Bleat bleat bleat, my names Christian, the un Christian, who wants the have nots to keep on having not
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Didnt say free. I mean for the average working joe who is forced to live in some cheaply converted flat and whose kids have no garden.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Then it's no a matter of getting a decent house, I know lots of people who live in apartments of 600 sq/feet with wife and a kid (at least) and have a decent place to live, the kid(s) get enough "garden" time at the public park a few blocks away. And that's life in most cities, big cities, around the world, where space is limited, and building there is more expensive due demand of a place to live. Living in the country doesn't give any warranty to people that they will find a decent job according to their career, some might be lucky enough to get a decent job in a small town and have a nice living. The first thing you need to start explaining before complaining is what is decent for you? a house with 3 or more bedrooms? 2 or more bathrooms? 3000 or more sq/feet? 5 acres of garden? a pool?, your "decent" can be different to my "decent" place to live... And now, after that you need to explain what is a decent life for you? a person/family that makes 120,000/year? maybe more? 5 kids running in the house? just 2? I know people who live with half of that and have a very decent life, so please, before you continue with your rant, explain what is decent for you
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Mr Graus here, I have LOTS of money. So much in fact that I am going to buy ANOTHER house when prices drop, which I want them to, so I can make even more nonexistant wealth based on debt and speculation, just like I did with my existing pile of stone. And anyone who hasnt got a house FUCK OFF! You cant have mine! I might rent you my other one when I buy it, after I have converted it onto a set of rabbit hutches unfit for human habitation and scew you for exorbitant rent money because banks wont give you any HA HA! I am not a Christian, but I considder myself far more concerned with the plight of people forced to live in shitty housing (like flats in converted houses without propper noise insulation, and no where for the kids to play) than it appears Christians do. No. Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
The housing bubble is fueled by central banks pumping cheap credit into the market with fresh currency that it created out of thin air. If their were a free market (one without government intervention and central bank manipulation) home prices would normalize down to their true value, and prices of goods and services along with incomes would find their proper balance.
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Well done. And I know people who workl in factories who dont have the benefit of a little more IQ and can work as accountants and do degrees and they work damn hard and cant afford a house for their family. And THAT isnt fair, or a good idea.
Dalek Dave wrote:
our post is that of the Politics of Envy.
Take the time to understand my post before leaping up and down and ranting.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Degree and IQ has nothing to do with else i'd have a large house and a holiday and lots of fast cars. Locations helps when buying homes in the UK. A flat where i live will cost around £120,000. Where i work in oxfordshire it would cost around £140,000 for a starter home. So i rent a home, a cheap home while i get monies sorted to buy a house. While i agree its blooming annoying watching people buy second homes, more cars etc ( no disrepect to them also!) but they've worked for it. As if i could I would also. just my 2 pence worth
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Agreed. Children are a priveledge, not a right. If you cannot afford to bring another mouth into the world, you shouldn't be so irresponsible to do so.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Children are a priveledge, not a right.
Everyone has the right to reproduce, but everyone has a responsibility to take care of their offspring.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Children are a priveledge, not a right.
Everyone has the right to reproduce, but everyone has a responsibility to take care of their offspring.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Everyone has the right to reproduce, but everyone has a responsibility to take care of their offspring.
You're making this too easy. So what should happen to the offspring when a couple exercises their right to reproduce but lacks the responsibility to be able to care for their children? What should happen when a pair of idiots get together and decide to have a dozen kids when they have next to no income? What's it going to be, CSS? Socialism or eugenics?
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Everyone has the right to reproduce, but everyone has a responsibility to take care of their offspring.
You're making this too easy. So what should happen to the offspring when a couple exercises their right to reproduce but lacks the responsibility to be able to care for their children? What should happen when a pair of idiots get together and decide to have a dozen kids when they have next to no income? What's it going to be, CSS? Socialism or eugenics?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
So what should happen to the offspring when a couple exercises their right to reproduce but lacks the responsibility to be able to care for their children?
I can't decide what should happen on a hypothetical situation such as that. Perhaps relatives or friends might feel the need to take the responsibility and persuade the parents to take appropriate actions. Perhaps the parents will become motivated enough to find a home and put food on the table. Maybe a mixture of the two? Charitable organizations might supplement food and housing costs as they set up a job interview for the parents. If parents are total scum, and the child is abused, the police can step in and take criminal actions against the parents, and the child would be offered to near relatives first, then suitable friends, then adoption. Charitable organizations and volunteers would run the adoptions centers and pay for schooling. Life isn't perfect, there will always be suffering because it is part of life. Eventually the sun will explode and all life on the planet will be incinerated to death.
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Children are a priveledge, not a right.
Everyone has the right to reproduce, but everyone has a responsibility to take care of their offspring.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
So what should happen to the offspring when a couple exercises their right to reproduce but lacks the responsibility to be able to care for their children?
