Learning Words While Reading
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fat_boy wrote:
I guess my sense of language is too advanced for people here
not necessarily - I do the same in English/French/Italian/Swahili/German and Swedish - when I was in Sweden last year I read a paragraph in Swedish, and translated it quite well into English, to the delight of my tour-guide - just on the 'concordance' between words I knew in other languages (mostly German) - I also found that just going from the airport into Stockholm gave me more vocab as well .. ps.. Swahili doesnt actually help much because nothing I know links to it, but I occasionally use Swahili words/phrases, and if you're wonder 'why Swahili', I lived in Kenya for 2 years as a kid
It is amazing how flexible the brain becomes when youy have leartn a second language. I think the rigid connection of object to sound has gone, and hence far subtler stimuli provoke a recognition. I qas in Schipol airport past year. In fornmt of me was an Englich family.One of the kids asked what Instappen meant. Of ocurse it is related to boarding a plane since it was displayed when the gates opened. But the meerest glance tells you that it means 'step in'. In fact English speakers have a natural advantage since our language is a mixture of germanic and latin. No other language makes it easier to learn either a latin language or a germanic one. And yet we are the linguistic dulards of europe.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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My High School english teacher did that 1 word a day... I have an emense mental anthenium of dearthly articulated coloquialisms', archatectural nuances', flora, fauna and the ocasional verb. :laugh:
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But lets be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
ely_bob wrote:
High School
high school
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english
English
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emense
immense
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anthenium
athenaeum
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coloquialisms'
colloquialisms
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archatectural
architectural
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nuances'
nuances
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ocasional
occasional
ely_bob wrote:
I have an emense mental anthenium of dearthly articulated coloquialisms', archatectural nuances', flora, fauna and the ocasional verb.
I'm not going to lie, this sentence confuses me. But was spelling almost every word incorrectly part of what you were trying to convey, or did it just happen to end up working out that way? :laugh:
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:-D Here,let me help you with that: JABBERWOCKY Lewis Carroll (from Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, 1872) `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves ..Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, ..And the mome raths outgrabe. "Beware the Jabberwock, my son! ..The jaws that bite, the claws that catch! Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun ..The frumious Bandersnatch!" He took his vorpal sword in hand: ..Long time the manxome foe he sought -- So rested he by the Tumtum tree, ..And stood awhile in thought. And, as in uffish thought he stood, ..The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame, Came whiffling through the tulgey wood, ..And burbled as it came! One, two! One, two! And through and through ..The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head ..He went galumphing back. "And, has thou slain the Jabberwock? ..Come to my arms, my beamish boy! O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!' ..He chortled in his joy. `Twas brillig, and the slithy toves ..Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, ..And the mome raths outgrabe.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
Thanks for that. I was trying to think of the name of that so I could reference in my above reply to peterchen.
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Lady Chatterley's Lover was published in 1928. While it may seem that words are the same now as then, some aren't. Definitions shift. One interesting shift is relatively recent change in the meaning of the phrase "make love", which used to mean wooing or courting. (Another fascinating shift over the last two centuries is the meaning of "perfect.") The ultimate electronic dictionary would be one that would both define the words contemporary to the writing AND to show what the modern meaning is. (Allowing for the fact that occasionally writers really do use the wrong word and/or misunderstand the meaning. "Bemused" did this to me.)
You might want to check out Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary. I have the electronic version installed on my computer. Here are the definitions given for "make love":
1 : WOO, COURT
2 a : NECK, PET b : to engage in sexual intercourseWhen words change their definition, it labels the old definition as "deprecated" (or something along those lines). It's really quite nice. I just wish I had access to the dictionary data so I could make my own search bar in the Windows XP taskbar.
Joe Woodbury wrote:
"Bemused" did this to me.
