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Snowed in at the in-laws in the middle of nowhere and will now have to spend the night. I'd call it a frozen hell, however they at least have an internet connection, so all is not lost. Global warming my a$$...
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Come to Canada. It's warm and balmy. Actually, the warmest it's been in 63 years. Still not warm enough for this homesick Aussie though!
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Come to Canada. It's warm and balmy. Actually, the warmest it's been in 63 years. Still not warm enough for this homesick Aussie though!
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
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Snowed in at the in-laws in the middle of nowhere and will now have to spend the night. I'd call it a frozen hell, however they at least have an internet connection, so all is not lost. Global warming my a$$...
-NP Never underestimate the creativity of the end-user.
NickPace wrote:
frozen hell
What with the FSM and all, would that be like frozen noodles?
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NickPace wrote:
frozen hell
What with the FSM and all, would that be like frozen noodles?
Christopher Duncan
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Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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The Pastafarian in me would have to agree. Either way I'm cold and unhappy. It's even snowing harder now. I don't think I could bear the thought of being stuck here for two nights.
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Out of intellectual curiosity (as it doesn't offend me personally), I'm wondering why you would go out of your way to explicity insult people. In general, religions exist to promote spiritual views to which their followers subscribe. The whole FSM thing, on the other hand, exists solely to ridicule religions. While I don't necessarily agree with the views of each and every world religion & spiritual path out there (which is pretty much impossible by definition anyway), neither do I feel it necessary to make fun of others for what they believe in. You seem like a decent guy, so I was interested in why you & other Pastafarians do feel the need. Seems kinda mean spirited.
Christopher Duncan
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Out of intellectual curiosity (as it doesn't offend me personally), I'm wondering why you would go out of your way to explicity insult people. In general, religions exist to promote spiritual views to which their followers subscribe. The whole FSM thing, on the other hand, exists solely to ridicule religions. While I don't necessarily agree with the views of each and every world religion & spiritual path out there (which is pretty much impossible by definition anyway), neither do I feel it necessary to make fun of others for what they believe in. You seem like a decent guy, so I was interested in why you & other Pastafarians do feel the need. Seems kinda mean spirited.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesThe Flying Spaghetti Monster was intended to ridicule the decision to teach intelligent design in Kansas schools - intelligent design was essentially creationism except that the designer was intentionally unspecified, so a guy called Bobby Henderson reasoned that any potential intelligent designer would require equal classroom time as the Christian god. I think it's a good thing. If somebody gets insulted by somebody else's beliefs, then they deserve to be insulted.
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Out of intellectual curiosity (as it doesn't offend me personally), I'm wondering why you would go out of your way to explicity insult people. In general, religions exist to promote spiritual views to which their followers subscribe. The whole FSM thing, on the other hand, exists solely to ridicule religions. While I don't necessarily agree with the views of each and every world religion & spiritual path out there (which is pretty much impossible by definition anyway), neither do I feel it necessary to make fun of others for what they believe in. You seem like a decent guy, so I was interested in why you & other Pastafarians do feel the need. Seems kinda mean spirited.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesRemember the discussion about cycling in/on city streets the other day? Coincidentally enough, the wife came home that evening and told me a story about riding the shuttle from the parking lot across campus that morning, in the snow, and having the bus get cut off by a woman on a stretch bicycle with 3 kids on the back. Riding on snowy streets that don't have bike lanes, with 3 kids. You have to understand - the wife knows her way around a bike (used to be a triathlete, before she married me and became corrupted), is as militant as any cyclist about rider's rights, and she thought the woman should have been busted on the spot. And Laramie, I have to say, is the worst damn town I ever rode in as far as bike lanes are concerned. Not to mention cowboy drivers... :rolleyes:
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Come to Canada. It's warm and balmy. Actually, the warmest it's been in 63 years. Still not warm enough for this homesick Aussie though!
cheers, Chris Maunder The Code Project | Co-founder Microsoft C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Still not warm enough for this homesick Aussie though!
