The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil
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The only thing AGW is about is Money and Power.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Money and Power.
What on earth are you claiming to know about either of those things ?
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U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend[^] UN Climate Chief Yvo De Boer To Resign [^] Al Gore's Nine Lies [^] How this man is destroying the credibility of science[^] No apology from IPCC chief Rajendra Pachauri for glacier fallacy[^] EPA Suppresses Internal Global Warming Study [^] Climategate update: 'The wheels are coming off for the IPCC'[^] First Climategate, now Glaciergate[^] THE NEW CLIMATE CHANGE SCANDAL [^]
Like I said below, I read a book called 'why people believe weird things'. Then last night I saw a TV show on the new KKK. The members all looked and acted exactly as I imagine you ( that is, in general, not as a KKK member ). It was like I thought about you all weekend, because so many things kept reminding me of you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Like I said below, I read a book called 'why people believe weird things'. Then last night I saw a TV show on the new KKK. The members all looked and acted exactly as I imagine you ( that is, in general, not as a KKK member ). It was like I thought about you all weekend, because so many things kept reminding me of you.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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GW is just the latest fad religion. People will either believe it or not. There is little chance of convincing a believer it is not happening. Or vice versa. Everyone will point to the collection of facts that they like and shout them from the rooftops. My problem with it all is that without knowing for sure what's happening or what's causing it, these same people who can't agree sure have a lot of ideas on how to fix it. My guess is that any cure will be far worse than the disease.
The issue is entirely that it has become a religion, and almost no-one who wants to discuss it, wants to discuss it rationally, be it Al Gore, or Captain Retard. Neither cares what the facts are.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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2 facts: 1- The winter have been very warm, with 4 to 6 degrees Celsius above average. Almost no snow. The temperature never went down to -30C, which is not normal. Although I can enjoy an early spring, it scares me a little. 2- In Iles-de-la-Madeleine, there was no ice banks for seals to mate. First time I heard of this one though. Even if science is wrong, it does not mean GW is not happening. I am among the skeptics, but a skeptic on both sides.
Yes, as is so often the case, the truth is in the middle and all the zealots are wrong, on both sides.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Only a Eugenicist would deny GW. You want us to believe there is no problem so that when it's too late millions of people will be wiped out. You're just a puppet for the power hungry Eugenicist politicians who are mad with power.
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I so want to give you a five for that!
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O.K. I have read your links (except for Al Gore, who is a politician). Why so many linking to the glaciers in the Himalayas? One need only read it once. Why the link to the discredited Peter Spencer story? You had been told[^] that it was his family who were repossessing his land in payment of an outstanding loan. None of these links provide any evidence against the hypothesis of AGW. True, Doctor Alan Carlin questioned the degree and rate of GW attributable to CO2, and drew attention to additional mechanisms that could cause Climate Change, but his paper is, by his own admission, not a scientific analysis.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
Evidence that shows that current temperatures are not due to GH gas warming: 1) SOuth pole is cooling and has been for 50 years or so. 2) Troposphere is not as warm as it should be. There you go, Pure simple fact that shows that GH gas warming is not occuring.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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2 facts: 1- The winter have been very warm, with 4 to 6 degrees Celsius above average. Almost no snow. The temperature never went down to -30C, which is not normal. Although I can enjoy an early spring, it scares me a little. 2- In Iles-de-la-Madeleine, there was no ice banks for seals to mate. First time I heard of this one though. Even if science is wrong, it does not mean GW is not happening. I am among the skeptics, but a skeptic on both sides.
Well, as anyone wil tell you, you need LOTS of weather to make a climate and one warm winter in Vancouver isnt convincing on its own. Especially since the elsewhere snow and cold records have been set.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil[^] So, what do you guys think? fact or fraud?
