Protesting for higher taxes!
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How'd you learn to read? How'd you learn math? Private school? If not, stfu. You and millions of other kids learning was the demand. If you did go to public school, you are a hypocrit of the highest order. Hell, I will be nice and point out how screwed school teachers are in little words. What does a babysitter make? Let's be a scrooge and say $3/hr. (This is way low) Now have that babysitter take care of a kid from 8am until 3pm. Now have them do it for, say, 21 kids. $63 an hour, times 7 hours. $441/day 5 days a week. How many teachers make $2205 a week? That's in the order of 114.6K a year. We are paying teachers less than babysitters. And babysitters don't teach our kids multiplication, english, history, or any of the other skills needed to succeed, they just make sure the kid doesn't manage to kill themselves while we are away. Shoot, I used a big word. multiplications means special math.
Our babysitter gets $10 an hour. My wife, a teacher in a public school, earns nowhere near that figure. A parent of one of the students once told my wife, "I taught him how to feed himself and dress himself, when he's there he's your responsibility"
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Our babysitter gets $10 an hour. My wife, a teacher in a public school, earns nowhere near that figure. A parent of one of the students once told my wife, "I taught him how to feed himself and dress himself, when he's there he's your responsibility"
I don't get it. We pay people millions to play games for the amusement of fans, but when it comes to getting our own children prepared for the real world, people claim teachers are overpaid. $3/hr was me being a scrooge. My wife and I go with $5 an hour or more depending on age and situation. That doesn't include the meal we pay for.
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I don't get it. We pay people millions to play games for the amusement of fans, but when it comes to getting our own children prepared for the real world, people claim teachers are overpaid. $3/hr was me being a scrooge. My wife and I go with $5 an hour or more depending on age and situation. That doesn't include the meal we pay for.
I can't speak for teachers in general, but I see just how much work my wife does and can outright say she is not overpaid. She doesn't get her evenings, she takes phone calls from parents on the weekend. Her summer vacation, she spends a lot of organising the next years work, that's certainly not paid for.
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If you'd like to play statistics I can probably show you the majority of the budget goes to zenu by citing the 'proper' sources, but the more reality based would lead me to believe a good chunk of it winds up in our military's pocket, at least far more than what goes to welfare.
Please speak from knowledge. According to The Wiki (all hail)[^], DOD is 2nd, after Social Security, which is almost 30% higher. Summed SS, Medicaid, Medicare, SCHIP, Unemployment & Welfare is over half of the budget. The problem is lies,damn lies, and statistics. The defense budget is a HUGE portion of *discretionary* spending (since we have made laws that require the funding of those programs listed above, a big part of that 50+% of the budget 'does not count'). People such as these,[^] will show the DOD budget as percent of selected portions of discretionary plus non-discretionary military related funds, and say > 50%. It is all in how you want the numbers to end up. The pie chart I showed did not include VA benefits, the GWOT, DHS or intell agencies as part of the DOD budget. I didn't set it up that way, it was literally the first one I found, and illustrates how statistics can work any way you want them to.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
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Most of your tax money goes to the banks and corporations (Geithner's buddies, the people who paid for Obama), and then it goes to welfare recipients.
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Even if this is true, and it might be, it doesn't change what the OP said. Rooting out corruption and lowering taxes are not the same thing. Giving them LESS to give to people who don't deserve it, will not help the programs that do.
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On Wednesday, a phalanx of public sector employees, including SEIU, Illinois Education Association, Illinois Federation of Teachers, AFSCME, and AFL-CIO, rallied in support of the tax hike in the capital, Springfield. [^] These people are like robbers, instead of people who actually have a demand for their services and pay them their fair share that way, they get paid because the government forcibly confiscates real workers wealth and gives it to these loons. That's not free market.
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You're an idiot. The irony is, the school system plainly failed you, probably due to under funding, leading to the ignorance you show today. Your post is PROOF that these people are right.