I hear that; Wyoming winters are beginning to wear on me, after this one. (Not being an Aussie, but still - it hasn't been particularly cold, except for one snap around Christmas, but the drift that formed in front of the house in October probably won't melt for another month.) California has ruined our tolerance for 6 month winters, I'm afraid. We're looking at maybe moving to New Mexico. ;)
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Out of intellectual curiosity (as it doesn't offend me personally), I'm wondering why you would go out of your way to explicity insult people. In general, religions exist to promote spiritual views to which their followers subscribe. The whole FSM thing, on the other hand, exists solely to ridicule religions. While I don't necessarily agree with the views of each and every world religion & spiritual path out there (which is pretty much impossible by definition anyway), neither do I feel it necessary to make fun of others for what they believe in. You seem like a decent guy, so I was interested in why you & other Pastafarians do feel the need. Seems kinda mean spirited.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesI certainly do not mean to ridicule religion nor insult others for their religious beliefs. I believe that everyone has right to believe in whatever they want. My own kids attend a church and I support them 100%. I simply find the "whole FSM thing" amusing myself, and since I do not personally consider myself a member of any religion, I suppose you could say I use it as my own religious crutch. So please do not take offense or take my possibly somewhat lame attempt at humor out of context.
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The Flying Spaghetti Monster was intended to ridicule the decision to teach intelligent design in Kansas schools - intelligent design was essentially creationism except that the designer was intentionally unspecified, so a guy called Bobby Henderson reasoned that any potential intelligent designer would require equal classroom time as the Christian god. I think it's a good thing. If somebody gets insulted by somebody else's beliefs, then they deserve to be insulted.
Yeah, I'm familiar with how it got started and the whole creationism / intelligent design thing. However, in the life it's taken on post Kansas ("Toto, just exactly where the hell are we now? I swear, this is the last time I let you drive!"), it essentially exists for no other reason than to make fun of people who believe in a diety / supreme being / etc. And that's where I think it's outlived it's original purpose as a symbol of protest and has transformed into something a bit mean spirited.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
If somebody gets insulted by somebody else's beliefs, then they deserve to be insulted.
:rolleyes: Are you seriously going to tell me that people actually believe in the FSM?
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
The Flying Spaghetti Monster was intended to ridicule
Rather my point.
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Yeah, I'm familiar with how it got started and the whole creationism / intelligent design thing. However, in the life it's taken on post Kansas ("Toto, just exactly where the hell are we now? I swear, this is the last time I let you drive!"), it essentially exists for no other reason than to make fun of people who believe in a diety / supreme being / etc. And that's where I think it's outlived it's original purpose as a symbol of protest and has transformed into something a bit mean spirited.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
If somebody gets insulted by somebody else's beliefs, then they deserve to be insulted.
:rolleyes: Are you seriously going to tell me that people actually believe in the FSM?
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
The Flying Spaghetti Monster was intended to ridicule
Rather my point.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesChristopher Duncan wrote:
Are you seriously going to tell me that people actually believe in the FSM?
No, but the offended people have no way of knowing that. I certainly don't see it as being more ridiculous than, say, Mormonism or Scientology.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Rather my point.
It was intended to ridicule something ridiculous.
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I certainly do not mean to ridicule religion nor insult others for their religious beliefs. I believe that everyone has right to believe in whatever they want. My own kids attend a church and I support them 100%. I simply find the "whole FSM thing" amusing myself, and since I do not personally consider myself a member of any religion, I suppose you could say I use it as my own religious crutch. So please do not take offense or take my possibly somewhat lame attempt at humor out of context.
