Minimum wage [modified]
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Have you ever thought about how obviously unauthentic and counterfeit you are?
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I've often laughed at the way you take cheap shots as an exit strategy when you run out of ways to defend your views, yes.
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I've often laughed at the way you take cheap shots as an exit strategy when you run out of ways to defend your views, yes.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
The thing is though, you don't believe in what you are saying, so I'm not going to argue with you.
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The thing is though, you don't believe in what you are saying, so I'm not going to argue with you.
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See what I mean ? I believe exactly what I am saying. Even if the government causes inflation, it also decides not to let minimum wages keep up with it, it's still the case that the government is not acting in a remotely socialist way, it's supporting capitalism at the expense of societies weaker members.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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See what I mean ? I believe exactly what I am saying. Even if the government causes inflation, it also decides not to let minimum wages keep up with it, it's still the case that the government is not acting in a remotely socialist way, it's supporting capitalism at the expense of societies weaker members.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
t's still the case that the government is not acting in a remotely socialist way
Last thing before I let the M1 finish the job. Again, you are not genuine, you are simply being a POS sociopath scumbag, the lowest of the low. Ten pillars of communism. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of civil army. 9. Abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools.
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There's no association. Tell me your thoughts. I'd love a rational response instead of the stuff CSS presents.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Actually, for once CSS is speaking from a position of knowledge. If there is anyone on this site who knows about minimum wage, it will be CSS. Those Pizza Deliveries don't pay well. And why is he called Drag on Floor now?
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Christian Graus wrote:
t's still the case that the government is not acting in a remotely socialist way
Last thing before I let the M1 finish the job. Again, you are not genuine, you are simply being a POS sociopath scumbag, the lowest of the low. Ten pillars of communism. 1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. 2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. 3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. 4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. 5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. 6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state. 7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state. 8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of civil army. 9. Abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country. 10. Free education for all children in public schools.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Again, you are not genuine, you are simply being a POS sociopath scumbag, the lowest of the low.
On what do you base this theory ?
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Ten pillars of communism.
Where did you get this from ? What makes it true ? Most of this list is plainly not happening in your country, or mine. You have to play word games like 'property tax means you don't own your property' to try to make it true. Either way, it's not a response to anything I said. It's actually irrelevant. If communists wanted free education, does that mean America would be stronger if it abolished it's school system ? What does this have to do with minimum wage ? I agree that government run health care, or welfare, or minimum wage laws, are socialist by definition. You're just wrong to think that pure capitalism is a system that works, or is fair. It works for the winners, and crushes the losers. Pure socialism is an evil, but so is pure capitalism. Just because I have more money than you'll ever see in one place in my general savings account, doesn't mean I want to crush the poor, or don't care about some level of equity in society.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Actually, for once CSS is speaking from a position of knowledge. If there is anyone on this site who knows about minimum wage, it will be CSS. Those Pizza Deliveries don't pay well. And why is he called Drag on Floor now?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
dragonflower is an account that's only ever posted in here, generally to me, and has only posted 22 times. I think it's a CSS account, he denies it, I can't be bothered arguing.
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The core of the health issue, is that the government allows corporations to exploit their workforce. The minimum wage is $5.15 an hour in the US. Assume a 40 hour week and you get $10,700 a year. However, places like Target hire mostly casual staff, and hire too many, so that they fight amongst themselves for hours, and never know if they will get work from one week to the next. So, being generous, people on minimum wage probably work two jobs, work 60 horus a week and live on $14k ( b/c no-one could live on $7k a year ). That $1160 a month. Now take a health care system where a basic doctors visit without insurance costs $500 ( remember as these are casual workers they get no health benefits, no sick days, no annual leave ), and it's clear that there's no room for these overworked, undernourished people to get sick. So, once again, unfettered capitalism is allowed to exploit societies weakest members and just throw them on the trash heap when that work wears them out and they are no longer fit to keep working. How is that 'liberty and the pursuit of happiness' ? Our government lets corporations do this, too, but our minimum wage is $13.49 for full time work and $16.19 for casual work. That's more than THREE times what it is in the US. We have a sliding scale, so people from start of work to 20, work up to that minimum. That means there's a minimum for kids working for pocket money and a minimum for adults. The US does not have this, ostensibly to protect kids from being paid too little, but really it's to stop adults from being paid enough. The casual minimum wage for kids under 16 is $7.20. That's right, a 15 yo here gets 40% more for working at McDonalds than a 35 year old man in the USA would get.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
modified on Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:14 PM
This reminds me of a show/doumentary called 30 days[^] by Morgan Spurlock (the guy that did Super Size Me) where he or someone else spends 30 days in a different lifestyle, the first show was on minimum wage in the US and showed that while it may be possible to exist on minimum wage it's no life.
