The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil
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The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil[^] So, what do you guys think? fact or fraud?
I think the article is a fraud. It takes the headlines and says they are anti-AGW,but read the headlines 1) people making mistakes are putting the planet in danger 2) mistakes give critics an opportunity to speak 3) people making mistakes hurting AGW agenda 4) it's cold, so people both sides are claiming win They are not saying anything anti AGW, and the article writer makes it sound like the debate will make a difference. Then he sets up a table like this:
These people are not:
Brilliant Stupid
My Friends The Bad GuysIt is so obvious it can't be subliminal. :rolleyes: It is this kind of crap that gives people a bad name. Is AGW snake oil? In the sense that there is global warming and no experimental proof as to the cause, yes. You can't run an experiment to test your theories, you have no controls. Is it plausible? Sure. There are a number of plausible theories, AGW is one that a lot of people believe. Is global warming the end of the world? Not just no, but hell no. The climate has been changing for about 4.5 billion year. We are doing less damage to the environment than blue-green algae did before us. If you believe in gaia, this is just earth's way of getting rid of us. Are you telling me gaia is wrong? :omg: Get over humans, the earth will, even if we nuke the crap out of it, in a few hundred million years, a billion or two at most, another dominant species will look back and say: "The sudden nuclear event marking the boundary between the two eras is what wiped out humans and created the opening for cockroaches to evolve intelligence, and take over the world."
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil[^] So, what do you guys think? fact or fraud?
U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend[^] UN Climate Chief Yvo De Boer To Resign [^] Al Gore's Nine Lies [^] How this man is destroying the credibility of science[^] No apology from IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri for glacier fallacy[^] EPA Suppresses Internal Global Warming Study [^] Climategate update: 'The wheels are coming off for the IPCC'[^] First Climategate, now Glaciergate[^] THE NEW CLIMATE CHANGE SCANDAL [^]
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I think the article is a fraud. It takes the headlines and says they are anti-AGW,but read the headlines 1) people making mistakes are putting the planet in danger 2) mistakes give critics an opportunity to speak 3) people making mistakes hurting AGW agenda 4) it's cold, so people both sides are claiming win They are not saying anything anti AGW, and the article writer makes it sound like the debate will make a difference. Then he sets up a table like this:
These people are not:
Brilliant Stupid
My Friends The Bad GuysIt is so obvious it can't be subliminal. :rolleyes: It is this kind of crap that gives people a bad name. Is AGW snake oil? In the sense that there is global warming and no experimental proof as to the cause, yes. You can't run an experiment to test your theories, you have no controls. Is it plausible? Sure. There are a number of plausible theories, AGW is one that a lot of people believe. Is global warming the end of the world? Not just no, but hell no. The climate has been changing for about 4.5 billion year. We are doing less damage to the environment than blue-green algae did before us. If you believe in gaia, this is just earth's way of getting rid of us. Are you telling me gaia is wrong? :omg: Get over humans, the earth will, even if we nuke the crap out of it, in a few hundred million years, a billion or two at most, another dominant species will look back and say: "The sudden nuclear event marking the boundary between the two eras is what wiped out humans and created the opening for cockroaches to evolve intelligence, and take over the world."
Opacity, the new Transparency.
The only thing AGW is about is Money and Power.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^] "/I habe an educatiomn a title and a meddal" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010 "...I am not that good" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010
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The only thing AGW is about is Money and Power.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^] "/I habe an educatiomn a title and a meddal" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010 "...I am not that good" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010
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U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend[^] UN Climate Chief Yvo De Boer To Resign [^] Al Gore's Nine Lies [^] How this man is destroying the credibility of science[^] No apology from IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri for glacier fallacy[^] EPA Suppresses Internal Global Warming Study [^] Climategate update: 'The wheels are coming off for the IPCC'[^] First Climategate, now Glaciergate[^] THE NEW CLIMATE CHANGE SCANDAL [^]
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Only a Eugenicist would deny GW. You want us to believe there is no problem so that when it's too late millions of people will be wiped out. You're just a puppet for the power hungry Eugenicist politicians who are mad with power.
I so want to give you a five for that!