Do you mean to say that you misunderstood the meaning of "bemused" or that authors you've read did? Or that you/an author used "bemused" in place of another word (e.g., "amused"). Anyway, while I'm at it, here is what my dictionary says about "bemuse":
Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
Main Entry:be£muse Pronunciation:bi-*my*z, b*- Function:transitive verb Date:1735 1 : to make confused : PUZZLE, BEWILDER 2 : to occupy the attention of : DISTRACT, ABSORB 3 : to cause to have feelings of wry or tolerant amusement <seems truly bemuseed that people beyond his circle in Seattle would be interested in his ruminations — Ruth B. Smith> –be£mus£ed£ly \-*my*-z*d-l*\ adverb –be£muse£ment \-*my*z-m*nt\ noun
Note that some of the characters show up strangely (i.e., not how they are displayed in the dictionary software).
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ely_bob wrote:
High School
high school
ely_bob wrote:
english
English
ely_bob wrote:
emense
immense
ely_bob wrote:
anthenium
athenaeum
ely_bob wrote:
coloquialisms'
colloquialisms
ely_bob wrote:
archatectural
architectural
ely_bob wrote:
nuances'
nuances
ely_bob wrote:
ocasional
occasional
ely_bob wrote:
I have an emense mental anthenium of dearthly articulated coloquialisms', archatectural nuances', flora, fauna and the ocasional verb.
I'm not going to lie, this sentence confuses me. But was spelling almost every word incorrectly part of what you were trying to convey, or did it just happen to end up working out that way? :laugh:
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.... um..... I was tired? :-\
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But lets be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
ely_bob wrote:
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But lets be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
Say no more. ;)
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You might want to check out Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary. I have the electronic version installed on my computer. Here are the definitions given for "make love":
1 : WOO, COURT
2 a : NECK, PET b : to engage in sexual intercourseWhen words change their definition, it labels the old definition as "deprecated" (or something along those lines). It's really quite nice. I just wish I had access to the dictionary data so I could make my own search bar in the Windows XP taskbar.
Joe Woodbury wrote:
"Bemused" did this to me.
Do you mean to say that you misunderstood the meaning of "bemused" or that authors you've read did? Or that you/an author used "bemused" in place of another word (e.g., "amused"). Anyway, while I'm at it, here is what my dictionary says about "bemuse":
Merriam-Webster Dictionary:
Main Entry:be£muse Pronunciation:bi-*my*z, b*- Function:transitive verb Date:1735 1 : to make confused : PUZZLE, BEWILDER 2 : to occupy the attention of : DISTRACT, ABSORB 3 : to cause to have feelings of wry or tolerant amusement <seems truly bemuseed that people beyond his circle in Seattle would be interested in his ruminations — Ruth B. Smith> –be£mus£ed£ly \-*my*-z*d-l*\ adverb –be£muse£ment \-*my*z-m*nt\ noun
Note that some of the characters show up strangely (i.e., not how they are displayed in the dictionary software).
re: "Make Love" I disagree that Woo, Court is #1 in today's usage; the order seems to be more the order in how the definition has changed since the 1940s. I haven't heard or seen it used in the context of woo/court in my own life time (thought that was the exclusive meaning not long before I was born.)
aspdotnetdev wrote:
Do you mean to say that you misunderstood the meaning of "bemused"...
Yes. I thought it meant amused (as its primary meaning) for a very long time. When I was a little kid, probably eight, I thought rape meant simply attack and said something that very much embarrassed my mother.
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re: "Make Love" I disagree that Woo, Court is #1 in today's usage; the order seems to be more the order in how the definition has changed since the 1940s. I haven't heard or seen it used in the context of woo/court in my own life time (thought that was the exclusive meaning not long before I was born.)
aspdotnetdev wrote:
Do you mean to say that you misunderstood the meaning of "bemused"...
Yes. I thought it meant amused (as its primary meaning) for a very long time. When I was a little kid, probably eight, I thought rape meant simply attack and said something that very much embarrassed my mother.
