Gay CP'ians
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No, mate. You'd be the only one.
Haha! :laugh:
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David Wulff wrote: Take a look around you - at least one person in every ten - either sex - is homosexual (openly or closet), and out of the rest just under half will play both sides during their lives to some extent and all but a few remaining individuals will die with insecurities. I'm interested to know where you get these figures from ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
I'll answer both you and Domenic in one go 'cause I'm off to bed now: At School. I didn't go to a religious school so they taught things such as sexuality without attaching morality to them. The one in ten figure came from, strangely enough, an Austrailian video we were forced to watch during a biology lesson and the ensuing week or so of followup work, but I have heard it mentioned by all sorts of people, including my physics lecturer at college and most likely online in places too. The fifty percent bi figures also came from the Aussie video, though you have to read them in context which is at "any" time during their lives, so that includes experimentation, threesomes, etc. Now unless the Aussies are a more liberated bunch of folk... no, that just doesn't bear thinking about! The insecurities bit is based on the strong signals people give out when questioned after they jump on the "tee hee he said gay, he's a pervert" bandwaggon. A lot of people I've met (two things: firstly yes these things do really pop up from time to time, and secondly there are very few religious people locally which I believe is relavent to the accuracy of this information) fall into that category almost on instinct but cannot back it up when probed (deliberate pun, get it? ;)). The latter is nothing special and it is likely you (the reader) will fall into it, the former though is certainly not exagerated. Just take gay clubbing night (locally that is Tuesday) - the clubs are packed more than every other day of the week by a fair number. Ooh, I can feel the witty responses before I even hit submit... Later guys! :zzz:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
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I'll answer both you and Domenic in one go 'cause I'm off to bed now: At School. I didn't go to a religious school so they taught things such as sexuality without attaching morality to them. The one in ten figure came from, strangely enough, an Austrailian video we were forced to watch during a biology lesson and the ensuing week or so of followup work, but I have heard it mentioned by all sorts of people, including my physics lecturer at college and most likely online in places too. The fifty percent bi figures also came from the Aussie video, though you have to read them in context which is at "any" time during their lives, so that includes experimentation, threesomes, etc. Now unless the Aussies are a more liberated bunch of folk... no, that just doesn't bear thinking about! The insecurities bit is based on the strong signals people give out when questioned after they jump on the "tee hee he said gay, he's a pervert" bandwaggon. A lot of people I've met (two things: firstly yes these things do really pop up from time to time, and secondly there are very few religious people locally which I believe is relavent to the accuracy of this information) fall into that category almost on instinct but cannot back it up when probed (deliberate pun, get it? ;)). The latter is nothing special and it is likely you (the reader) will fall into it, the former though is certainly not exagerated. Just take gay clubbing night (locally that is Tuesday) - the clubs are packed more than every other day of the week by a fair number. Ooh, I can feel the witty responses before I even hit submit... Later guys! :zzz:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
David Wulff wrote: Ooh, I can feel the witty responses before I even hit submit... Sorry, i'm starting a campaign against witty, poignant, on-topic responses: CPians, Please, before responding to this, think - is it an honest reflection of your opinion toward Mr. Wulff's observations? Is it an off-topic rant with only the most tenuous relation to anything previously posted to this thread? Or is it just some obvious jibe, a topical observation correlating something Mr. Wulff said with a well-known social figure or event. Friends, i urge you, do not allow yourselves to fall into this trap...! :|
Shog9 ------
So they took me down to the gallows And this boy, he said to me: "Why do you smile, when the rope's around your neck?" I said, "I tell you boy, when i get back..."
