Guardian.UK: Climate Priests withdraw journal claims of rising sea levels
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They are criminals. When you commit a crime, you've made a mistake.
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All water ice is made from water; Not all water is ice. When you commit a crime, you've made a criminal mistake; When you make a mistake, you have not necessarily committed a crime. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.
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Scientists have been forced to withdraw a study on projected sea level rise due to global warming after finding mistakes that undermined the findings. The STUPID PIECE OF SHIT Climate Cultists need whipped with a leather belt. Stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more. Filthy slimy pieces of trash. Whip their faces.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The STUPID PIECE OF sh*t Climate Cultists need whipped with a leather belt. Stomped on, cursed at, spit on, and whipped some more. Filthy slimy pieces of trash. Whip their faces.
As usual, you do so much to foster and encourage reasonable debate on these issues. It's not at all like you're a barely literate, clueless moron, who doesn't really care what the issue is, so long as he can abuse someone, as a way to feel better about himself and his pathetic, failed life.
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Yes, quite agree. There must be hundreds of studies relating to climate change which are full of inacuracies and lies just waiting to be exposed.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
As someone else said, that's how science works. It's not a question of exposure, but of self correction over time, by scientists as a whole.
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You know it's enough just to say that you disagree or are pleased at the outcome or results; you don't know to get all melodramatic and spiteful: it detracts from your point and makes you look a bit, well, ignorant.
Tychotics: take us back to the moon "Life, for ever dying to be born afresh, for ever young and eager, will presently stand upon this earth as upon a footstool, and stretch out its realm amidst the stars." H. G. Wells
digital man wrote:
and makes you look a bit, well, ignorant.
You'd rather he kept it a secret ?
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All water ice is made from water; Not all water is ice. When you commit a crime, you've made a criminal mistake; When you make a mistake, you have not necessarily committed a crime. Quod Erat Demonstrandum.
Your honor, my client would like to plead guilty to the charge of "Forgetting to carry the one."
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digital man wrote:
and makes you look a bit, well, ignorant.
You'd rather he kept it a secret ?
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They committed outright fraud and perpetuated a fear-mongering lie using taxpayer dollars, and broke various other laws in the process. They destroyed science.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They committed outright fraud
No they didn't, they hadn't considered a couple of points that two other scientists pointed out to them.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
perpetuated a fear-mongering lie
Who is frightened, exactly? Why would anybody be afraid of a rise of 1.5m over 100 years? Not exactly a tsunami. Where is the lie? They published a paper giving sea-level projections and how they were arrived at. Are hurricane forecasts fear-mongering lies; or do they merely enable people to prepare appropriately, even though, in the event, the hurricane does not strike them?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
using taxpayer dollars
Taxpayers' pounds, actually.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
and broke various other laws in the process
Oh, do tell! Riding a bicycle without lights?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They destroyed science
No, the incident shows that science is alive and well.
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Ha! You mentioned Hitler! You lose! :) Actually, Godwin's Law applies to mention of Nazis too. Anything that compares people or things to Hitler or the Nazis qualifies as a Godwin invocation, except for totalitarian regimes and dictators, which are obviously similar. So technically, "eco-nazis" does qualify.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Nazionalsocialism does not only apply to Germany post 1933. In fact this political movement was started prior to Hitler taking over the leadership. Ernst Rhomm for example was a prominent early leader, and in fact WAS the leader of the Brown Shirts, the defacto hard men of the Nazi party. Hitler otook out his competition for the leadership in the famous Night of the Long Knives where Rhomm and other prominent leaders wre killed.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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I don't claim to understand the calculations they're doing... But supposedly the formula starts to fail around the '50s or '60s... As in the nearby thermometers show higher temperatures, but the tree rings don't correspond anymore. I found a little more explanation on the topic... Yes, it's a blog post, but then, so is most of our "evidence" nowadays... At least he quotes from a textbook. http://scienceblogs.com/islandofdoubt/2009/11/hacked_emails_tree-ring_proxie.php[^]
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As someone else said, that's how science works. It's not a question of exposure, but of self correction over time, by scientists as a whole.