I'm not sure if they are ordered for any relative significance (such as which is most common). More likely, they are numbered because other entries in the dictionary will refer to different terms and their number (such as when indicating a synonym). But I happened to figure out that it uses "archaic" not "deprecated" to indicate a definition has fallen out of common usage, such as with "dragon":
Dictionary:
1 archaic : a huge serpent 2 : a mythical animal usually represented as a monstrous winged and scaly serpent or saurian with a crested head and enormous claws 3 : a violent, combative, or very strict person 4 capitalized : DRACO 5 : something or someone formidable or baneful
Joe Woodbury wrote:
When I was a little kid, probably eight, I thought rape meant simply attack and said something that very much embarrassed my mother.
Nice. I used to think "muff" meant "butt". I came up with the term "muffication" to mean "become asphyxiated, such as by a pillow or J-Lo's muff". Hilarity ensued.
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And I am a crap typist by the way! But I read a lot. About 2 books a week if I can. I alays have, my dads the same and my sister too. I gues its in the genes. I shouldnt criticise really, some of those words arent very common and perhaps very much more used in England like chuffed for example. Havr to say though isnt Lady Chatterlies Lover a little old and particular? I like historical novels currently, used ot be into scifi alot.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Chuff is a very interesting word - it is an old English dialect word for the "ladyparts" - it can be used as a noun e.g. he is as tight as a gnat's chuff (he is very mean)
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Well done! :) My velveteen palfrey was chuffed to abey me at the coliery denuding the hazel inequitably startled by a squib in the braken. Ah, and all that in les words!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I tend to keep reading and hope for the best. With books like 'A clockwork orange' or 'Feersum Endjinn' that's about all you can do because the words don't actually exist outside of the book. Besides, I have no real desire to learn archaic English. That said, I am reading my first ever Wodehouse! Which is pretty odd, because I've read everything by Tom Sharpe and Pratchett. He's a bit like Shakespeare, you're kinda assumed to have read his stuff, it's like the foundation upon which the language is built.
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And I am a crap typist by the way! But I read a lot. About 2 books a week if I can. I alays have, my dads the same and my sister too. I gues its in the genes. I shouldnt criticise really, some of those words arent very common and perhaps very much more used in England like chuffed for example. Havr to say though isnt Lady Chatterlies Lover a little old and particular? I like historical novels currently, used ot be into scifi alot.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Damn! I don't know if I am stupid, or your fingers are. A thread about words, claiming you can't type, and you can't even proof-read what you write.
fat_boy wrote:
i.e., alays gues shouldnt criticise arent Havr isnt Chatterlies ot
Makes one discount everything you are writing (i.e., 1 votes, I guess). :mad: Turn on your damn spell-check, at least. Your writing reads like you're about 10 years old.
Gary
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I've been reading Lady Chatterley's Lover recently, usually in bed as I fall to sleep for the night. As an experiment, I decided to bring a notepad with me to write down words I didn't know as I read. After reading about 5-10 pages, there were about 30-40 words I don't know or was not sure of the precise meaning. Some of those words included:
- Hazel (not the color)
- Chuffed
- Bracken
- Denuded
- Colliery
- Palfreys
- Velveteens
- Equanimity
- Abeyance
- Coquetry
- Squibs
Before I start reading it again, I am going through each word and looking up the definition (I have some dictionary software installed on my computer). Though I do find this somewhat cumbersome, I don't find it nearly as cumbersome as looking up each word as I read it (would distract my train of thought). I also find having to write down each word distracting. What strategies do you all have for learning new words in the material you are reading?
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.... um..... I was tired? :-\
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But lets be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
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I've been reading Lady Chatterley's Lover recently, usually in bed as I fall to sleep for the night. As an experiment, I decided to bring a notepad with me to write down words I didn't know as I read. After reading about 5-10 pages, there were about 30-40 words I don't know or was not sure of the precise meaning. Some of those words included:
- Hazel (not the color)
- Chuffed
- Bracken
- Denuded
- Colliery
- Palfreys
- Velveteens
- Equanimity
- Abeyance
- Coquetry
- Squibs
Before I start reading it again, I am going through each word and looking up the definition (I have some dictionary software installed on my computer). Though I do find this somewhat cumbersome, I don't find it nearly as cumbersome as looking up each word as I read it (would distract my train of thought). I also find having to write down each word distracting. What strategies do you all have for learning new words in the material you are reading?
