Protesting for higher taxes!
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Yeah, because of all the professions you can enter with a degree, teaching has probably the most stress and certainly the lowest pay. These people are obviously in it for the money.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
Christian Graus wrote:
These people are obviously in it for the money.
Most BEd teachers I have known would be virtually unemployable elsewhere, they seem only to function in a school-like environment, first as a student, then as a teacher. The better teachers have been those with a degree in their chosen discipline, some experience of its application in business or research, plus 6 months teacher training. (The best had the above, plus military experience. :) )
Bob Emmett CSS: I don't intend to be a technical writing, I intend to be a software engineer.
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How'd you learn to read? How'd you learn math? Private school? If not, stfu. You and millions of other kids learning was the demand. If you did go to public school, you are a hypocrit of the highest order. Hell, I will be nice and point out how screwed school teachers are in little words. What does a babysitter make? Let's be a scrooge and say $3/hr. (This is way low) Now have that babysitter take care of a kid from 8am until 3pm. Now have them do it for, say, 21 kids. $63 an hour, times 7 hours. $441/day 5 days a week. How many teachers make $2205 a week? That's in the order of 114.6K a year. We are paying teachers less than babysitters. And babysitters don't teach our kids multiplication, english, history, or any of the other skills needed to succeed, they just make sure the kid doesn't manage to kill themselves while we are away. Shoot, I used a big word. multiplications means special math.
you'll get used to his ilogical rants and learn to ignore them
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Please speak from knowledge. According to The Wiki (all hail)[^], DOD is 2nd, after Social Security, which is almost 30% higher. Summed SS, Medicaid, Medicare, SCHIP, Unemployment & Welfare is over half of the budget. The problem is lies,damn lies, and statistics. The defense budget is a HUGE portion of *discretionary* spending (since we have made laws that require the funding of those programs listed above, a big part of that 50+% of the budget 'does not count'). People such as these,[^] will show the DOD budget as percent of selected portions of discretionary plus non-discretionary military related funds, and say > 50%. It is all in how you want the numbers to end up. The pie chart I showed did not include VA benefits, the GWOT, DHS or intell agencies as part of the DOD budget. I didn't set it up that way, it was literally the first one I found, and illustrates how statistics can work any way you want them to.
Opacity, the new Transparency.
RichardM1 wrote:
The pie chart I showed did not include VA benefits, the GWOT, DHS or intell agencies as part of the DOD budget. I didn't set it up that way, it was literally the first one I found, and illustrates how statistics can work any way you want them to.
Yea, I wasn't entirely kidding about that zenu bit, I've seen defense anywhere from 10% to 40% of our budget, and no matter which of those is true, we still spend more than any other country on earth. That's pretty disturbing to me.
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For pie in the sky ideas I'd like to see a voucher system setup. Every kid gets X dollars for education per year and where the parents choose to send them determines what school receives that money. Then you might see schools fighting for students and competing to give the best education. Might be worth a try, it'll never happen.
Ugh, See, there's a problem with assuming free-market and education are going to work together. Look at the fights across the country related to education right now. From what I've seen most of them are in two groups, The ones where people don't want to pay for someone else's kids education and the ones based purely on politics. Creationism, sex ed, and a few that are nothing but fronts claiming religious persecution by Christians who are suing just to do what they already can. Vouchers are just another political tool to undermine already struggling institutions. Rather than fixing them, people will do what they always do, if they can afford it they'll go somewhere else, leaving those who can't trapped there with inferior institutions, and then they'll wonder why the area goes to shit. Or we can go the purely political bull end of the spectrum where parents feel they shouldn't have to teach their kids a thing, and most assuredly should still have complete control over anything the child is taught. Vouchers are not a solution, they're a way to dodge the problem.
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Christian Graus wrote:
but how is that the best outcome for the kids in their care ?
It isn't. I'd fire their asses if I could. Back to the stress thing. You might be right, but I'm betting people that work for walmart or mcdonald's make far less and with more stress. But we're really arguing things that are pretty much impossible to measure.
thrakazog wrote:
You might be right, but I'm betting people that work for walmart or mcdonald's make far less and with more stress.
I've heard far more stories of people managing to amuse themselves on their employers time/dime from food service(I'll never eat a taco bell again) and supermarkets than teaching. Most of what I've heard brings it down to the boss and the quantity of idiot customers. Now imagine you're locked in a room with 20+ idiot customers for an hour at a time six times a day, oh and you're expected to teach them something. It may be different in areas where people are actually interested in being educated, but it certainly was about that where I went to school.
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Gotta love people who are dumb enough to think teachers only work during the school day.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
It was going to be a 1-2 punch for pillowpants. Point out that they should be getting 110k+ JUST for the babysitting and then show all the unpaid hours they put in. ;) But, well... he has to not run away from a logical fight that he can't win.
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you'll get used to his ilogical rants and learn to ignore them
you haven't been following moron and I in this room much? :) For me it is fun. I get to stress test a moronBot.
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For pie in the sky ideas I'd like to see a voucher system setup. Every kid gets X dollars for education per year and where the parents choose to send them determines what school receives that money. Then you might see schools fighting for students and competing to give the best education. Might be worth a try, it'll never happen.
All the bigot parents will move their kids out of schools with minorities. Those schools will not have the funding they need and the education will suffer. Those kids will be worse. I worked for a school district for 8 years. One of our schools had the rather hilarious distinction of having the absolute richest neighborhood along with a slum owned by someone in the neightborhood. You had kids with parents working 2 full time jobs and still barely able to afford bus passes next to kids who's parents could afford a new mercedes every year. The rich parents tried to get their kids open enrolled to a "better" school and were turned down. Since the only other options were christian schools with small class sizes you still have some rich kids sitting in the schools. These schools are pretty much all white. Vouchers in theory are nice, in practice they would allow the rich people to get a discount on doing what they already do.
