The teaparty in a teacup
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hammerstein05 wrote:
Have you read up on this part of history?
Yes. You?
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Did you read infowars ? I'm an Australian and I seem to know more than you do.
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OK, the wikipedia said the opposite, I thought, but perhaps I read it wrong. Either way, it said there was a Dutch connection.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
You just read it backwards, Christian. Most linguists look to Dutch sources, noting there was a great deal of interaction between the Dutch in New Netherland (New York) and the Yankees of New England. The Dutch first names "Jan" and "Kees" were and still are common. In many instances both names (Jan-Kees) are used as a single first name. The word "Yankee" is a variation that would refer to English settlers moving into previously Dutch areas.[5] So it's what the Dutch called the New Englanders when they moved into Dutch areas (New York City, for example, was originally a Dutch settlement called New Amsterdam)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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You just read it backwards, Christian. Most linguists look to Dutch sources, noting there was a great deal of interaction between the Dutch in New Netherland (New York) and the Yankees of New England. The Dutch first names "Jan" and "Kees" were and still are common. In many instances both names (Jan-Kees) are used as a single first name. The word "Yankee" is a variation that would refer to English settlers moving into previously Dutch areas.[5] So it's what the Dutch called the New Englanders when they moved into Dutch areas (New York City, for example, was originally a Dutch settlement called New Amsterdam)
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
You just read it backwards, Christian.
Fair enough. It's 6 am here....
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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hammerstein05 wrote:
Have you read up on this part of history?
Yes. You?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
Yes thanks, and as far as the books I've read (from American school texts and a US published history books) the French did a little more than help.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There are more than 5k people involved in the taeparty.
Of course there is. If 5k care enough to show up, there's probably 50k or so, counting those who couldn't make it, couldn't be bothered, etc. But, that's still a drop in the bucket. There's plenty of fringe groups with more people than that. There's definitely more gay people in the city than that, so gay rights, as a political issue, is more likely to have an impact than these people are.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
During the American Revolution the British gave us the name of Yankees because they thought of us as incredibly stupid
Some dictionary sites say the origin is unknown. Wikipedia says it has it's origin in a nickname for dutch people. You don't explain how 'yankee' means 'incredibily stupid', you just say it and expect that to make it true. Typical.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They thought of us a criminals, lowest of the low
They thought of you as an outpost that should pay more taxes. Their actions were more pig headedness than contempt.
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Christian Graus wrote:
You don't explain
when has he explained anything? he just comes expecting demanding us to view things his way (very socialist). He never explained in my thread why a regulated market is worse than an self regulating one, he never explained why in some of his threads he is against any control from the government and in other threads he says that big bad companies are trying to take over and that is not right, he never explained why a free health care is bad, that if you don't have the money, then you don't deserve the treatment, then he says having money is bad... so he contradicts himself every time. Socialism is bad, death to the communists and the government is taking our freedom, but he comes here and is expecting from us to believe whatever he says, so where is my freedom? if you don't think like him or support his ideas, you're a stupid monkey... whenever you challenge him and he can't find an answer from his beloved sites, he just walks away from the thread and stops posting there and creates a new one You ask him for trusted sources of information, and what he gives you? Infowars, you ask him to give out his point of view and what he does? repeats whatever is in one of those conspiracy sites... so CG, I don't want to be rude, but you better sit down while you wait for an explanation of him. He's just a big failure
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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hammerstein05 wrote:
Have you read up on this part of history?
Yes. You?
Watch the Fall of the Republic (High Quality 2:24:19)[^] Sons Of Liberty - Free Album[^] The True Soapbox is the Truthbox[^]
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There are more than 5k people involved in the taeparty.
Of course there is. If 5k care enough to show up, there's probably 50k or so, counting those who couldn't make it, couldn't be bothered, etc. But, that's still a drop in the bucket. There's plenty of fringe groups with more people than that. There's definitely more gay people in the city than that, so gay rights, as a political issue, is more likely to have an impact than these people are.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
During the American Revolution the British gave us the name of Yankees because they thought of us as incredibly stupid
Some dictionary sites say the origin is unknown. Wikipedia says it has it's origin in a nickname for dutch people. You don't explain how 'yankee' means 'incredibily stupid', you just say it and expect that to make it true. Typical.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They thought of us a criminals, lowest of the low
They thought of you as an outpost that should pay more taxes. Their actions were more pig headedness than contempt.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
They thought of you as an outpost that should pay more taxes. Their actions were more pig headedness than contempt.
