CodeProject is Dead
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John is a crucial part of our quality control process! Without his subtle hints to those who stray from the one true path, this site might quickly degenerate into one of those sophomoric, vapid group blogs that we all despise. "Another day done; all targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly." - Jennie Agard, McGuckin Hardware Systems Manager
Roger Wright wrote: those who stray from the one true path I like that... It has a definite ring to it. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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John is a crucial part of our quality control process! Without his subtle hints to those who stray from the one true path, this site might quickly degenerate into one of those sophomoric, vapid group blogs that we all despise. "Another day done; all targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly." - Jennie Agard, McGuckin Hardware Systems Manager
Roger Wright wrote: subtle hints to those who stray from the one true path :confused: He's a Buddhist teacher, then. Guiding us each to our nirvana. BW "I've been accused of vulgarity. I say that's bullshit." - Mel Brooks.
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It's finally happened. CodeProject has become a victim of its own usefulness and popularity. We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. What's the point any more? Chris can't possibly hope to curtail the rampant misuse of the self-submitted article system, and moderating the lounge is opens up a legal can of worms where liability is concerned (on Chris' part). Welcome to perdition. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Welcome to perdition You need either a big party with some friends either a nice week end alone in a forest. :) IMHO CP is old enough to survive this kind of temporary troubles, too many are addicted.
Who gives a f*ck If my life sucks ? I just know one day I won't give up Beg For Me/KoЯn
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: CodeProject has become a victim of its own usefulness and popularity. We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. You think so? Seems a tad dramatic. I'm comparitively new here, but I'd say 70% of threads have some level of interest in them, which is pretty high for anywhere on the internet. The rest I just skip as soon as I see what they're about. Or maybe I'm just a moronic troll who finds interest in purile things. The more people that come in, the more there are to help people out when they run into problems and the more there are to write articles (which is what brings more people in than anything else). The only "problem" that needs resolving is the dubious and/or useless articles that get posted, diminishing the value of a strongly written article that someone has clearly spent time on. This is a tricky problem to resolve though, for greater minds than mine. Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
Paul Riley wrote: I'm just a moronic troll who finds interest in purile things That's the sentence I was searching for, Thx ! :laugh:;):laugh: (Souviens toi du Vase de Soissons ![^] ;P )
so here I am growing older all the time looking older all the time feeling younger in my mind Superman/Goldfinger
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Paul Riley wrote: I'm just a moronic troll who finds interest in purile things That's the sentence I was searching for, Thx ! :laugh:;):laugh: (Souviens toi du Vase de Soissons ![^] ;P )
so here I am growing older all the time looking older all the time feeling younger in my mind Superman/Goldfinger
KaЯl wrote: That's the sentence I was searching for, Thx ! Karl, you know I'm always happy to help a Frenchman with his English insults, especially when they're aimed at me :-D Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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Colin Davies wrote: I know this isn't the suggestions forum, but maybe allow silver and above to rank the posts. The ranking only appears on there ASP page. 3 choices. Inappropriate, OK, On-Topic. Ah, that put me on to something. How about editors/site-builders/sysadmins are allowed to edit the posts and move them around and delete them. That would make sense considering these few people are among the trusted...and at least one of them is almost always on. Besides, getting more editors would be helpful in that respect and in taking care of the article backlog. We could even do it in conjunction with Gold members and above voting on the stuff. That way an editor can look at how many people have voted what for a post and can see if he should remove or edit it. What do you think?
You will now find yourself in a wonderous, magical place, filled with talking gnomes, mythical squirrels, and, almost as an afterthought, your bookmarks -Shog9 teaching Mel Feik how to bookmark
Do we have an editor (or more) for each area?
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KaЯl wrote: That's the sentence I was searching for, Thx ! Karl, you know I'm always happy to help a Frenchman with his English insults, especially when they're aimed at me :-D Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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For my edification, what's the real problem here? - Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? - Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? - what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? - Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? - Are to many people people submitting articles with the intention of selling their wares? Not being critical here, just trying to get a better understanding and narrow down the problem area (90% of the solution is understanding the problem).