That's one thing I really like about the Kindle, it has a built in dictionary, and you can click on a line and it will give you the definition of all the words on that line. Really helpful. Of course, it does break the flow of reading, as it takes a couple seconds to popup and you have to run through a couple clicks and then click back to get to the reading. Still, not much more distracting then stopping to write the word down.
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I've been reading Lady Chatterley's Lover recently, usually in bed as I fall to sleep for the night. As an experiment, I decided to bring a notepad with me to write down words I didn't know as I read. After reading about 5-10 pages, there were about 30-40 words I don't know or was not sure of the precise meaning. Some of those words included:
- Hazel (not the color)
- Chuffed
- Bracken
- Denuded
- Colliery
- Palfreys
- Velveteens
- Equanimity
- Abeyance
- Coquetry
- Squibs
Before I start reading it again, I am going through each word and looking up the definition (I have some dictionary software installed on my computer). Though I do find this somewhat cumbersome, I don't find it nearly as cumbersome as looking up each word as I read it (would distract my train of thought). I also find having to write down each word distracting. What strategies do you all have for learning new words in the material you are reading?
I Read on a Kindle. The dictionary is just a button away. I find I lookup words I thought I knew because it's so easy.
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And I am a crap typist by the way! But I read a lot. About 2 books a week if I can. I alays have, my dads the same and my sister too. I gues its in the genes. I shouldnt criticise really, some of those words arent very common and perhaps very much more used in England like chuffed for example. Havr to say though isnt Lady Chatterlies Lover a little old and particular? I like historical novels currently, used ot be into scifi alot.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Even typing without a word processor with spelling and grammar checker is still much easier. Imagine how frustrated you would be if you had to hack it out on a typewriter. Back in my college days, I was a crap typist and written assignments were extremely frustrating. But, with more practice (and a lot of white out) [no, I am not blonde for those of you who are thinking of those blonde jokes], I got better. When I started as a freshman, it would take a half a day to get out a 2 page paper, double spaced. By the time I was in my last semester (4 years later), I could get out a 5 page paper in about an hour. With a word processor, I can pass 20 pages in less than an hour. Keep working on it.
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Damn! I don't know if I am stupid, or your fingers are. A thread about words, claiming you can't type, and you can't even proof-read what you write.
fat_boy wrote:
i.e., alays gues shouldnt criticise arent Havr isnt Chatterlies ot
Makes one discount everything you are writing (i.e., 1 votes, I guess). :mad: Turn on your damn spell-check, at least. Your writing reads like you're about 10 years old.
Gary
OK, its a Belgium laptop witha UK keyboard map, and I was typing in the dark. I also have quite big fingers. Actualy I am generally quite big! I find almost all keyboards impossible for me to use accurately. And how do you turn on spell checking for a web page?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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American kids these days (i.e., me) don't read for the most part. Well, I do, but mostly only technical books.
aspdotnetdev wrote:
American kids these days (i.e., me) don't read for the most part
Yep, i suppose that is the reason. I have always read voraciously (another word for you to look up :) ). It improves your spelling too. Well, untill you learn a foreign language like French, whereupon you English spelling starts to go out the window!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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aspdotnetdev wrote:
American kids these days (i.e., me) don't read for the most part
Yep, i suppose that is the reason. I have always read voraciously (another word for you to look up :) ). It improves your spelling too. Well, untill you learn a foreign language like French, whereupon you English spelling starts to go out the window!
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
another word for you to look up
I knew that word already, thank you very much! Naaay! Dus i git a gowld stare now? :rolleyes:
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.... um..... I was tired? :-\
I'd blame it on the Brain farts.. But lets be honest, it really is more like a Methane factory between my ears some days then it is anything else...
No, you use IE - Firefox always corrects me