Truth has never been determined by popularity. Darwin wasnt popular and yet adaptation of species has been seen to occur since he proposed the theory. Anyway. Two facts that disprove that GH gas warming is occuring today. 1) South pole is cooling and has been for 50 years. 2) The troposphere is not as warm as it should. Its plain simple empiracle science.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Evidence that shows that current temperatures are not due to GH gas warming: 1) SOuth pole is cooling and has been for 50 years or so. 2) Troposphere is not as warm as it should be. There you go, Pure simple fact that shows that GH gas warming is not occuring.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
There you go, Pure simple fact that shows that GH gas warming is not occuring.
Well, I was not seeking (dis)proof of AGW, merely pointing out that none of Captain SeeVee's articles prove that it isn't happening. However, neither of your statements (citations, please :) ) prove that AGW is not happening either.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
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Well, as anyone wil tell you, you need LOTS of weather to make a climate and one warm winter in Vancouver isnt convincing on its own. Especially since the elsewhere snow and cold records have been set.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
I agree with you. But here it is a trend.
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The ‘Climate Change Debate’ Is Science Versus Snake Oil[^] So, what do you guys think? fact or fraud?
Even if climate change is a fact those who hate change, will be obstructionists till the end and deny it even after it has happened, much like other large events in history. Money will prove to be more important than the lives of some distant country that the majority here cares about. People don't always do what is in their best interests, look at the banking industry. I'd like to believe we can do great things still, but too many forces today and an unengaged public make me less than optimistic. Nationalism is another problem. Too many people think their countries are more important than any other country. Religion is another problem. Some see a coming rapture in the middle east. Human rights of women and people in poorer countries is an issue. Resource shortages causing wars. With some of the geoengineering I've heard of, there are many extremist groups that would work against any complete solution. Most people don't like change or to be held accountable for the impact on the world and each other either.
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Perhaps you werent serious when you wrote "Only a Eugenicist would deny GW. You want us to believe there is no problem so that when it's too late millions of people will be wiped out. You're just a puppet for the power hungry Eugenicist politicians who are mad with power." If you were then you really are an idiot. AGW is Mann made. He made it up when he invented the hockey stick that he now knows to be unreliable. There is SO much data showing AGW isnt happening, And yet you still belileve it. You must be intensely stupid not to be abloe to recognise basic facts and understand basic scientific pribciples.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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fat_boy wrote:
There you go, Pure simple fact that shows that GH gas warming is not occuring.
Well, I was not seeking (dis)proof of AGW, merely pointing out that none of Captain SeeVee's articles prove that it isn't happening. However, neither of your statements (citations, please :) ) prove that AGW is not happening either.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
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I agree with you. But here it is a trend.
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For how long, and has it never happened before? And I mean ovee the last 10000 years.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
You know that is impossible to answer.
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Perhaps you werent serious when you wrote "Only a Eugenicist would deny GW. You want us to believe there is no problem so that when it's too late millions of people will be wiped out. You're just a puppet for the power hungry Eugenicist politicians who are mad with power." If you were then you really are an idiot. AGW is Mann made. He made it up when he invented the hockey stick that he now knows to be unreliable. There is SO much data showing AGW isnt happening, And yet you still belileve it. You must be intensely stupid not to be abloe to recognise basic facts and understand basic scientific pribciples.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
AGW is Mann made.
Twaddle. Anthropogenic warming was the predominant subject in climate science papers in the 1970s (none of them by Mann), long before the Hockey Stick.
fat_boy wrote:
There is SO much data showing AGW isnt happening
There is so much data showing that AGW may be happening. There is so much data showing that AGW may not be happening. There is so much more for climate scientists to understand before policy can be based on their pronouncements. In the mean time, let's just concentrate on reducing our dependence on finite sources of energy.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
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Bob Emmett wrote:
Well, I was not seeking (dis)proof of AGW
Wellm you got them anyway. Now are you going to check out what I wrote and cone to the same conclusion as me?
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Wellm you got them anyway. Now are you going to check out what I wrote and cone to the same conclusion as me?
You have made two unsupported statements. You prove 'em, I don't have to. I am AGW neutral as far as the science is concerned. I am anti any policies being implemented on the basis of current knowledge. I strongly resent the politicisation of this subject.
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.