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I'll answer both you and Domenic in one go 'cause I'm off to bed now: At School. I didn't go to a religious school so they taught things such as sexuality without attaching morality to them. The one in ten figure came from, strangely enough, an Austrailian video we were forced to watch during a biology lesson and the ensuing week or so of followup work, but I have heard it mentioned by all sorts of people, including my physics lecturer at college and most likely online in places too. The fifty percent bi figures also came from the Aussie video, though you have to read them in context which is at "any" time during their lives, so that includes experimentation, threesomes, etc. Now unless the Aussies are a more liberated bunch of folk... no, that just doesn't bear thinking about! The insecurities bit is based on the strong signals people give out when questioned after they jump on the "tee hee he said gay, he's a pervert" bandwaggon. A lot of people I've met (two things: firstly yes these things do really pop up from time to time, and secondly there are very few religious people locally which I believe is relavent to the accuracy of this information) fall into that category almost on instinct but cannot back it up when probed (deliberate pun, get it? ;)). The latter is nothing special and it is likely you (the reader) will fall into it, the former though is certainly not exagerated. Just take gay clubbing night (locally that is Tuesday) - the clubs are packed more than every other day of the week by a fair number. Ooh, I can feel the witty responses before I even hit submit... Later guys! :zzz:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
David Wulff wrote: At School. I didn't go to a religious school so they taught things such as sexuality without attaching morality to them. I had a lot of sex education at school and I only spent two years at a religious school ( they kicked me out for, amongst other things, bringing tarot cards to school. ). David Wulff wrote: The one in ten figure came from, strangely enough, an Austrailian video we were forced to watch during a biology lesson and the ensuing week or so of followup work, but I have heard it mentioned by all sorts of people, including my physics lecturer at college and most likely online in places too. The fifty percent bi figures also came from the Aussie video, though you have to read them in context which is at "any" time during their lives, so that includes experimentation, threesomes, etc. Some activists here claim that 50% of people are gay and most supress it. They also blame nearly ALL teen suicide to teens struggling with being gay. Which is my point. These figures are usually invented by someone with an agenda. David Wulff wrote: insecurities bit is based on the strong signals people give out when questioned after they jump on the "tee hee he said gay, he's a pervert" bandwaggon A good friend of mine, actually my best friend for many years, was extremely homophobic, and one night he made me an offer which let's just say did not gel with his prior comments on the subject. ( I declined ). He later admitted that his homophobia was a response to his latent homosexuality ( those were his exact words on the phone to me the next day ). No, that did not end our friendship, it was suspended when he had sex with my wife, but we still talk today. David Wulff wrote: Just take gay clubbing night (locally that is Tuesday) - the clubs are packed more than every other day of the week by a fair number. I have no idea what this has to do with anything. I've read (non religious ) sites and also medical books which suggest homosexuality is caused by either too much or too little testosterone to the foetus, which seems likely enough to me. As such, the number of people who are homosexual seems likely to be linked to things which can alter, and therefore I would be very suspicious of any percentages offered, and the agenda of the people presenting them. As I say, this is because of the bizarre statements made by the gay lobby locally. I could care less w
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David Wulff wrote: At School. I didn't go to a religious school so they taught things such as sexuality without attaching morality to them. I had a lot of sex education at school and I only spent two years at a religious school ( they kicked me out for, amongst other things, bringing tarot cards to school. ). David Wulff wrote: The one in ten figure came from, strangely enough, an Austrailian video we were forced to watch during a biology lesson and the ensuing week or so of followup work, but I have heard it mentioned by all sorts of people, including my physics lecturer at college and most likely online in places too. The fifty percent bi figures also came from the Aussie video, though you have to read them in context which is at "any" time during their lives, so that includes experimentation, threesomes, etc. Some activists here claim that 50% of people are gay and most supress it. They also blame nearly ALL teen suicide to teens struggling with being gay. Which is my point. These figures are usually invented by someone with an agenda. David Wulff wrote: insecurities bit is based on the strong signals people give out when questioned after they jump on the "tee hee he said gay, he's a pervert" bandwaggon A