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No worries, man. I'm not offended at all, and I do appreciate the humor in the whole FSM thing. Growing up as a white guy in the South, I observed that racism was extremely common towards anyone who wasn't white. In fact, depending on the region, it was just assumed that someone could tell a racist joke in a crowd of white people and everyone would be okay with it. Because, well, you know, everybody knows that anyone who isn't white is cleary inferior, perhaps not even completely human. As you might imagine, I did find that a bit offensive. However, you don't speak too loudly in some of those circles if you want to make it home alive (and that's only a slight dramatization). But here's the part I found interesting. People tend to grow up parroting what they hear around them. Consequently, a great many people whom I knew to be of good character would, without thinking, express these same racist views and slurs in casual conversation. For instance, if someone did something stupid, it wasn't "this idiot..." it was "this Mexican..." implying that stupidity was just to be expected because, you know, he was only some Mexican so how smart could he be? But these people weren't thinking about what they were really saying, they were just parroting what they heard around them. So when I would hear, "and then this black guy..." I would interject, "You mean as opposed to a white guy, right?" More often than not you could actually see their brains reboot as they realized they were offering racist insults without even being aware of it, at which point they would backtrack, clarify, and actually start thinking about what they were saying. Which was rather my point. And it's in that spirit that I commented on the FSM thing. In America, the Constitution is pretty clear that the government isn't supposed to be in the religion business, so when people believe public schools are crossing that line, they protest the situation in a lawful manner in order to effect change (or prevent it). That's the way it's supposed to work, and the FSM thing intentionally created a ridiculous scenario to illustrate a point. But it's lived on beyond that, and today it's becoming the non/anti religious person's equivalent of "this black guy..." When used in a context beyond the original intelligent design issue, it presents an implication that's not even remotely subtle: "Oh, you believe in imaginary beings? You mean like Flying Spaghetti Monsters? Well now, isn't that cute. You do realize that your beliefs are totally
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Remember the discussion about cycling in/on city streets the other day? Coincidentally enough, the wife came home that evening and told me a story about riding the shuttle from the parking lot across campus that morning, in the snow, and having the bus get cut off by a woman on a stretch bicycle with 3 kids on the back. Riding on snowy streets that don't have bike lanes, with 3 kids. You have to understand - the wife knows her way around a bike (used to be a triathlete, before she married me and became corrupted), is as militant as any cyclist about rider's rights, and she thought the woman should have been busted on the spot. And Laramie, I have to say, is the worst damn town I ever rode in as far as bike lanes are concerned. Not to mention cowboy drivers... :rolleyes:
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Now who's tempting the Wrath of the Hamsters? :-D
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Now who's tempting the Wrath of the Hamsters? :-D
Christopher Duncan
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Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesUh, oh... :doh: ;) :-D Seriously, though, it made me think again about what you'd said. I mean I've always ridden in traffic, in big cities when I lived there... but I've always ridden with my head on a swivel and tried to stay aware of what was going on around me. Never rode with headphones, that sort of thing. And even then, you ride enough miles, eventually you come into contact with a car in one way or another. I've had my share of close encounters with vehicles, and my bike handling skills are pretty good. Just the idea of someone riding in the snow, on Laramie's streets, with kids on the back is ... I don't know. Maybe you really do have to legislate against stupidity sometimes. Either that or just go with Darwin.
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Out of intellectual curiosity (as it doesn't offend me personally), I'm wondering why you would go out of your way to explicity insult people. In general, religions exist to promote spiritual views to which their followers subscribe. The whole FSM thing, on the other hand, exists solely to ridicule religions. While I don't necessarily agree with the views of each and every world religion & spiritual path out there (which is pretty much impossible by definition anyway), neither do I feel it necessary to make fun of others for what they believe in. You seem like a decent guy, so I was interested in why you & other Pastafarians do feel the need. Seems kinda mean spirited.
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting Servicesand I thought FSM was a mens magazine :doh:
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Remember the discussion about cycling in/on city streets the other day? Coincidentally enough, the wife came home that evening and told me a story about riding the shuttle from the parking lot across campus that morning, in the snow, and having the bus get cut off by a woman on a stretch bicycle with 3 kids on the back. Riding on snowy streets that don't have bike lanes, with 3 kids. You have to understand - the wife knows her way around a bike (used to be a triathlete, before she married me and became corrupted), is as militant as any cyclist about rider's rights, and she thought the woman should have been busted on the spot. And Laramie, I have to say, is the worst damn town I ever rode in as far as bike lanes are concerned. Not to mention cowboy drivers... :rolleyes:
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That sort of thing always pisses me off. I ride a fair amount, and commute to work on the bike three seasons out of the year. Inconsiderate and irresponsible morons like that make all riders look bad. This means I have to spend time defending riding rather than evangelizing it.
