The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil
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Only a Eugenicist would deny GW. You want us to believe there is no problem so that when it's too late millions of people will be wiped out. You're just a puppet for the power hungry Eugenicist politicians who are mad with power.
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I so want to give you a five for that!
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Panic, Chaos, Destruction. My work here is done. or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
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O.K. I have read your links (except for Al Gore, who is a politician). Why so many linking to the glaciers in the Himalayas? One need only read it once. Why the link to the discredited Peter Spencer story? You had been told[^] that it was his family who were repossessing his land in payment of an outstanding loan. None of these links provide any evidence against the hypothesis of AGW. True, Doctor Alan Carlin questioned the degree and rate of GW attributable to CO2, and drew attention to additional mechanisms that could cause Climate Change, but his paper is, by his own admission, not a scientific analysis.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
Evidence that shows that current temperatures are not due to GH gas warming: 1) SOuth pole is cooling and has been for 50 years or so. 2) Troposphere is not as warm as it should be. There you go, Pure simple fact that shows that GH gas warming is not occuring.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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2 facts: 1- The winter have been very warm, with 4 to 6 degrees Celsius above average. Almost no snow. The temperature never went down to -30C, which is not normal. Although I can enjoy an early spring, it scares me a little. 2- In Iles-de-la-Madeleine, there was no ice banks for seals to mate. First time I heard of this one though. Even if science is wrong, it does not mean GW is not happening. I am among the skeptics, but a skeptic on both sides.
Well, as anyone wil tell you, you need LOTS of weather to make a climate and one warm winter in Vancouver isnt convincing on its own. Especially since the elsewhere snow and cold records have been set.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil[^] So, what do you guys think? fact or fraud?
Truth has never been determined by popularity. Darwin wasnt popular and yet adaptation of species has been seen to occur since he proposed the theory. Anyway. Two facts that disprove that GH gas warming is occuring today. 1) South pole is cooling and has been for 50 years. 2) The troposphere is not as warm as it should. Its plain simple empiracle science.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Evidence that shows that current temperatures are not due to GH gas warming: 1) SOuth pole is cooling and has been for 50 years or so. 2) Troposphere is not as warm as it should be. There you go, Pure simple fact that shows that GH gas warming is not occuring.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
There you go, Pure simple fact that shows that GH gas warming is not occuring.
Well, I was not seeking (dis)proof of AGW, merely pointing out that none of Captain SeeVee's articles prove that it isn't happening. However, neither of your statements (citations, please :) ) prove that AGW is not happening either.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
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Well, as anyone wil tell you, you need LOTS of weather to make a climate and one warm winter in Vancouver isnt convincing on its own. Especially since the elsewhere snow and cold records have been set.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I agree with you. But here it is a trend.
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The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil[^] So, what do you guys think? fact or fraud?
Even if climate change is a fact those who hate change, will be obstructionists till the end and deny it even after it has happened, much like other large events in history. Money will prove to be more important than the lives of some distant country that the majority here cares about. People don't always do what is in their best interests, look at the banking industry. I'd like to believe we can do great things still, but too many forces today and an unengaged public make me less than optimistic. Nationalism is another problem. Too many people think their countries are more important than any other country. Religion is another problem. Some see a coming rapture in the middle east. Human rights of women and people in poorer countries is an issue. Resource shortages causing wars. With some of the geoengineering I've heard of, there are many extremist groups that would work against any complete solution. Most people don't like change or to be held accountable for the impact on the world and each other either.
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Perhaps you werent serious when you wrote "Only a Eugenicist would deny GW. You want us to believe there is no problem so that when it's too late millions of people will be wiped out. You're just a puppet for the power hungry Eugenicist politicians who are mad with power." If you were then you really are an idiot. AGW is Mann made. He made it up when he invented the hockey stick that he now knows to be unreliable. There is SO much data showing AGW isnt happening, And yet you still belileve it. You must be intensely stupid not to be abloe to recognise basic facts and understand basic scientific pribciples.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
There you go, Pure simple fact that shows that GH gas warming is not occuring.
Well, I was not seeking (dis)proof of AGW, merely pointing out that none of Captain SeeVee's articles prove that it isn't happening. However, neither of your statements (citations, please :) ) prove that AGW is not happening either.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
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I agree with you. But here it is a trend.
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For how long, and has it never happened before? And I mean ovee the last 10000 years.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
You know that is impossible to answer.
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Perhaps you werent serious when you wrote "Only a Eugenicist would deny GW. You want us to believe there is no problem so that when it's too late millions of people will be wiped out. You're just a puppet for the power hungry Eugenicist politicians who are mad with power." If you were then you really are an idiot. AGW is Mann made. He made it up when he invented the hockey stick that he now knows to be unreliable. There is SO much data showing AGW isnt happening, And yet you still belileve it. You must be intensely stupid not to be abloe to recognise basic facts and understand basic scientific pribciples.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
AGW is Mann made.
Twaddle. Anthropogenic warming was the predominant subject in climate science papers in the 1970s (none of them by Mann), long before the Hockey Stick.
fat_boy wrote:
There is SO much data showing AGW isnt happening
There is so much data showing that AGW may be happening. There is so much data showing that AGW may not be happening. There is so much more for climate scientists to understand before policy can be based on their pronouncements. In the mean time, let's just concentrate on reducing our dependence on finite sources of energy.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
Well, I was not seeking (dis)proof of AGW
Wellm you got them anyway. Now are you going to check out what I wrote and cone to the same conclusion as me?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Wellm you got them anyway. Now are you going to check out what I wrote and cone to the same conclusion as me?