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This reminds me of a show/doumentary called 30 days[^] by Morgan Spurlock (the guy that did Super Size Me) where he or someone else spends 30 days in a different lifestyle, the first show was on minimum wage in the US and showed that while it may be possible to exist on minimum wage it's no life.
Yes, I have that on DVD, and I think that was one of the best episodes. I have a number of books on the topic as well, on similar themes, often. One in particular had a journalist try to live on minimum wage and had interviews with the people she worked with.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Actually, for once CSS is speaking from a position of knowledge. If there is anyone on this site who knows about minimum wage, it will be CSS. Those Pizza Deliveries don't pay well. And why is he called Drag on Floor now?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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Yes, I have that on DVD, and I think that was one of the best episodes. I have a number of books on the topic as well, on similar themes, often. One in particular had a journalist try to live on minimum wage and had interviews with the people she worked with.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Have you read the book Jennifer Government[^]? Think of a world where corporations have little to no regard for government, and where employees surnames are the companny you work for, here's[^] part of chapter 1. From Chapter 1: “Um...” Hack said. He swallowed. “Isn’t this kind of... illegal?” “He wants to know if it’s illegal,” the John said, amused. “You’re a funny guy, Hack. Yes, it’s illegal, killing people without their consent, that’s very illegal.” Vice-President John said, “But the question is: what does it cost us? Even if we get found out, we burn a few million on legal fees, we get fined a few million more... bottom-line, we’re still way out in front.”
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*grin* even the high end of the minimum wage scale is ludicrous, IMO. And it does not take in to account how rarely people earning this get given regular hours, or sick leave, etc.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I absolutely agree with you; what's more, with the base level set so low, you can see how it's possible to achieve the ridiculous disparity in income level that has come to typify corporate pay schedules. The truth is, as has been well documented, that the real purchasing power of the average worker has been in decline for 30 years or more. There was a time when a blue-collar, Archie Bunker type could, with a regular 40 hour per week job, have some hope of buying a little home and improving his lot, and that of his offspring, in life. Sadly, that's no longer as true as it was. If at all.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Have you read the book Jennifer Government[^]? Think of a world where corporations have little to no regard for government, and where employees surnames are the companny you work for, here's[^] part of chapter 1. From Chapter 1: “Um...” Hack said. He swallowed. “Isn’t this kind of... illegal?” “He wants to know if it’s illegal,” the John said, amused. “You’re a funny guy, Hack. Yes, it’s illegal, killing people without their consent, that’s very illegal.” Vice-President John said, “But the question is: what does it cost us? Even if we get found out, we burn a few million on legal fees, we get fined a few million more... bottom-line, we’re still way out in front.”
I don't read fiction as a rule, but that sounds interesting, I just may Amazon it.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I absolutely agree with you; what's more, with the base level set so low, you can see how it's possible to achieve the ridiculous disparity in income level that has come to typify corporate pay schedules. The truth is, as has been well documented, that the real purchasing power of the average worker has been in decline for 30 years or more. There was a time when a blue-collar, Archie Bunker type could, with a regular 40 hour per week job, have some hope of buying a little home and improving his lot, and that of his offspring, in life. Sadly, that's no longer as true as it was. If at all.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
There was a time when a blue-collar, Archie Bunker type could, with a regular 40 hour per week job, have some hope of buying a little home and improving his lot, and that of his offspring, in life. Sadly, that's no longer as true as it was. If at all.