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you haven't been following moron and I in this room much? :) For me it is fun. I get to stress test a moronBot.
I used to try the stress test method and then he gave a personal insult so i ignore him period now.
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I used to try the stress test method and then he gave a personal insult so i ignore him period now.
It's part of the programming. I think we figured it was part of the "They used logic I can't actually argue against." subroutine. I just like that somehow it stores some personal detail in memory for use as an insult later. That was a nice touch.
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It's part of the programming. I think we figured it was part of the "They used logic I can't actually argue against." subroutine. I just like that somehow it stores some personal detail in memory for use as an insult later. That was a nice touch.
yes thats him.. "They used logic I can't actually argue against." that subrountine is fantastic and it impresses me i want to know does it come with a tin foil hat to stop the bunnies from outer space scanning my brain? :laugh:
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yes thats him.. "They used logic I can't actually argue against." that subrountine is fantastic and it impresses me i want to know does it come with a tin foil hat to stop the bunnies from outer space scanning my brain? :laugh:
You know, MIT did research and concluded tin foil hats actually help mind control beams...
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You know, MIT did research and concluded tin foil hats actually help mind control beams...
I had to google that :laugh: the things people dream up to research.
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I had to google that :laugh: the things people dream up to research.
I think it was part of a series they did. They've also tested some of the other conspiracy theorist insanities. :)
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I think it was part of a series they did. They've also tested some of the other conspiracy theorist insanities. :)
lets send them CSS.. they would have a field day on him
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lets send them CSS.. they would have a field day on him
"The programming and inner workings of a forum troll bot." Please be advised that no real humans were harmed in this research. Step 1: Dissected CSS... Discovered a heart shriveled from atrophy. The CPU looked like a brain, except smooth, no wrinkles to see nuances or exercise rationality. Fingers remarkable undamage. Cut and paste technique thought to reduce wear and tear. Minimal typing done during testing periods. The abdomen was designed to spout forth bile from the orifaces at projectile speeds. Rectum showed severe damage, as if a cranium had been inserted repeatedly... Step 2: Rebooted and started field testing. Unit immediately networked to establish contact with an "Alex Jones." Downloaded most of the site links and then began to randomly post them to forums. Cranial cavity showed little to no actual usage during this time. Unit then refreshed page and upon notification that someone had responded began using programmed responses. CPU usage peaked at times with memory being accessed to find a somewhat personal insult to place into a response when the post pointed out logical flaws...
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"The programming and inner workings of a forum troll bot." Please be advised that no real humans were harmed in this research. Step 1: Dissected CSS... Discovered a heart shriveled from atrophy. The CPU looked like a brain, except smooth, no wrinkles to see nuances or exercise rationality. Fingers remarkable undamage. Cut and paste technique thought to reduce wear and tear. Minimal typing done during testing periods. The abdomen was designed to spout forth bile from the orifaces at projectile speeds. Rectum showed severe damage, as if a cranium had been inserted repeatedly... Step 2: Rebooted and started field testing. Unit immediately networked to establish contact with an "Alex Jones." Downloaded most of the site links and then began to randomly post them to forums. Cranial cavity showed little to no actual usage during this time. Unit then refreshed page and upon notification that someone had responded began using programmed responses. CPU usage peaked at times with memory being accessed to find a somewhat personal insult to place into a response when the post pointed out logical flaws...
i must add some further testing criteria into your studies. Step 3: positioned unit (test subject) in a crowed high street (shopping center). Unit showed signs of crashing, until the exception routines kicked in (also showed high CPU usage at this time, but due to the limited amount of memory not used up by site links. responses were slow!) once the rountines had finished, the unit then exited the high street (shopping center) in the short distant possible. once the unit arrived back at the lab, it showed signs of histeria. Had to reboot unit to clear the hysteria rountines.
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It was going to be a 1-2 punch for pillowpants. Point out that they should be getting 110k+ JUST for the babysitting and then show all the unpaid hours they put in. ;) But, well... he has to not run away from a logical fight that he can't win.
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All the bigot parents will move their kids out of schools with minorities. Those schools will not have the funding they need and the education will suffer. Those kids will be worse. I worked for a school district for 8 years. One of our schools had the rather hilarious distinction of having the absolute richest neighborhood along with a slum owned by someone in the neightborhood. You had kids with parents working 2 full time jobs and still barely able to afford bus passes next to kids who's parents could afford a new mercedes every year. The rich parents tried to get their kids open enrolled to a "better" school and were turned down. Since the only other options were christian schools with small class sizes you still have some rich kids sitting in the schools. These schools are pretty much all white. Vouchers in theory are nice, in practice they would allow the rich people to get a discount on doing what they already do.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
All the bigot parents will move their kids out of schools with minorities.
People who really feel this way will do so anyway.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
rich people to get a discount
You're really hung up on rich people. You do know they are the tiniest part of the population right? Will you now tell us about the evil of capitalism?
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RichardM1 wrote:
The pie chart I showed did not include VA benefits, the GWOT, DHS or intell agencies as part of the DOD budget. I didn't set it up that way, it was literally the first one I found, and illustrates how statistics can work any way you want them to.
Yea, I wasn't entirely kidding about that zenu bit, I've seen defense anywhere from 10% to 40% of our budget, and no matter which of those is true, we still spend more than any other country on earth. That's pretty disturbing to me.