An excellent read on this topic is a portion of 'The March of Folly', by Barbara Tuchman. I don't know if you've heard of her, but she was a Pulitzer-winning (twice, IIRC) historian. (Self-taught, much to the chagrin of the 'pros'.) Another outstanding read of hers is 'A Distant Mirror', an exploration of life in 14-century Europe, France in particular.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Christian Graus wrote:
They thought of you as an outpost that should pay more taxes. Their actions were more pig headedness than contempt.
An excellent read on this topic is a portion of 'The March of Folly', by Barbara Tuchman. I don't know if you've heard of her, but she was a Pulitzer-winning (twice, IIRC) historian. (Self-taught, much to the chagrin of the 'pros'.) Another outstanding read of hers is 'A Distant Mirror', an exploration of life in 14-century Europe, France in particular.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
Sounds interesting. I have a ton of books to read right now, but I may add her to my list for when I'm done.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Sounds interesting. I have a ton of books to read right now, but I may add her to my list for when I'm done.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
I have every book she ever published (at least everything I know of). They are all outstanding, every one. Really well researched, very scholarly work,but very readable. None of this historical fiction shit. IIRC, the Pulitzer winners were 'The Guns of August', about the events leading up to, and the first month of, WW1, and 'Stillwell and The American Experience in China', about Joe Stillwell ('Vinegar Joe') and the US-Chinese military alliance in WW2.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Christian Graus wrote:
You don't explain
when has he explained anything? he just comes expecting demanding us to view things his way (very socialist). He never explained in my thread why a regulated market is worse than an self regulating one, he never explained why in some of his threads he is against any control from the government and in other threads he says that big bad companies are trying to take over and that is not right, he never explained why a free health care is bad, that if you don't have the money, then you don't deserve the treatment, then he says having money is bad... so he contradicts himself every time. Socialism is bad, death to the communists and the government is taking our freedom, but he comes here and is expecting from us to believe whatever he says, so where is my freedom? if you don't think like him or support his ideas, you're a stupid monkey... whenever you challenge him and he can't find an answer from his beloved sites, he just walks away from the thread and stops posting there and creates a new one You ask him for trusted sources of information, and what he gives you? Infowars, you ask him to give out his point of view and what he does? repeats whatever is in one of those conspiracy sites... so CG, I don't want to be rude, but you better sit down while you wait for an explanation of him. He's just a big failure
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
I also note that he doesn't bother to reply to me a lot of the time, I guess he just knows he has no comeback.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I have every book she ever published (at least everything I know of). They are all outstanding, every one. Really well researched, very scholarly work,but very readable. None of this historical fiction shit. IIRC, the Pulitzer winners were 'The Guns of August', about the events leading up to, and the first month of, WW1, and 'Stillwell and The American Experience in China', about Joe Stillwell ('Vinegar Joe') and the US-Chinese military alliance in WW2.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
I just ordered 6 books from her on Amazon. I figured if I order now, I can use the cheaper shipping option, as I have time before I'll be ready to read them.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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I just ordered 6 books from her on Amazon. I figured if I order now, I can use the cheaper shipping option, as I have time before I'll be ready to read them.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Awesome! :laugh: I think you'll be impressed. Go for 'The March of Folly' first. It's a kick - it's a study of bad governance through the ages, from the Trojans and the Horse through the US and Vietnam.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
yeah, that one definitely caught my eye, and I think I will read it first.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Yes, it's true. He begged the French, they came, and they are the reason you won.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Helped by the French, or a bunch of convicts? Helped by the French, or a bunch of convicts? Well it's not that hard to decide. Convicts. But it's too late to change history and dump the Frogs. Luckily my family came over when we were pulling the Frogs out of the fire. :-\
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Does anyone even look at the numbers involved in the teaparty rallies? The news media makes such a big deal of these idiots that you might be led to believe that it had some significance. But consider. Yesterday was supposedly the biggest venue of their cross-country tour to date, supposedly the biggest rally they've planned except the last one in Washington. They have their busses carting their followers around, they have Sarah (Look! I can see Russia from Wasilla!) Palin, they have the news media hyping their story.... and how many people were there? Estimates are ... 5000. All that hype, and they get a total of 5000 on Boston Commons. I hate to break it to their faithful, but I could probably get 5000 on the Commons with a free concert by a no-name bluegrass band. I mean really. 5000 is all they can manage, after all that publicity. I'm kind of looking forward to November, in the hopes that the media may just realize this is a fringe group with no potential for real impact. Just maybe they will stop treating this 'movement' as if it was something more than a few loony tunes screaming their heads off.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
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Not as much as you may think, well educated and wealthy mean snot when it comes to being coherent about politics. I know, as I've had a few people come charging in on their moral high horse to defend tea baggers, only to watch them steadily make all of the mistakes they claim people just make up. My favorite which is appearing to be a running theme in the type of person who does such things is the belief that personal opinions can be properly presented as fact. Which has explained to me a great deal of the mindset of the typical tea bagger, if not the typical tea party supporter, odds are you can guess where I draw the differences there. But there's two other statistics that I find fairly telling, they're also older and more religious than average. Which means what? They're more conservative than average as well. These people are far from the voice of the average American many of them seem to think they are.
