VS 2010 - what are the shiny parts?
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesChristopher Duncan wrote:
What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
Well, I can tell you why we're upgrading later this week: One thing I'm looking forward to, from an IDE and tooling perspective, is preventing bugs with Pex and tracking down bugs with IntelliTrace (aka Historical Debugging).
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
Sure. Multi-monitor support, for example. This means you can have, for example, code file Foo.cs opened in one monitor, with Bar.cs opened on the other monitor. Another thing I like is Navigate To feature. In VS 2008, if I wanted to find a class or function or code file, I'd hit CTRL+F, search for a few seconds, then find the proper match in the search results. In 2010, I can hit CTRL+, and a "find as you type" tool window will find classes, functions, fields, etc, letting you navigate directly from there. It also works with PascalCasing, so typing in "SED" will find members with ShowEmailDialog in the name.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
:)
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Judah Himango -
I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting Servicestryout the express edition[^] or the trial VS2010 Ultimate edition[^] all for free. and see for yourself.
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesFor me…C++ 0x support (lambdas, baby, lambdas!) and F# (but not supported in an Express version, damnit). Aside from that? Meh - I'll stick to Qt Creator (PC) or XCode (Mac).
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p CodeProject MVP for 2010 - who'd'a thunk it!
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
Well, I can tell you why we're upgrading later this week: One thing I'm looking forward to, from an IDE and tooling perspective, is preventing bugs with Pex and tracking down bugs with IntelliTrace (aka Historical Debugging).
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
Sure. Multi-monitor support, for example. This means you can have, for example, code file Foo.cs opened in one monitor, with Bar.cs opened on the other monitor. Another thing I like is Navigate To feature. In VS 2008, if I wanted to find a class or function or code file, I'd hit CTRL+F, search for a few seconds, then find the proper match in the search results. In 2010, I can hit CTRL+, and a "find as you type" tool window will find classes, functions, fields, etc, letting you navigate directly from there. It also works with PascalCasing, so typing in "SED" will find members with ShowEmailDialog in the name.
Christopher Duncan wrote:
Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
:)
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
Judah HimangoJudah Himango wrote:
In 2010, I can hit CTRL+, and a "find as you type" tool window will find classes, functions, fields, etc, letting you navigate directly from there. It also works with PascalCasing, so typing in "SED" will find members with ShowEmailDialog in the name.
This appears to have been copied from the refactoring tool vendors (e.g., CodeRush) but it's a good feature nevertheless. :)
Kevin
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
I'm sure it'll be all the great C++ enhancements. :rolleyes:
Jeremy Falcon
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Judah Himango wrote:
In 2010, I can hit CTRL+, and a "find as you type" tool window will find classes, functions, fields, etc, letting you navigate directly from there. It also works with PascalCasing, so typing in "SED" will find members with ShowEmailDialog in the name.
This appears to have been copied from the refactoring tool vendors (e.g., CodeRush) but it's a good feature nevertheless. :)
Kevin
Yeah, like I mentioned, 3rd party commercial tools like Resharper has long had a "find member" kind of feature. Of course, Resharper and CodeRush add considerable overhead to the already-bloated IDE. Nice to just have it baked-in, ya know? :-)
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Judah Himango -
I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesI find it a little ironic (and possibly amusing) that the first component on it's list to download/install is the "Microsoft Application Error Reporting" component, whatever that is. :)
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
what are the shiny parts?"
I suppose the surfaces of the disc, maybe the packaging.
surfaces of the disc just the underside of the disc(s) ;) (there are also really tiny holes)
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For me…C++ 0x support (lambdas, baby, lambdas!) and F# (but not supported in an Express version, damnit). Aside from that? Meh - I'll stick to Qt Creator (PC) or XCode (Mac).
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p CodeProject MVP for 2010 - who'd'a thunk it!
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If .NET doesn't bother you too much, I'd say look at Haskell instead - it's a lot cooler, IMO...
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p CodeProject MVP for 2010 - who'd'a thunk it!
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Eh, I played around with F# last year (It's been around for a while - Just not officially part of Visual Studio until now)... Wasn't impressed. But then, I'm not a big fan of functional languages... I tend to think in terms of state machines.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting Services -
I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesChristopher Duncan wrote:
What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
It'll force your boss to buy you that 64-core Xeon with the 16-SSD RAID if he wants your "Hello World!" program to compile before the heat death of the universe.
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Christopher Duncan wrote:
What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
It'll force your boss to buy you that 64-core Xeon with the 16-SSD RAID if he wants your "Hello World!" program to compile before the heat death of the universe.
quite right.. my amd 2600 is really taking a beating now..and wpf? forget about it.. ;o)
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesFor C++, there are several new and improved things that are nice. There are enough bugs and small annoyances still present that I'll be waiting until SP1. For C#, I honestly couldn't find anything compelling. Granted I didn't look deep since I mainly use C# for some utilities, to write wrapper APIs and some test code. ASP.NET programmers may find more. It's still too blasted expensive and there's a huge gap between the express edition and the pro edition. (I have VS 2008 Standard at home and VS 2008 Pro at work and I can't tell the difference. I know the difference, but haven't had to do anything that Standard couldn't handle.)
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesAside from the additions to C#, like optional parameters and a few others, I think the intellitrace debugging is interesting. Also the integration with testing I can see being useful.
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
Copywriting ServicesThe WPF and Silverlight designers are much better - but I rather like typing xaml so I am not sure how much use I will get from them.
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Yeah, like I mentioned, 3rd party commercial tools like Resharper has long had a "find member" kind of feature. Of course, Resharper and CodeRush add considerable overhead to the already-bloated IDE. Nice to just have it baked-in, ya know? :-)
Religiously blogging on the intarwebs since the early 21st century: Kineti L'Tziyon
Judah HimangoJudah Himango wrote:
Nice to just have it baked-in, ya know?
And you think, based on history, that the MS implementation is less bulky than the ones in Visual Assist (my choice!), ReSharper and CodeRush? ;)
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Judah Himango wrote:
In 2010, I can hit CTRL+, and a "find as you type" tool window will find classes, functions, fields, etc, letting you navigate directly from there. It also works with PascalCasing, so typing in "SED" will find members with ShowEmailDialog in the name.
This appears to have been copied from the refactoring tool vendors (e.g., CodeRush) but it's a good feature nevertheless. :)
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
This appears to have been copied
Well it is an MS product.
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I like stuff that's new and shiny just like any other geek (after all, I just upgraded to Windows 7 which is nothing but shiny). However, I've also spent a lot of money on MS upgrades over the years that really brought little new to the party. And so, I ask the more experienced among you:
- What makes purchasing VS 2010 worthwhile?
- Can I do things with it that I can't do in VS 2008?
- Does it come in a hyper intelligent shade of the color blue?
Christopher Duncan
www.PracticalUSA.com
Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes
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