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Our babysitter gets $10 an hour. My wife, a teacher in a public school, earns nowhere near that figure. A parent of one of the students once told my wife, "I taught him how to feed himself and dress himself, when he's there he's your responsibility"
Yeah, people are idiots. The local school has thanked me for being one of the few parents who backs up the teachers when my son is told to do something, and punishes my son if he's bad at school. I have a friend in the US who taught at high school level. A male student attacked a female teacher and he intervened, and he was fired and can't get teaching work, he now works answering the phones at a bank.
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I'm completely ripping off someone else's post here, but figure this may interest some people here: Springfield, Illinois saw 15,000 people show up at the capital to rally for a tax increase. Why? They want to pay more taxes to make sure schools and other government services are not cut. The crowd chanted at lawmakers "do you jobs" and "show some guts". The state legislature is more interested in cutting programs just so they can say they did not raise taxes. .....by the way, 15,000 showed up to ask for higher taxes, while the Tea Party tax day rally only had around 1,500. http://www.myfoxillinois.com/dpp/news/il....sures_lawmakers[^] http://progressillinois.com/posts/conten....rms-springfield[^] http://progressillinois.com/quick-hits/c....our-state-rally[^] Stolen From HERE[^ /theft I do have to say it's nice to see people who realize a government that actually does it's job is worth the money. Lower taxes doesn't solve much of anything, cutting programs can cause plenty of problems though.
Distind wrote:
by the way, 15,000 showed up to ask for higher taxes
Yeah, these are probably teachers and such who will benefit directly from everyone else getting hosed by the higher taxes. Raise taxes to give us jobs and raises! This just happened in Oregon a few months ago. It was kinda disgusting to see people give the "save the children" speech when it was really them just wanting to secure their jobs and pay. Oregon stupidity.[^]
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Distind wrote:
by the way, 15,000 showed up to ask for higher taxes
Yeah, these are probably teachers and such who will benefit directly from everyone else getting hosed by the higher taxes. Raise taxes to give us jobs and raises! This just happened in Oregon a few months ago. It was kinda disgusting to see people give the "save the children" speech when it was really them just wanting to secure their jobs and pay. Oregon stupidity.[^]
Yeah, because of all the professions you can enter with a degree, teaching has probably the most stress and certainly the lowest pay. These people are obviously in it for the money.
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I can't speak for teachers in general, but I see just how much work my wife does and can outright say she is not overpaid. She doesn't get her evenings, she takes phone calls from parents on the weekend. Her summer vacation, she spends a lot of organising the next years work, that's certainly not paid for.
Gotta love people who are dumb enough to think teachers only work during the school day.
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Yeah, because of all the professions you can enter with a degree, teaching has probably the most stress and certainly the lowest pay. These people are obviously in it for the money.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Christian Graus wrote:
most stress
Citation required. You must know different teachers than I do.
Are you claiming that dealing with retarded parents who assume their kid is always right, teenagers who push them around, a PC society that won't allow teachers to have any authority or punish bad behaviour, school materials that date from the 1950s and a low wage is not stressful ?
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Are you claiming that dealing with retarded parents who assume their kid is always right, teenagers who push them around, a PC society that won't allow teachers to have any authority or punish bad behaviour, school materials that date from the 1950s and a low wage is not stressful ?
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Sure like any job there is some stress. I thought you were going overboard by referring to it as "most stress." The teachers I know are locked into their jobs thanks to their unions. None of them really worry about their jobs or try very hard for that matter. Mostly babysitters with a lesson plan. There may be some real go-getters out there but my guess is they are the exception and not the rule.
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Christian Graus wrote:
most stress
Citation required. You must know different teachers than I do.
He did say the most stress for the least pay. Sure, an ER surgeon may have more stress but they sure get paid a lot more. A fighter pilot probably has a lot of stress, but they actually get paid quite a bit more than a teacher. So as far as a CBA goes, teaching has more stress per dollar or euro or pound or, etc... earned than probably most professions.
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Sure like any job there is some stress. I thought you were going overboard by referring to it as "most stress." The teachers I know are locked into their jobs thanks to their unions. None of them really worry about their jobs or try very hard for that matter. Mostly babysitters with a lesson plan. There may be some real go-getters out there but my guess is they are the exception and not the rule.
thrakazog wrote:
I thought you were going overboard by referring to it as "most stress."