Distind wrote:
My favorite which is appearing to be a running theme in the type of person who does such things is the belief that personal opinions can be properly presented as fact
And I guess it is your opinion a fact that no one on the left ever did that?
Distind wrote:
Which means what? They're more conservative than average as well. These people are far from the voice of the average American many of them seem to think they are.
You only just figured out that they are more conservative than average? Are you more liberal than average, or are you just an average Joe who knows that the OTHER average Joes are all f'd up? Are you willing to draw the conclusion that anti-tea-partisans like yourself are more atheist than average, and younger than average? Because younger always means smarter, wiser and more intelligent? You know you are making the same mistakes the 'tea baggers' did when they were young hippies? :laugh: :laugh:
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Does anyone even look at the numbers involved in the teaparty rallies? The news media makes such a big deal of these idiots that you might be led to believe that it had some significance. But consider. Yesterday was supposedly the biggest venue of their cross-country tour to date, supposedly the biggest rally they've planned except the last one in Washington. They have their busses carting their followers around, they have Sarah (Look! I can see Russia from Wasilla!) Palin, they have the news media hyping their story.... and how many people were there? Estimates are ... 5000. All that hype, and they get a total of 5000 on Boston Commons. I hate to break it to their faithful, but I could probably get 5000 on the Commons with a free concert by a no-name bluegrass band. I mean really. 5000 is all they can manage, after all that publicity. I'm kind of looking forward to November, in the hopes that the media may just realize this is a fringe group with no potential for real impact. Just maybe they will stop treating this 'movement' as if it was something more than a few loony tunes screaming their heads off.
L u n a t i c F r i n g e
LunaticFringe wrote:
Just maybe they will stop treating this 'movement' as if it was something more than a few loony tunes screaming their heads off.
That is all the media treats them as. I'm not sure where you get your intel, but everyone of the media stations except fox makes them out to be raving loonies. Did you complain about the amount of coverage Cindy Sheahan got? Or don't you think she was a raving loon?
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There are more than 5k people involved in the taeparty.
Of course there is. If 5k care enough to show up, there's probably 50k or so, counting those who couldn't make it, couldn't be bothered, etc. But, that's still a drop in the bucket. There's plenty of fringe groups with more people than that. There's definitely more gay people in the city than that, so gay rights, as a political issue, is more likely to have an impact than these people are.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
During the American Revolution the British gave us the name of Yankees because they thought of us as incredibly stupid
Some dictionary sites say the origin is unknown. Wikipedia says it has it's origin in a nickname for dutch people. You don't explain how 'yankee' means 'incredibily stupid', you just say it and expect that to make it true. Typical.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
They thought of us a criminals, lowest of the low
They thought of you as an outpost that should pay more taxes. Their actions were more pig headedness than contempt.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
Some dictionary sites say the origin is unknown. Wikipedia says it has it's origin in a nickname for dutch people. You don't explain how 'yankee' means 'incredibily stupid', you just say it and expect that to make it true. Typical.
That one is easy - He regards himself as a "Yankee" and he is incredibily stupid therefore by his logic all yankee's are incredibily stupid (applogies to all other Johnathans )
Smile and the world smiles withyou, laugh and they think you are a nutter
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Distind wrote:
For some reason I don't foresee 'Tea baggers' being adopted as a national nickname in the future.
There called 'TeaPartiers'. 'Teabaggers' is a derogatory term given to them by the likes of you.
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Distind wrote:
For some reason I don't foresee 'Tea baggers' being adopted as a national nickname in the future.
There called 'TeaPartiers'. 'Teabaggers' is a derogatory term given to them by the likes of you.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
There called 'TeaPartiers'.
THEY'RE called... If you are going to correct someone on using a term, use the correct English. And they had been calling themselves Teabaggers until someone showed them what teabagging meant using Halo.