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Snowed in at the in-laws in the middle of nowhere and will now have to spend the night. I'd call it a frozen hell, however they at least have an internet connection, so all is not lost. Global warming my a$$...
-NP Never underestimate the creativity of the end-user.
NickPace wrote:
I'd call it a frozen hell
At least cold is better than hot. If you die in the cold, your body will be preserved. If you die in hot weather, your body will soon fill with gases and then explode. There will be smell all around. Flies will gather and people will have to cover their noses when cleaning up the mess. In the cold: [0] If you are properly equipped, you can easily deal with it. Hardly anyone dies in the cold. [1] Your vehicle will never over-heat. The heater will keep you warm. [2] You can put on more clothes. Then some more clothes. And some more clothes. [3] Food lasts longer in the cold. In the hot: [0] If you haven't got an Air conditioner, you are dead. In extreme heat, even that will stop working, and you will die. [1] Your vehicle will struggle to keep going. Always over heating. Always in danger of breaking down. [2] You cannot take off all your clothes just to keep cool. It never works. [3] Food becomes smelly and mobile after a while. I wish it would get cold and stay cold every day, all the time, forever.
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NickPace wrote:
I'd call it a frozen hell
At least cold is better than hot. If you die in the cold, your body will be preserved. If you die in hot weather, your body will soon fill with gases and then explode. There will be smell all around. Flies will gather and people will have to cover their noses when cleaning up the mess. In the cold: [0] If you are properly equipped, you can easily deal with it. Hardly anyone dies in the cold. [1] Your vehicle will never over-heat. The heater will keep you warm. [2] You can put on more clothes. Then some more clothes. And some more clothes. [3] Food lasts longer in the cold. In the hot: [0] If you haven't got an Air conditioner, you are dead. In extreme heat, even that will stop working, and you will die. [1] Your vehicle will struggle to keep going. Always over heating. Always in danger of breaking down. [2] You cannot take off all your clothes just to keep cool. It never works. [3] Food becomes smelly and mobile after a while. I wish it would get cold and stay cold every day, all the time, forever.
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Spoken like someone from a warm climate.
Mechanical wrote:
In the cold: [0] If you are properly equipped, you can easily deal with it. Hardly anyone dies in the cold. [1] Your vehicle will never over-heat. The heater will keep you warm. [2] You can put on more clothes. Then some more clothes. And some more clothes. [3] Food lasts longer in the cold.
- Really. Let's talk about people who freeze to death in their own homes - this[^], for example. And this was in Georgia, a fairly warm state. 1) Your vehicle won't overheat because it won't start. The block is frozen solid. 2) And lets see just how effectively you can work when you're bundled up against sub-zero temperatures. 3) Ever try to eat frozen cheese?
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NickPace wrote:
I'd call it a frozen hell
At least cold is better than hot. If you die in the cold, your body will be preserved. If you die in hot weather, your body will soon fill with gases and then explode. There will be smell all around. Flies will gather and people will have to cover their noses when cleaning up the mess. In the cold: [0] If you are properly equipped, you can easily deal with it. Hardly anyone dies in the cold. [1] Your vehicle will never over-heat. The heater will keep you warm. [2] You can put on more clothes. Then some more clothes. And some more clothes. [3] Food lasts longer in the cold. In the hot: [0] If you haven't got an Air conditioner, you are dead. In extreme heat, even that will stop working, and you will die. [1] Your vehicle will struggle to keep going. Always over heating. Always in danger of breaking down. [2] You cannot take off all your clothes just to keep cool. It never works. [3] Food becomes smelly and mobile after a while. I wish it would get cold and stay cold every day, all the time, forever.
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Mechanical wrote:
Hardly anyone dies in the cold.
You need to recheck your stats. Far more people die in the winter than the summer.
Mechanical wrote:
You can put on more clothes. Then some more clothes. And some more clothes.
Try that in the basement apartment my brother had in college. I'd swear that it broke all laws of physics.