Well, I think I inserted some sort of potential caveat, b/c I'm not suggesting other jobs are not stressful. The stress to wage ratio is almost certainly worst for teachers tho.
thrakazog wrote:
The teachers I know are locked into their jobs thanks to their unions. None of them really worry about their jobs or try very hard for that matter. Mostly babysitters with a lesson plan.
I guess if someone can find a way to live in the system and not care, they will get through. Question is, why is that all that American kids not rich enough for private school are worth ?
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He did say the most stress for the least pay. Sure, an ER surgeon may have more stress but they sure get paid a lot more. A fighter pilot probably has a lot of stress, but they actually get paid quite a bit more than a teacher. So as far as a CBA goes, teaching has more stress per dollar or euro or pound or, etc... earned than probably most professions.
I can only speak to what I know. I know a few teachers who are making $50K+ that are far from *most* stressed. And thanks to the taxpayers they will continue to receive their full salary once they retire. I can imagine what a stress nightmare that must be. I know nobody outside public employees with that kind of benefit.
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I can only speak to what I know. I know a few teachers who are making $50K+ that are far from *most* stressed. And thanks to the taxpayers they will continue to receive their full salary once they retire. I can imagine what a stress nightmare that must be. I know nobody outside public employees with that kind of benefit.
So, $50k a year for what, 40 years of work and 20 of retirement ? I don't even have a degree, my work is not stressful at all, and I make three times that. So, again, a teacher has a lot more stress relative to income than most people who have a job that requires a degree. Sure, these people you know may have decided to play the game and not to care, but how is that the best outcome for the kids in their care ?
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thrakazog wrote:
I thought you were going overboard by referring to it as "most stress."
Well, I think I inserted some sort of potential caveat, b/c I'm not suggesting other jobs are not stressful. The stress to wage ratio is almost certainly worst for teachers tho.
thrakazog wrote:
The teachers I know are locked into their jobs thanks to their unions. None of them really worry about their jobs or try very hard for that matter. Mostly babysitters with a lesson plan.
I guess if someone can find a way to live in the system and not care, they will get through. Question is, why is that all that American kids not rich enough for private school are worth ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
I guess if someone can find a way to live in the system and not care, they will get through.
This leads right back to my initial complaint. It was these very people that were demanding taxes be raised "for the children."
Christian Graus wrote:
Question is, why is that all that American kids not rich enough for private school are worth ?
There are probably countless ways to improve the school system. But rubber stamping new taxes seems to be the only answer people around here are willing to try. Money fixes everything right? Throw more of that at the fire.
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Christian Graus wrote:
I guess if someone can find a way to live in the system and not care, they will get through.
This leads right back to my initial complaint. It was these very people that were demanding taxes be raised "for the children."
Christian Graus wrote:
Question is, why is that all that American kids not rich enough for private school are worth ?
There are probably countless ways to improve the school system. But rubber stamping new taxes seems to be the only answer people around here are willing to try. Money fixes everything right? Throw more of that at the fire.
thrakazog wrote:
There are probably countless ways to improve the school system. But rubber stamping new taxes seems to be the only answer people around here are willing to try. Money fixes everything right? Throw more of that at the fire.
Well, to be honest, given how underresources schools are, and how underpaid teachers are, it seems like an obvious move to me. I can't think of any other moves that are likely to fly. How about letting teachers punish parents for their kids bad behaviour ? How about cash fines if your kid is a consistent trouble maker ? Make the parents pay and see how they back the schools up then ?
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So, $50k a year for what, 40 years of work and 20 of retirement ? I don't even have a degree, my work is not stressful at all, and I make three times that. So, again, a teacher has a lot more stress relative to income than most people who have a job that requires a degree. Sure, these people you know may have decided to play the game and not to care, but how is that the best outcome for the kids in their care ?
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
but how is that the best outcome for the kids in their care ?
It isn't. I'd fire their asses if I could. Back to the stress thing. You might be right, but I'm betting people that work for walmart or mcdonald's make far less and with more stress. But we're really arguing things that are pretty much impossible to measure.