And the real question is not, is that capitalism or is that socialism, as if all of lifes goods and bads can be so easily defined. The real question is, does that outcome benefit society as a whole, and if not, are we willing to live with it just because we live above it ( presumably, given that this is a site for professional people, CSS being an obvious exception ).
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Actually, for once CSS is speaking from a position of knowledge. If there is anyone on this site who knows about minimum wage, it will be CSS. Those Pizza Deliveries don't pay well. And why is he called Drag on Floor now?
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
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dragonflower is an account that's only ever posted in here, generally to me, and has only posted 22 times. I think it's a CSS account, he denies it, I can't be bothered arguing.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I guess the site I found reported the absolute minimum ( which is in Wyoming ), or the Federal minimum ( which I expect is the lower of the two, the states going above, but not below, what the Federal government decides is the allowable minimum ). My point stands, on every level.
dragonflower wrote:
i only have one account.
Which has only ever been used in the soapbox, and only 22 times. I'm sorry if this is true, but given the nature of this forum, the fact it is hidden, and the fact that it's on a site for programmers, what you say does not gel with the tendency some users have to run many accounts.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Which has only ever been used in the soapbox, and only 22 times. I'm sorry if this is true, but given the nature of this forum, the fact it is hidden, and the fact that it's on a site for programmers, what you say does not gel with the tendency some users have to run many accounts.
Gee, you insist on being exactly the same kind of ass Oakman was over her. Funny how neither of you can own up to being wrong.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can't be bothered arguing
That is the most sensible thing you've said in relation to your issue with him in weeks. For the sake of all that is decent in the world JUST DON'T FUCKING REPLY TO HIM.
Josh Gray wrote:
That is the most sensible thing you've said in relation to your issue with him in weeks. For the sake of all that is decent in the world JUST DON'T f***ing REPLY TO HIM.
And the chances of that happening are slim and none? Probably much closer to none. :laugh:
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Which has only ever been used in the soapbox, and only 22 times. I'm sorry if this is true, but given the nature of this forum, the fact it is hidden, and the fact that it's on a site for programmers, what you say does not gel with the tendency some users have to run many accounts.
Gee, you insist on being exactly the same kind of ass Oakman was over her. Funny how neither of you can own up to being wrong.
You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists.
Tim Craig wrote:
Gee, you insist on being exactly the same kind of ass Oakman was over her.
You're saying this is a girl ? I could care less. CSS uses fake accounts at times, and this person may well not be CSS ( I did say that, in fact ), but it's far more logical to assume that an account that just happens to have only ever posted in the soapbox, seems at first glance to have been used to support CSSs views, and has been used very rarely over the space of many years ( and, most important, seems to have understood the rules of the SB from the moment they somehow found it and started posting here ), is CSS. I thought you were a big fan of Occams Razor ? The chances are one of two things: 1 - it's CSS and I'm not falling for it 2 - it's someone who cares so little about this site they post here every few months, despite being fully conversant with the nature of the soapbox and only posting here If it's 1, I win. If it's 2, which is unlikely, then I risk offending someone who doesn't care much about the site anyhow, so there's no major harm done. Either way, I've only politely commented, I've not been abusive, and I've admitted I don't know for sure, I'm just making a common sense assumption.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I can't be bothered arguing
That is the most sensible thing you've said in relation to your issue with him in weeks. For the sake of all that is decent in the world JUST DON'T FUCKING REPLY TO HIM.
Josh Gray wrote:
That is the most sensible thing you've said in relation to your issue with him in weeks.
I've only had an issue with him for days, tho.
Josh Gray wrote:
For the sake of all that is decent in the world JUST DON'T f***ing REPLY TO HIM.
My complaint is that he doesn't reply to discuss the text he copies and pastes. If I did not reply to him at all, I wouldn't have any issue, right ?
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