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    So I get an email from a former client asking me to spend some time getting an off shore team up to speed on a project I had been working on. I left the project because the client cut costs, wouldn't follow the SDLC and continually changed the scope. Now they want me to spend my time, unpaid of course, to send the work overseas. What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?


    I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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    PIEBALDconsult
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    I don't think I'd respond at all.

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      jeron1 wrote:

      I have to agree you here, they sound like they're between a rock and a hard place, time to turn the screws, CHA-CHING!.

      Yeah, also we only have the OP's view of things. We may hear a completely different story if we talked to this client/vendor :-)

      Regards, Nish


      Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
      My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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      jeron1
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      True, but more often than not I'm inclined to believe the developers, as I've known several where their clients basically wanted free maintenance on an app. they were involved with.

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        So I get an email from a former client asking me to spend some time getting an off shore team up to speed on a project I had been working on. I left the project because the client cut costs, wouldn't follow the SDLC and continually changed the scope. Now they want me to spend my time, unpaid of course, to send the work overseas. What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?


        I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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        Nagy Vilmos
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        Would you be so kind as to f##k off and die you p##s drinking c##k s####r.


        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H

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          So I get an email from a former client asking me to spend some time getting an off shore team up to speed on a project I had been working on. I left the project because the client cut costs, wouldn't follow the SDLC and continually changed the scope. Now they want me to spend my time, unpaid of course, to send the work overseas. What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?


          I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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          Dr Walt Fair PE
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          Mark Nischalke wrote:

          What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?

          Please piss off, sir. And have a good day! Seriously, I'd let by-gones be by-gones and send them a bid for the requested work with some token payment up front to cover expenses, etc. If they accept and you get a check, then all is well. If not, both sides will know where they stand.

          CQ de W5ALT

          Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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          • N Nish Nishant

            If you have the time, why don't you send them a quote? If they are desperate enough, they'll probably take you up on whatever you ask them.

            Regards, Nish


            Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
            My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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            That's why they are going offshore, they don't want to pay current rates.


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            • L Lost User

              1. Never say no, just inflate the price. 2. Require a significant up front payment.

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              megaadam
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              I would advise against that. Unless he is starving. This is clearly a client he doesnt wanna touch with a ten-foot-pole.

              ........................ Life is too shor

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                1. Never say no, just inflate the price. 2. Require a significant up front payment.

                Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                OriginalGriff
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                Trollslayer wrote:

                2. Require a significant up front payment.

                And stage payment the rest - with a small retention to make them feel they can stiff you if they feel like it (when you don't actually care too much about that 10%, as you already have the 90%)

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                  1. Never say no, just inflate the price. 2. Require a significant up front payment.

                  Join the cool kids - Come fold with us[^]

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                  Trollslayer wrote:

                  Require a significant up front payment.

                  That's why they are going offshore, they don't want to pay.


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                    Having had to seek medical advice after damaged caused by the severe laughing fit entered into whilst reading your recent communication I hereby enclose bill for same. Certainly it is viable to go off and work, so after paying for my clinic attendance, please feel free to f#ck off!

                    ------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave

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                    peterchen
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                    Dalek Dave wrote:

                    Having had to seek medical advice after damaged caused by the severe laughing fit entered into whilst reading your recent communication I hereby enclose bill for same.

                    :-D

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                      So I get an email from a former client asking me to spend some time getting an off shore team up to speed on a project I had been working on. I left the project because the client cut costs, wouldn't follow the SDLC and continually changed the scope. Now they want me to spend my time, unpaid of course, to send the work overseas. What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?


                      I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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                      megaadam
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                      I suppose it would depend on the actual person asking. If you like him and he is in dysfunctional organisation, try to say something gentle. But if not, any of the sarcastic replies here will do.

                      ........................ Life is too shor

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                        So I get an email from a former client asking me to spend some time getting an off shore team up to speed on a project I had been working on. I left the project because the client cut costs, wouldn't follow the SDLC and continually changed the scope. Now they want me to spend my time, unpaid of course, to send the work overseas. What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?