FWIW, and I say this perfectly aware that it wasn't me you were asking ;P ez2 wrote: Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? No. Just take a look through some of the articles coming in. Remember that a lot of new people that come into this site find it by searching for a solution to a problem (in my case, it was how to upload a file to a database using ASP.NET) and thinking "well, how much more useful stuff can I find here?". If instead they find five answers to one question and they're all crap (10-lines of text and an attached example), they won't look around and Chris doesn't get his advertising money. I submitted my first article yesterday and I'm honestly surprised at the positive response I've had from it. I wouldn't have been offended if it had been sent back with suggestions for improvement and if it had been a subject already covered (although I had searched) then I would have expected it to be refused. There's a tricky line between being open and being flooded by dross. If you're not open enough then it stinks of elitism and people stop submitting. If you're too open then too many people post dross and the authors who spend days and weeks over their articles don't see any personal satisfaction in being published. Think about it, it's not a simple predicament. ez2 wrote: Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? No, it's getting too many answers to programming questions. If people would let David Stone, Forum Police flame them gently they'd move to the right area but if people keep answering then people will keep posting them here in the lounge for the highest viewing figures. ez2 wrote: what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? That they appear on the new articles list and people can't help looking only to find that they're not very good. And a certain set of pictures that got posted (and VERY quickly removed) recently kinda brought it to a head. ez2 wrote: Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? Again, I think most are pretty good. Conversations here are a much higher level than anywhere I have previously spent time on the internet. In a world of so many highly controversial subjects as we have there's very little name-calling, etc, here. People have a point, they state it, no grudges s
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With a teacher like you it's a pleasure to learn :-D
Ashes to ashes And clay to clay If the enemy doesn't get you Your own folk may
KaЯl wrote: With a teacher like you it's a pleasure to learn Hey, hey, get back to the insults, I feel much more comfortable with those :laugh: Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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Ditto. www.codetools.com died over the weekend for my DNS servers. I guess Chris just let that domain finally run out. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Tim Smith wrote: I guess Chris just let that domain finally run out. Looks like that. (hmmm, do I need a new domain ;-) ) - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Ditto. www.codetools.com died over the weekend for my DNS servers. I guess Chris just let that domain finally run out. Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Hmmmm, this is kinda strange... The root DNS Servers don't answar for codetools.com, but look at this: It don't expire before 20-Oct-2005 Registrant: Dundas Software Ltd. (CODETOOLS2-DOM) 500-4800 Dundas Street West On, M9A 1B1 CA Domain Name: CODETOOLS.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Cunningham, David (DC242) davec@DUNDAS.COM Dundas Software Ltd. 500 - 250 Ferrnad Dr Toronto, ON M3C 3G8 CA 416-467-5100 (FAX) 416-422-4801 Record expires on 20-Oct-2005. Record created on 20-Oct-1999. Database last updated on 28-Oct-2002 17:20:08 EST. Domain servers in listed order: NS.DUNDAS.COM 207.219.70.5 NS2.DUNDAS.COM 207.219.70.15 - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"
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Chris Maunder wrote: That's a pessimistic way of looking at it. Ya know, this weekend I was contemplating the fact that I've been mad for a very long time, and at a lot of things (and not just existing things, but new things too). The part that kind of worries me is that I see no reason not to continue being mad. Chris Maunder wrote: by doing things like only allowing silver (or above) members from posting I don't think there's a good way to fix it, Chris. I guess I just grew tired of the idiot that keeps asking someoneone to help with his 500-word paper. Troll? Maybe. Annoying? Most certainly. How about this: Allow us to filter on a member ID (kinda like a kill file). ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: The part that kind of worries me is that I see no reason not to continue being mad. We need to start a "CP Users Anonymous" forum for troubled users like JS/OP here. I'm sure we could come up with a 12 step program that would be PC enough to make everyone happy. :laugh:
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KaЯl wrote: With a teacher like you it's a pleasure to learn Hey, hey, get back to the insults, I feel much more comfortable with those :laugh: Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
Did I found a weak point ? (hard to exploit, I agree) :-D
Yes I know my enemies They're the teachers who taught me to fight me Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite All of which are American dreams Know Your Enemy/Rage Against the Machine
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For my edification, what's the real problem here? - Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? - Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? - what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? - Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? - Are to many people people submitting articles with the intention of selling their wares? Not being critical here, just trying to get a better understanding and narrow down the problem area (90% of the solution is understanding the problem).