You have made two unsupported statements. You prove 'em, I don't have to. I am AGW neutral as far as the science is concerned. I am anti any policies being implemented on the basis of current knowledge. I strongly resent the politicisation of this subject.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
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Well, as anyone wil tell you, you need LOTS of weather to make a climate and one warm winter in Vancouver isnt convincing on its own. Especially since the elsewhere snow and cold records have been set.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
True - the issue is, a warm day does not prove global warming, and a cold winter does not disprove it. Neither side wins this argument.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Perhaps you werent serious when you wrote "Only a Eugenicist would deny GW. You want us to believe there is no problem so that when it's too late millions of people will be wiped out. You're just a puppet for the power hungry Eugenicist politicians who are mad with power." If you were then you really are an idiot. AGW is Mann made. He made it up when he invented the hockey stick that he now knows to be unreliable. There is SO much data showing AGW isnt happening, And yet you still belileve it. You must be intensely stupid not to be abloe to recognise basic facts and understand basic scientific pribciples.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Perhaps you werent serious when you wrote
If you participated in these forums at all instead of just blasting them with your anti AGW 'gospel', you'd know that CSS calls me a eugenicist constantly, based on either his stupidity, his desire to get a rise or, most likely, his desire to distract from his inability to respond when I answer his claims. Josh was plainly throwing that in his face.
fat_boy wrote:
AGW is Mann made.
No, it's man made. All people are contributing to it. Not just some dude named Mann.
fat_boy wrote:
He made it up when he invented the hockey stick that he now knows to be unreliable.
If you knew anything about this, you'd know that the data that was replaced, started as recent tree ring data, and was replaced by the actual known temperatures. There is exaggeration in the AGW camp, and there's certainly exaggeration and lies in the anti AGW camp. It's tragic in it's own way that while I don't believe we face a 'Day after tomorrow' style disaster, we do face a real issue, and mankind has turned it into a religious war with believers and heretics.
fat_boy wrote:
There is SO much data showing AGW isnt happening,
There's no real data that shows that. Just like there's no real data that shows the seas are going to swamp us.
fat_boy wrote:
And yet you still belileve it
I understand that you're taking the easy position, that of the zealot. Real life is more nuanced and more complex.
fat_boy wrote:
You must be intensely stupid not to be abloe to recognise basic facts and understand basic scientific pribciples.
I seem to recall you consistently claiming that I can't debate sensibly and that while you take the high moral ground, I resort to insults. Hilarious.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Truth has never been determined by popularity. Darwin wasnt popular and yet adaptation of species has been seen to occur since he proposed the theory. Anyway. Two facts that disprove that GH gas warming is occuring today. 1) South pole is cooling and has been for 50 years. 2) The troposphere is not as warm as it should. Its plain simple empiracle science.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
- South pole is cooling and has been for 50 years.
Once again, you are stuck in the past and show your ignorance. Antarctic melting due to global warming; sea levels may rise[^] and Study Finds New Evidence of Warming in Antarctica[^] And in case you didn't want an editorial Coastal-Change and Glaciological Map of the Palmer Land Area, Antarctica: 1947—2009[^]
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Even if climate change is a fact those who hate change, will be obstructionists till the end and deny it even after it has happened, much like other large events in history. Money will prove to be more important than the lives of some distant country that the majority here cares about. People don't always do what is in their best interests, look at the banking industry. I'd like to believe we can do great things still, but too many forces today and an unengaged public make me less than optimistic. Nationalism is another problem. Too many people think their countries are more important than any other country. Religion is another problem. Some see a coming rapture in the middle east. Human rights of women and people in poorer countries is an issue. Resource shortages causing wars. With some of the geoengineering I've heard of, there are many extremist groups that would work against any complete solution. Most people don't like change or to be held accountable for the impact on the world and each other either.
The only things you are going to get with that mindset are brutally high taxes and absolute tyranny.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^] "/I habe an educatiomn a title and a meddal" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010 "...I am not that good" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010
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fat_boy wrote:
Perhaps you werent serious when you wrote
If you participated in these forums at all instead of just blasting them with your anti AGW 'gospel', you'd know that CSS calls me a eugenicist constantly, based on either his stupidity, his desire to get a rise or, most likely, his desire to distract from his inability to respond when I answer his claims. Josh was plainly throwing that in his face.
fat_boy wrote:
AGW is Mann made.
No, it's man made. All people are contributing to it. Not just some dude named Mann.
fat_boy wrote:
He made it up when he invented the hockey stick that he now knows to be unreliable.
If you knew anything about this, you'd know that the data that was replaced, started as recent tree ring data, and was replaced by the actual known temperatures. There is exaggeration in the AGW camp, and there's certainly exaggeration and lies in the anti AGW camp. It's tragic in it's own way that while I don't believe we face a 'Day after tomorrow' style disaster, we do face a real issue, and mankind has turned it into a religious war with believers and heretics.
fat_boy wrote:
There is SO much data showing AGW isnt happening,
There's no real data that shows that. Just like there's no real data that shows the seas are going to swamp us.
fat_boy wrote:
And yet you still belileve it
I understand that you're taking the easy position, that of the zealot. Real life is more nuanced and more complex.
fat_boy wrote:
You must be intensely stupid not to be abloe to recognise basic facts and understand basic scientific pribciples.
I seem to recall you consistently claiming that I can't debate sensibly and that while you take the high moral ground, I resort to insults. Hilarious.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
There is absolutely no proof of man made global warming.
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album (They sound very much like Metallica, great lyrics too)[^] "/I habe an educatiomn a title and a meddal" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010 "...I am not that good" - Dalek Dave, March 4, 2010