                        I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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                        Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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                        Dear Sir The Work you require has been outsourced to a third party supplier, Please provide Full requirement details and deliverables and I will be happy to supply you a full costing and timescales for said. Due to ongoing commitments it is unlikely that the supplier will be able to schedule the work in the short term. Please be aware that should you not proceed with my supplier I reserve the right to invoice you for time spent. Yours Mark Nischalke Mafia branch 1983

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                          That's why they are going offshore, they don't want to pay current rates.


                          I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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                          Russell Jones
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                          So make them a huge quote for the job. Any work you do will come out of the off-shoring budget which somehow has no effect on the bottom line of the project as it's a one-off cost. While you're at it you may as well include a quote for re-on-shoring the project once the current management leave and the new management realise they've handed over their companies core business to a gang of people who don't speak the same language and only won the contract because they put in the lowest bid and used the CP lounge to get answers to all the difficult questions the managers asked during the bidding process.

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                            So I get an email from a former client asking me to spend some time getting an off shore team up to speed on a project I had been working on. I left the project because the client cut costs, wouldn't follow the SDLC and continually changed the scope. Now they want me to spend my time, unpaid of course, to send the work overseas. What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?


                            I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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                            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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                            Just tell them that you can't work unpaid. If they really need you they will come back to you. Dear Former Client, I will be glad to help you but unfortunately it is difficult for me to work unpaid. If you can arrange some payments than I will be glad to assist you. Thanks, Mark

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                              So I get an email from a former client asking me to spend some time getting an off shore team up to speed on a project I had been working on. I left the project because the client cut costs, wouldn't follow the SDLC and continually changed the scope. Now they want me to spend my time, unpaid of course, to send the work overseas. What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?


                              I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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                              Duncan Edwards Jones
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                              Just don't reply.

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                                So I get an email from a former client asking me to spend some time getting an off shore team up to speed on a project I had been working on. I left the project because the client cut costs, wouldn't follow the SDLC and continually changed the scope. Now they want me to spend my time, unpaid of course, to send the work overseas. What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?


                                I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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                                James L Thomson
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                                Pretend you're a lawyer. By which I mean charge them $250+ an hour.

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                                  So I get an email from a former client asking me to spend some time getting an off shore team up to speed on a project I had been working on. I left the project because the client cut costs, wouldn't follow the SDLC and continually changed the scope. Now they want me to spend my time, unpaid of course, to send the work overseas. What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?


                                  I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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                                  Katka Vaughan
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                                  Mark, I would definitely reply. If you are happy to take up the job (paid), just give them your rate as Rama said. If you really don’t want the job or are unavailable then just say that you have other commitments and wish them good luck.

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                                    Trollslayer wrote:

                                    Require a significant up front payment.

                                    That's why they are going offshore, they don't want to pay.


                                    I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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                                    Lost User
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                                    Then problem solved, they decide to go away. :)

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                                    • N Nish Nishant

                                      jeron1 wrote:

                                      I have to agree you here, they sound like they're between a rock and a hard place, time to turn the screws, CHA-CHING!.

                                      Yeah, also we only have the OP's view of things. We may hear a completely different story if we talked to this client/vendor :-)

                                      Regards, Nish


                                      Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                                      My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link

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                                      Jim Crafton
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                                      I'm sure we'd hear things like "synergy", "value-add", and "global economy" thrown mindlessly around, followed by "cost cutting", and "the bottom line". Let 'em rot.

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                                        Would you be so kind as to f##k off and die you p##s drinking c##k s####r.


                                        Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H

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                                        Jim Crafton
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                                        I think that sentence works better if you take out the "#" characters. :)

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                                          So I get an email from a former client asking me to spend some time getting an off shore team up to speed on a project I had been working on. I left the project because the client cut costs, wouldn't follow the SDLC and continually changed the scope. Now they want me to spend my time, unpaid of course, to send the work overseas. What's the polite way to tell them to piss off?


                                          I know the language. I've read a book. - _Madmatt

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                                          J Dunlap
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                                          Tell them that you'll be happy to do it, after they come spend unpaid time of their own cleaning your pool and shower. Oh wait... that's the impolite way. Seriously, I think telling them either that you have other commitments or that you will do it if they pay you your standard rates, is the best idea.

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