I'm just generally in a bad mood all the time, and it really doesn't take much to push me over the edge. The problems: 1) Crap articles from people who apparently just want to earn their gold rating, or who thinkthat a single paragraph is enough. 2) People that post crap messages in the lounge. If you want a guarantee that I'll trip offline and go directly in asshole mode, ask for advice about your love life (or lack thereof). I would rather ask a 1-percenter for advice like that than ask the same question here. 3) People that ask us to do their homework. 4) Bill Sergio. 90% of the solution is a bullet in the heads of the offenders. Then, maybe, they'll understand that they were the problem. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: Welcome to perdition You need either a big party with some friends either a nice week end alone in a forest. :) IMHO CP is old enough to survive this kind of temporary troubles, too many are addicted.
Who gives a f*ck If my life sucks ? I just know one day I won't give up Beg For Me/KoЯn
Believe me when I say that a weekend would not be NEARLY long enough. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Chris Maunder wrote: We're a long way from dead Indeed! Newbies tend to abuse the Forum while they're getting used to the tone of the place, and we've had a large influx of them recently. Once they learn the proper habits things will get back to normal. "Another day done; all targets met; all systems fully operational; all customers satisfied; all staff keen and well motivated; all pigs fed and ready to fly." - Jennie Agard, McGuckin Hardware Systems Manager
Roger Wright wrote: Indeed! Newbies tend to abuse the Forum while they're getting used to the tone of the place, and we've had a large influx of them recently. Once they learn the proper habits things will get back to normal. Thats exatly whats going on... Codeproject.com is a very unique online experience...it's the place I attend on a regular basis and like most hardcore web site surfers I visit about 50-60 sites a day(mostly unique)... Codeproject is an actual online community not just a repository for articles and code dumps. I know many other places have attempted to acheive this, but they have failed (IMO) when compared to CP... Long live CP Cheers! "An expert is someone who has made all the mistakes in his or her field" - Niels Bohr
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Believe me when I say that a weekend would not be NEARLY long enough. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
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Did I found a weak point ? (hard to exploit, I agree) :-D
Yes I know my enemies They're the teachers who taught me to fight me Compromise, conformity, assimilation, submission Ignorance, hypocrisy, brutality, the elite All of which are American dreams Know Your Enemy/Rage Against the Machine
A weak point? Yeah. Insult the hell out of me and it just rolls off my back; say something nice and I turn into an Outlaw Programmer ;P Paul I think there're pieces of me you've never seen - Tori Amos, Tear in Your Hand
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It's finally happened. CodeProject has become a victim of its own usefulness and popularity. We've been overrun by hordes of purile and moronic trolls. What's the point any more? Chris can't possibly hope to curtail the rampant misuse of the self-submitted article system, and moderating the lounge is opens up a legal can of worms where liability is concerned (on Chris' part). Welcome to perdition. ------- signature starts "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio. ------- signature ends
John, it's spelled puerile.
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For my edification, what's the real problem here? - Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? - Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? - what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? - Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? - Are to many people people submitting articles with the intention of selling their wares? Not being critical here, just trying to get a better understanding and narrow down the problem area (90% of the solution is understanding the problem).
ez2 wrote: Are the forum questions not appropriate for your level (i.e. you being advanced and many of the people using this site are not? No, that's never a problem, although it's annoying the people often don't do any looking themselves, so many questions are MSDN101. But I have no problem with answering any questions, I was a beginner too, once. ez2 wrote: Is it that articles are being posted that you don't want to see? No, that's always been the case, I just don't look at those ones. ez2 wrote: Is the lounge getting to many programming questions? Sometimes. ez2 wrote: what is specifically wrong with the self- submitted articles? some of them are plain crap, others just rehash stuff already covered here. The weight of bad articles makes good ones harder to search for. Christian No offense, but I don't really want to encourage the creation of another VB developer. - Larry Antram 22 Oct 2002 Hey, at least Logo had, at it's inception, a mechanical turtle. VB has always lacked even that... - Shog9 04-09-2002 During last 10 years, with invention of VB and similar programming environments, every ill-educated moron became able to develop software. - Alex E. - 12-Sept-2002