good friend of mine, actually my best friend for many years, was extremely homophobic, and one night he made me an offer which let's just say did not gel with his prior comments on the subject. ( I declined ). He later admitted that his homophobia was a response to his latent homosexuality ( those were his exact words on the phone to me the next day ). No, that did not end our friendship, it was suspended when he had sex with my wife, but we still talk today. David Wulff wrote: Just take gay clubbing night (locally that is Tuesday) - the clubs are packed more than every other day of the week by a fair number. I have no idea what this has to do with anything. I've read (non religious ) sites and also medical books which suggest homosexuality is caused by either too much or too little testosterone to the foetus, which seems likely enough to me. As such, the number of people who are homosexual seems likely to be linked to things which can alter, and therefore I would be very suspicious of any percentages offered, and the agenda of the people presenting them. As I say, this is because of the bizarre statements made by the gay lobby locally. I could care less w
Christian Graus wrote: bringing tarot cards to school. Just out of curiosity, did you have any talent for them? "Another day done; all targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly." - Jennie Agard, McGuckin Hardware Systems Manager
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Christian Graus wrote: bringing tarot cards to school. Just out of curiosity, did you have any talent for them? "Another day done; all targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly." - Jennie Agard, McGuckin Hardware Systems Manager
I basically thought it was a laugh, I would look at the pictures and concoct some story based on what the cards people chose looked like. I think it's all a crock, but I have no idea how you're supposed to 'use' them. I had bought them at a yard sale. I couldn't understand what all the fuss was about, really. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
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I basically thought it was a laugh, I would look at the pictures and concoct some story based on what the cards people chose looked like. I think it's all a crock, but I have no idea how you're supposed to 'use' them. I had bought them at a yard sale. I couldn't understand what all the fuss was about, really. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
Christian Graus wrote: I couldn't understand what all the fuss was about, really. Me either...:) I played with them for a while, and I've known some people who have a real knack for them. For divination purposes, though, I've had far better results from simple meditation and prayer... "Another day done; all targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly." - Jennie Agard, McGuckin Hardware Systems Manager
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David Wulff wrote: Ooh, I can feel the witty responses before I even hit submit... Sorry, i'm starting a campaign against witty, poignant, on-topic responses: CPians, Please, before responding to this, think - is it an honest reflection of your opinion toward Mr. Wulff's observations? Is it an off-topic rant with only the most tenuous relation to anything previously posted to this thread? Or is it just some obvious jibe, a topical observation correlating something Mr. Wulff said with a well-known social figure or event. Friends, i urge you, do not allow yourselves to fall into this trap...! :|
Shog9 ------
So they took me down to the gallows And this boy, he said to me: "Why do you smile, when the rope's around your neck?" I said, "I tell you boy, when i get back..."
:omg:
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
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David Wulff wrote: At School. I didn't go to a religious school so they taught things such as sexuality without attaching morality to them. I had a lot of sex education at school and I only spent two years at a religious school ( they kicked me out for, amongst other things, bringing tarot cards to school. ). David Wulff wrote: The one in ten figure came from, strangely enough, an Austrailian video we were forced to watch during a biology lesson and the ensuing week or so of followup work, but I have heard it mentioned by all sorts of people, including my physics lecturer at college and most likely online in places too. The fifty percent bi figures also came from the Aussie video, though you have to read them in context which is at "any" time during their lives, so that includes experimentation, threesomes, etc. Some activists here claim that 50% of people are gay and most supress it. They also blame nearly ALL teen suicide to teens struggling with being gay. Which is my point. These figures are usually invented by someone with an agenda. David Wulff wrote: insecurities bit is based on the strong signals people give out when questioned after they jump on the "tee hee he said gay, he's a pervert" bandwaggon A good friend of mine, actually my best friend for many years, was extremely homophobic, and one night he made me an offer which let's just say did not gel with his prior comments on the subject. ( I declined ). He later admitted that his homophobia was a response to his latent homosexuality ( those were his exact