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Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend[^] UN Climate Chief Yvo De Boer To Resign [^] Al Gore's Nine Lies [^] How this man is destroying the credibility of science[^] No apology from IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri for glacier fallacy[^] EPA Suppresses Internal Global Warming Study [^] Climategate update: 'The wheels are coming off for the IPCC'[^] First Climategate, now Glaciergate[^] THE NEW CLIMATE CHANGE SCANDAL [^]
So Captain SeeVee cuts and pastes other peoples' ideas yet again. Oh, and it's not Money and Power, it is Wealth and Power.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
modified on Monday, March 8, 2010 5:56 AM
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So Captain SeeVee cuts and pastes other peoples' ideas yet again. Oh, and it's not Money and Power, it is Wealth and Power.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
modified on Monday, March 8, 2010 5:56 AM
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U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend[^] UN Climate Chief Yvo De Boer To Resign [^] Al Gore's Nine Lies [^] How this man is destroying the credibility of science[^] No apology from IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri for glacier fallacy[^] EPA Suppresses Internal Global Warming Study [^] Climategate update: 'The wheels are coming off for the IPCC'[^] First Climategate, now Glaciergate[^] THE NEW CLIMATE CHANGE SCANDAL [^]
O.K. I have read your links (except for Al Gore, who is a politician). Why so many linking to the glaciers in the Himalayas? One need only read it once. Why the link to the discredited Peter Spencer story? You had been told[^] that it was his family who were repossessing his land in payment of an outstanding loan. None of these links provide any evidence against the hypothesis of AGW. True, Doctor Alan Carlin questioned the degree and rate of GW attributable to CO2, and drew attention to additional mechanisms that could cause Climate Change, but his paper is, by his own admission, not a scientific analysis.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
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O.K. I have read your links (except for Al Gore, who is a politician). Why so many linking to the glaciers in the Himalayas? One need only read it once. Why the link to the discredited Peter Spencer story? You had been told[^] that it was his family who were repossessing his land in payment of an outstanding loan. None of these links provide any evidence against the hypothesis of AGW. True, Doctor Alan Carlin questioned the degree and rate of GW attributable to CO2, and drew attention to additional mechanisms that could cause Climate Change, but his paper is, by his own admission, not a scientific analysis.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
Pillowpants doesn't have any evidence... That's why he always posts links attacking the credibility of the most well-known AGW advocates. You know, the whole thing reminds me of this[^] little movie snippet... Nick Naylor: Exactly, but you can't win that argument... so, I'll ask you: so you think chocolate is the end all and the all of ice-cream, do you? Joey Naylor: It's the best ice-cream, I wouldn't order any other. Nick Naylor: Oh! So it's all chocolate for you is it? Joey Naylor: Yes, chocolate is all I need. Nick Naylor: Well, I need more than chocolate, and for that matter I need more than vanilla. I believe that we need freedom. And choice when it comes to our ice-cream, and that Joey Naylor, that is the defintion of liberty. Joey Naylor: But that's not what we're talking about Nick Naylor: Ah! But that's what I'm talking about. Joey Naylor: ...but you didn't prove that vanilla was the best... Nick Naylor: I didn't have to. I proved that you're wrong, and if you're wrong I'm right. Joey Naylor: But you still didn't convince me Nick Naylor: It's that I'm not after you. I'm after them. [points into the crowd] Just ignores the facts, changes the debate to something he can win, and presses it hard... Everyone with a brain knows he's an idiot, but the general public might start to agree with him.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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Bob Emmett wrote:
So Captain SeeVee cuts and pastes other peoples' ideas yet again.
Nothing wrong with quoting other people if they are credible. In this instance I think they are, at least to some extent (I only clicked the first link). Haakon S.
Captain SeeVee does not understand the science underlying the arguments for and against AGW. (On this forum, who does? :) ) He can thus only post links to headlines that read as if they will discredit AGW. None these links (absent Al Gore, who discredits everything he is involved in) does.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
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The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil[^] So, what do you guys think? fact or fraud?
2 facts: 1- The winter have been very warm, with 4 to 6 degrees Celsius above average. Almost no snow. The temperature never went down to -30C, which is not normal. Although I can enjoy an early spring, it scares me a little. 2- In Iles-de-la-Madeleine, there was no ice banks for seals to mate. First time I heard of this one though. Even if science is wrong, it does not mean GW is not happening. I am among the skeptics, but a skeptic on both sides.
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Only a Eugenicist would deny GW. You want us to believe there is no problem so that when it's too late millions of people will be wiped out. You're just a puppet for the power hungry Eugenicist politicians who are mad with power.
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The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil[^] So, what do you guys think? fact or fraud?
GW is just the latest fad religion. People will either believe it or not. There is little chance of convincing a believer it is not happening. Or vice versa. Everyone will point to the collection of facts that they like and shout them from the rooftops. My problem with it all is that without knowing for sure what's happening or what's causing it, these same people who can't agree sure have a lot of ideas on how to fix it. My guess is that any cure will be far worse than the disease.
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The only thing AGW is about is Money and Power.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^] "/I habe an educatiomn a title and a meddal" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010 "...I am not that good" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Money and Power.
What on earth are you claiming to know about either of those things ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend[^] UN Climate Chief Yvo De Boer To Resign [^] Al Gore's Nine Lies [^] How this man is destroying the credibility of science[^] No apology from IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri for glacier fallacy[^] EPA Suppresses Internal Global Warming Study [^] Climategate update: 'The wheels are coming off for the IPCC'[^] First Climategate, now Glaciergate[^] THE NEW CLIMATE CHANGE SCANDAL [^]
Like I said below, I read a book called 'why people believe weird things'. Then last night I saw a TV show on the new KKK. The members all looked and acted exactly as I imagine you ( that is, in general, not as a KKK member ). It was like I thought about you all weekend, because so many things kept reminding me of you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Like I said below, I read a book called 'why people believe weird things'. Then last night I saw a TV show on the new KKK. The members all looked and acted exactly as I imagine you ( that is, in general, not as a KKK member ). It was like I thought about you all weekend, because so many things kept reminding me of you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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GW is just the latest fad religion. People will either believe it or not. There is little chance of convincing a believer it is not happening. Or vice versa. Everyone will point to the collection of facts that they like and shout them from the rooftops. My problem with it all is that without knowing for sure what's happening or what's causing it, these same people who can't agree sure have a lot of ideas on how to fix it. My guess is that any cure will be far worse than the disease.
The issue is entirely that it has become a religion, and almost no-one who wants to discuss it, wants to discuss it rationally, be it Al Gore, or Captain Retard. Neither cares what the facts are.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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2 facts: 1- The winter have been very warm, with 4 to 6 degrees Celsius above average. Almost no snow. The temperature never went down to -30C, which is not normal. Although I can enjoy an early spring, it scares me a little. 2- In Iles-de-la-Madeleine, there was no ice banks for seals to mate. First time I heard of this one though. Even if science is wrong, it does not mean GW is not happening. I am among the skeptics, but a skeptic on both sides.
Yes, as is so often the case, the truth is in the middle and all the zealots are wrong, on both sides.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.