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So basically, as Mann and Briffa later state in your linki, tree rings are unreliable as hel and shouldnt be used, thus destroying the hockey stick entirely.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
After 1960, or whatever the exact year was, yes. So the CRU researchers obediently removed the tree ring data after that point (They had actual temperature readings anyway). That was what "hiding the decline" was.
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After 1960, or whatever the exact year was, yes. So the CRU researchers obediently removed the tree ring data after that point (They had actual temperature readings anyway). That was what "hiding the decline" was.
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Author of Guardians of Xen (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novel)Nah, still dont buy it. If there is warming, and trees respnd weakly, then they will still show increased ring width. There is no decline there ot hode. The only decline possible is a decline in temperature or ring width. And hiding that is dishonest.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
Who is frightened, exactly? Why would anybody be afraid of a rise of 1.5m over 100 years? Not exactly a tsunami.
Because they and their families have lived at 1.2 meters above MSL for 150 years? :)
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
Because they and their families have lived at 1.2 meters above MSL for 150 years?
Stilts? :) However, they can rest secure in the knowledge that concerned Governments and NGOs will spare no effort in resettling them before the end of the century. I understand that some[^] are ready to take their children now.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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Sure, its just odd how all the errors and honest mistakes in GW papers always lead to more warming and more alarming outcomes. One wold expect honest mistakes to go both ways. No?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Not really, not if the baseline assumptions used where low. Given that people like you decry every possible or invented failure they have they would be likely to make more conservative(but reality based, as such having nothing to do with the American definition of conservative) estimates than the possibilities may allow them to make. Thus weighting things toward the low end of possibility, making it far more likely that mistakes would actually make things appear far worse.
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RichardM1 wrote:
Because they and their families have lived at 1.2 meters above MSL for 150 years?
Stilts? :) However, they can rest secure in the knowledge that concerned Governments and NGOs will spare no effort in resettling them before the end of the century. I understand that some[^] are ready to take their children now.
Bob Emmett @ Ynys Thanatos
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RichardM1 wrote:
OH NO! Now AGW causes CHILD ABUSE!
Are you going to tell fat_boy, or shall I?
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Nah, still dont buy it. If there is warming, and trees respnd weakly, then they will still show increased ring width. There is no decline there ot hode. The only decline possible is a decline in temperature or ring width. And hiding that is dishonest.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Unless of course they're talking about a decline in the growth rate, or a decline in some other correlation that they're using to derive this. I highly doubt that it's as simple as "Temperature = Width of Ring * X"
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Not really, not if the baseline assumptions used where low. Given that people like you decry every possible or invented failure they have they would be likely to make more conservative(but reality based, as such having nothing to do with the American definition of conservative) estimates than the possibilities may allow them to make. Thus weighting things toward the low end of possibility, making it far more likely that mistakes would actually make things appear far worse.
Distind wrote:
Not really, not if the baseline assumptions used where low.
??? We are talking about errors. Errors dont fall withing an SD curve, errors arent intelligent, errors are random chance fuckups. Fat fingering a calculator when doing a calculation, putting the decimal point on the wrong place. Hey, I did Mechanical Aeronautical engineering. There are a lot of calculations involved, perhaps as an IT trained guy you dont realise just how intensive it is, but its the same in climate science, in fact some of the formula used are the same. Thes are errors. And random errors would err randomly. But they dont, they alwatys err towards warming? Why? Well, as we were always told in engineering, guesstimate the expected value. Then do your calculation and see if its in the ballpark. If it is, then OK, if not, then recheck. And this is good. SO, in climate science the guestimation or expected result is WARM. So they do the calc, make a mistake, and it comes out WARM. He, bingo, lets write it up. If they do the same and it comes out cold, then they recheck their calculations and correct the error. Can you see now how a level of bias in the expectation has squewed the results?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription