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Christian Graus wrote:
After we destroy as much of the earth as we can to find it all.
I don't think the earth minds us digging in the dirt.
Christian Graus wrote:
Assuming a limitless supply of money to lend, don't you see that it would make no difference if there was regulation to stop money being lent to people who could not pay it back for short term gain ?
That wouldn't be a problem if they had to use their own money for loans. The fed create the incentives to be reckless, the fed enabled them to profit off of bad loans because the fed gave them all the money adn they knew that they would get bailed out when the bubble burst.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't think the earth minds us digging in the dirt.
That's because you're stupid and think the earth has unlimited trees, farmland, etc.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The fed create the incentives to be reckless, the fed enabled them to profit off of bad loans because the fed gave them all the money adn they knew that they would get bailed out when the bubble burst.
And instead of allowing that, the government should regulate to stop them. Can't you see that your mantra of 'free trade and small government' and your ranting about the Fed are diametrically opposed ?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
I don't think the earth minds us digging in the dirt.
That's because you're stupid and think the earth has unlimited trees, farmland, etc.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
The fed create the incentives to be reckless, the fed enabled them to profit off of bad loans because the fed gave them all the money adn they knew that they would get bailed out when the bubble burst.
And instead of allowing that, the government should regulate to stop them. Can't you see that your mantra of 'free trade and small government' and your ranting about the Fed are diametrically opposed ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
the government should regulate to stop them.
Now you are getting it, End the Fed.
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Christian Graus wrote:
the government should regulate to stop them.
Now you are getting it, End the Fed.
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My sole point is that some sort of regulation is needed. And that this, and your desire to attack and regulate the supply of money are at odds with your desire to limit the power of government as much as possible.
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We have had two other central banks come in and out of existence before the federal reserve. However when our market was more free, we produced more and had a higher standard of living. It has never been truly free, as you said even when America was born, we had tariffs and a variety of other senseless controls.
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Tariffs are designed to protect industry. Australia has slid further and further into debt since we did away with them.
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My sole point is that some sort of regulation is needed. And that this, and your desire to attack and regulate the supply of money are at odds with your desire to limit the power of government as much as possible.
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As I said to Timmy Greag. When you have something like the federal reserve, you need endless amounts of government control over markets to try to keep things in check, but the problem is that those regulations create even more problems so they have to create more regulations, in the end you have a complete backwards system that only a few mega corporations can benfits from, and those mega corporations are in bed with the government and vise-versa.
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As I said to Timmy Greag. When you have something like the federal reserve, you need endless amounts of government control over markets to try to keep things in check, but the problem is that those regulations create even more problems so they have to create more regulations, in the end you have a complete backwards system that only a few mega corporations can benfits from, and those mega corporations are in bed with the government and vise-versa.
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But the issue here is deregulation. The problem is lack of control. You have it backwards.
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Milton Friedman PBS Free to Choose 1980 Vol 1 of 10 Power of the Market[^] Here is a good documentary by Milton Freidman, he explains why freemarkets are better than controlled markets, and halfway through a serious debate between him and several high level government officials and economist who disagree with him take place. It is a very good documentary, old but good. Very professional.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is a very good documentary, old but good. Very professional.
And yet proven totally wrong by the GFC. Everyone pursued free markets. That's why were in a mess now.
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I'm still reading this book. One thing I think he is right about - the GFC is proof that an economy that is left to it's own devices is a threat to the welfare of the nations that allow it. I don't see how anyone could be so ignorant as to think that the markets can control themselves, I thought that before the proof was right in our faces.
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The thought that markets can control themselves is an example of anarchy. In itself a wonderful idea, but depends entirely on members of that system being responsible. This is of course not human nature to a large extent.
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But the issue here is deregulation. The problem is lack of control. You have it backwards.
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Lack of control over the fed, correct.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
It is a very good documentary, old but good. Very professional.
And yet proven totally wrong by the GFC. Everyone pursued free markets. That's why were in a mess now.
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The GFC was create by the federal reserve flooding the market with new money at incredibly low interest rates, that new money fueled the housing bubble..
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The GFC was create by the federal reserve flooding the market with new money at incredibly low interest rates, that new money fueled the housing bubble..
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Stupidity fueled the housing bubble. I really wished I could have snagged this magazine when I was inteviewing, but I didn't. Effectively it had 'Our last issue' across the top on a big red banner, talking about how awesome the housing market was. Now, I don't know about you, but I'm not taking shit for advice from someone who can't keep their magazine running. I did some checking later against other places from the same time period, they were all pointing to the 'oh crap, we caused a bubble' end of things at the same time. Over a year before most people seemed to figure it out. Except of course those who aimed to benefit in the short term rather than realizing they'd be screwed later.
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Stupidity fueled the housing bubble. I really wished I could have snagged this magazine when I was inteviewing, but I didn't. Effectively it had 'Our last issue' across the top on a big red banner, talking about how awesome the housing market was. Now, I don't know about you, but I'm not taking shit for advice from someone who can't keep their magazine running. I did some checking later against other places from the same time period, they were all pointing to the 'oh crap, we caused a bubble' end of things at the same time. Over a year before most people seemed to figure it out. Except of course those who aimed to benefit in the short term rather than realizing they'd be screwed later.
Distind wrote:
Stupidity fueled the housing bubble.
Which is why allowing the federal reserve to operate is a bad idea, it is too much power for one person to handle. A small mistake can be catastrophic.
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Distind wrote:
Stupidity fueled the housing bubble.
Which is why allowing the federal reserve to operate is a bad idea, it is too much power for one person to handle. A small mistake can be catastrophic.
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It wasn't one person being stupid, it was the stupid flockers who thought just because the interest rate was low they'd be able to pay a mortgage they didn't have a prayer to. The fed is there to ensure that banks to fail massively, or if they do that America isn't dragged down with them. It also serves a number of other uses that all involve ensuring people have access to their money, and banks can still lend money out. Keeping that whole capitalism thing rolling.
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It wasn't one person being stupid, it was the stupid flockers who thought just because the interest rate was low they'd be able to pay a mortgage they didn't have a prayer to. The fed is there to ensure that banks to fail massively, or if they do that America isn't dragged down with them. It also serves a number of other uses that all involve ensuring people have access to their money, and banks can still lend money out. Keeping that whole capitalism thing rolling.
The problem originated from the fed, the fed was the enabler.
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The problem originated from the fed, the fed was the enabler.
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That's like saying someone who has his pecker shredded by a pencil sharpener was enabled by it. Don't be an idiot, don't go sticking things where they don't belong, and don't assume you'll just find a way to get the money later because you can get such a deal now.
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That's like saying someone who has his pecker shredded by a pencil sharpener was enabled by it. Don't be an idiot, don't go sticking things where they don't belong, and don't assume you'll just find a way to get the money later because you can get such a deal now.
Distind wrote:
That's like saying someone who has his pecker shredded by a pencil sharpener was enabled by it. Don't be an idiot, don't go sticking things where they don't belong, and don't assume you'll just find a way to get the money later because you can get such a deal now.
Childish reply. Typical leftist tactics. Can't face the facts so you resort to insults.
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Loans to people who could not afford to pay them, which were made to earn high commissions, on the assumption the bubble would not burst, and that the repossessed house could also be sold at profit, fueled the bubble. That occured because of deregulation of banks. So, again, the market does not act in it's own interests, or in the interests of society, which is why regulation is needed. Where the money came from is irrelevant. If there was regulation to stop rogue lenders, and/or hold them accountable, there would not have been an issue.
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Christian Graus wrote:
That occured because of deregulation of banks.
That occurred because the government decided it would be more equitable to let people with low incomes and bad credit have access to owning home. They pushed higher risk loans into the banking community. The banks spread the loans out, selling them. This drove up the demand for houses, which drove up the prices, which made the sub-prime derivatives look less risky than they really were. This was not a case of rogue lenders, it was a case of rogue government control.
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Gonzoox wrote:
he doesn't understand a bit about economy
I know he doesn't, and you don't understand a bit about anything. You are a little jungle monkey that plays in its own feces.
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I know he's ignorantly repeating things he's read and does not understand. I just keep hoping the penny will drop.
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The GFC was create by the federal reserve flooding the market with new money at incredibly low interest rates, that new money fueled the housing bubble.
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can you back this argument up? or is the federal reserve the easiest thing to blame?