually, this isn't the first time this happened to me. Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them, but it shouldn't keep locking me out like this, should it?

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                                Corinna John
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                                There are two usual causes to freezing machines: 1) Memory leaks: Watch your memory usage in Task Manager. Does it rise faster than you can explain? Then you very likely forgot to free the memory of some objects which you create in a loop. 2) Never ending loops: Watch you CPU time in Task Manager. Does it reach 100% before the machine freezes? Then very likely a break condition is never reached (i.e. you loop over a list, but forget to increment the index). As you are unexperienced, only a debugger can save you.

                                This statement is false.

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                                • P PaulowniaK

                                  Norm .net wrote:

                                  You know, you wouldn't do open heart surgery without training and experience

                                  True... but it's not so common that you kill someone by writing bad code... I'm sure you can (f-ing up the software used in air traffic control, say) but in my case, the worst that is going to happen is that some ionized molecules are going to go to ionized molecule heaven.

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                                  IncredibleMouse
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                                  That was a brilliant response to the inaccurate comparison. :thumbsup:

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                                  • L Lost User

                                    PaulowniaK wrote:

                                    I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer.

                                    Nor do I. Stop what you are doing and get a different job. And yes, you can quite easialy lock the machine with threads it all depends on priority, have yiou been messing with thread prioirity too?

                                    Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription

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                                    IncredibleMouse
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                                    You will never learn, unless you try. Succeed or fail, don't give up. Assuming of course you actually like what you're doing/learning. Never listen to another's notion that you "can't" or "shouldn't". Yes, malformed threads can cause the behavior you are experiencing, and they will extend to the end-user unless corrected.

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                                    • P PaulowniaK

                                      I don't call myself a programmer, nor a software developer. I'm just doing a job that I can sort of do... on a good day... Anyway, I'm writing a small test app for a DLL I've been told to develop in C++ in VS2005. My whole PC froze on me twice in about 2 hours. The latest incident was so bad I had to resort to the "big red button" approach, i.e. kill the power. Actually, this isn't the first time this happened to me. Granted I'm doing dodgy things with threads when I don't really understand them, but it shouldn't keep locking me out like this, should it?

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                                      Jason Christian
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                                      If you're not a programmer you might want to convince someone to let you program in something other (i.e. easier, or more forgiving) than C++.

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                                      • P PaulowniaK

                                        Norm .net wrote:

                                        You know, you wouldn't do open heart surgery without training and experience

                                        True... but it's not so common that you kill someone by writing bad code... I'm sure you can (f-ing up the software used in air traffic control, say) but in my case, the worst that is going to happen is that some ionized molecules are going to go to ionized molecule heaven.

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                                        Jay Elston
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                                        Actually, you _can_ kill people with bad code. You should subscribe to comp.risks. It is replete with stories about how software causes death or destruction.

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                                        • J Jason Christian

                                          If you're not a programmer you might want to convince someone to let you program in something other (i.e. easier, or more forgiving) than C++.

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                                          fglenn
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                                          I am reminded of a quote that I read many years ago, and I cannot remember who said it: "'C' will allow you to shoot yourself in the foot. 'C++' makes it harder, but if you succeed, it will take off your whole leg." :laugh:

                                          Fletcher Glenn

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