words on the phone to me the next day ). No, that did not end our friendship, it was suspended when he had sex with my wife, but we still talk today. David Wulff wrote: Just take gay clubbing night (locally that is Tuesday) - the clubs are packed more than every other day of the week by a fair number. I have no idea what this has to do with anything. I've read (non religious ) sites and also medical books which suggest homosexuality is caused by either too much or too little testosterone to the foetus, which seems likely enough to me. As such, the number of people who are homosexual seems likely to be linked to things which can alter, and therefore I would be very suspicious of any percentages offered, and the agenda of the people presenting them. As I say, this is because of the bizarre statements made by the gay lobby locally. I could care less w
Off topic, but... Christian Graus wrote: they kicked me out for, amongst other things, bringing tarot cards to school. I once made these little magic folding wallets (the ones where you put the note in one side, then open the other side and it has flipped over) out of cereal box card and was selling them for ten pence during break and lunch times when I was about nine years old. I was good at it to, making about a pound before one of my punter's parents complained to the head and I was made to repay all my ten pences and given a stern telling off about abusing other kids for money like that. I was really devasted at the time - I used to spend hours making those damned little wallets as best as I could - they were worth ten times what I charged for them. :(( :mad: Anyway, I'll try to keep the rest somewhat on topic... :) Christian Graus wrote: Some activists here claim that 50% of people are gay and most supress it. They also blame nearly ALL teen suicide to teens struggling with being gay. Which is my point. These figures are usually invented by someone with an agenda. I could say that about basically anything that presents itself as some form of mental struggle during ones life, no matter how trivial. Homosexuality insofar as what I see the one-hand extreme (active) and the other extreme (total surpression) is just a part of the dreaded male bonding. It is very easy to swing from one end of the scale to the other in any given situation, what actually defines you is how you handle that. Actually taking it on board is something that requires you to submit to it on a conscious level, whatever you decide is best for you, and that submission is what can drive people to suicide - whether it is in regards to sexuality, family, income, exams, or whatever. Left to it's own devices our ability for free thought is the single most dangerous attribute we have. With regards to your teen reference, that is worth talking further on. During your late teens (and I can only speak for the male side of the equation here, though I see no reason to doubt it is mirrored equally for the other sex) we go through a fairly extensive role model phase and one of the side effects of that is that we become very aware of interpersonal issues between people on a level never before experienced since we hit puberty. During this time it is by far "The Norm™" to go through a couple of uneasy periods of self discovery where you may honestly believe you hold h
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David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
...Comedy Central has been running a new show recently, "Trigger Happy TV". Given the funny accents, i'm suspicious that it's a UK production - if so, hats off to you guys, it's quality television all the way.
Shog9 ------
So they took me down to the gallows And this boy, he said to me: "Why do you smile, when the rope's around your neck?" I said, "I tell you boy, when i get back..."
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...Comedy Central has been running a new show recently, "Trigger Happy TV". Given the funny accents, i'm suspicious that it's a UK production - if so, hats off to you guys, it's quality television all the way.
Shog9 ------
So they took me down to the gallows And this boy, he said to me: "Why do you smile, when the rope's around your neck?" I said, "I tell you boy, when i get back..."
LOL - yes, that's one of ours. :)
David Wulff http://www.davidwulff.co.uk
An orgy in Tiverton... ({) `/\^^/\:p (Z) :$/\^^/\` (})
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David Wulff wrote: Take a look around you - at least one person in every ten - either sex - is homosexual (openly or closet), and out of the rest just under half will play both sides during their lives to some extent and all but a few remaining individuals will die with insecurities. I'm interested to know where you get these figures from ? Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002
The one-in-ten figure that is often quoted came from Alfred Kinsey's study of U.S. sexual behaviour, conducted in the 1940s and 50s. See http://www.indiana.edu/~kinsey/research/ak-data.html#homosexuality[^]. Kinsey's methodology has come under attack in recent years and many believe that the actual fraction of the population that is exclusively homosexual is far smaller. See, for instance, http://www.fumento.com/gaystat.html[^]. Why couldn't Science, in the long run, serve As well as one's uncleared lunch-table or Mme X en Culottes de Matador? James Merrill