I can't decide what should happen on a hypothetical situation such as that. Perhaps relatives or friends might feel the need to take the responsibility and persuade the parents to take appropriate actions. Perhaps the parents will become motivated enough to find a home and put food on the table. Maybe a mixture of the two? Charitable organizations might supplement food and housing costs as they set up a job interview for the parents. If parents are total scum, and the child is abused, the police can step in and take criminal actions against the parents, and the child would be offered to near relatives first, then suitable friends, then adoption. Charitable organizations and volunteers would run the adoptions centers and pay for schooling. Life isn't perfect, there will always be suffering because it is part of life. Eventually the sun will explode and all life on the planet will be incinerated to death.
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So you just assume "charitable organizations" will take care of everything, huh? For someone who distrusts humanity so much, you sure do put a lot of faith in their generous nature. Because see, this isn't a hypothetical situation... Sure, the "dozen kids" thing was an exaggeration, but lots of people have kids without having the ability to support them. Most of them end up on government programs (Which you would of course eliminate). There are even a fair amount of people who still consider both contraception and abortion to be "sins," so you can just imagine how fast their families grow... Do you really think that charitable donations would be enough to care for all of those kids? Because if not, well... Talking about a lot of infants dying of starvation.
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So you just assume "charitable organizations" will take care of everything, huh? For someone who distrusts humanity so much, you sure do put a lot of faith in their generous nature. Because see, this isn't a hypothetical situation... Sure, the "dozen kids" thing was an exaggeration, but lots of people have kids without having the ability to support them. Most of them end up on government programs (Which you would of course eliminate). There are even a fair amount of people who still consider both contraception and abortion to be "sins," so you can just imagine how fast their families grow... Do you really think that charitable donations would be enough to care for all of those kids? Because if not, well... Talking about a lot of infants dying of starvation.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I don't know, this is all hypothetical. All I know is when the government has the power to command markets, redistribute wealth as welfare, and manipulate currency supplies, the economy suffers. Only the top 1% benefits from a highly regulated market and socialism. Once you give government the power to command markets and manipulate money supplies it will be taken over and used to rob and enslave the public while the top 1% in control of the system enrich themselves with vast amounts of money and power. With a free market economy and sound money, all those babies will be better off.
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I don't know, this is all hypothetical. All I know is when the government has the power to command markets, redistribute wealth as welfare, and manipulate currency supplies, the economy suffers. Only the top 1% benefits from a highly regulated market and socialism. Once you give government the power to command markets and manipulate money supplies it will be taken over and used to rob and enslave the public while the top 1% in control of the system enrich themselves with vast amounts of money and power. With a free market economy and sound money, all those babies will be better off.
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You're changing the subject. If your final answer is "I don't know", then maybe it's time to rethink your theory.
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You're changing the subject. If your final answer is "I don't know", then maybe it's time to rethink your theory.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)This is all hypothetical. All I know is when the government has the power to command markets, redistribute wealth as welfare, and manipulate currency supplies, the economy suffers. Only the top 1% benefits from a highly regulated market and socialism. Once you give government the power to command markets and manipulate money supplies it will be taken over and used to rob and enslave the public while the top 1% in control of the system enrich themselves with vast amounts of money and power. With a free market economy and sound money, all those babies will be better off.
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This is all hypothetical. All I know is when the government has the power to command markets, redistribute wealth as welfare, and manipulate currency supplies, the economy suffers. Only the top 1% benefits from a highly regulated market and socialism. Once you give government the power to command markets and manipulate money supplies it will be taken over and used to rob and enslave the public while the top 1% in control of the system enrich themselves with vast amounts of money and power. With a free market economy and sound money, all those babies will be better off.
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You said that already, and it's still not an answer... Have I triggered a buffer overflow? Is your response engine stuck in an infinite loop?
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You said that already, and it's still not an answer... Have I triggered a buffer overflow? Is your response engine stuck in an infinite loop?
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
Have I triggered a buffer overflow?
Perhaps in your own logic. I always know when I win an argument when the other person starts foaming at the mouth as in your case.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
Have I triggered a buffer overflow?
Perhaps in your own logic. I always know when I win an argument when the other person starts foaming at the mouth as in your case.
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You win the argument when you disprove the other person's position. I'm still waiting for an answer.
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You win the argument when you disprove the other person's position. I'm still waiting for an answer.
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Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)The issue is, what system benefits society the most. Only the top 1% benefits from a highly regulated market and socialism. Once you give government the power to command markets and manipulate money supplies it will be taken over and used to rob and enslave the public while the top 1% in control of the system enrich themselves with vast amounts of money and power. With a free market economy and sound money, all those babies will be better off.
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The issue is, what system benefits society the most. Only the top 1% benefits from a highly regulated market and socialism. Once you give government the power to command markets and manipulate money supplies it will be taken over and used to rob and enslave the public while the top 1% in control of the system enrich themselves with vast amounts of money and power. With a free market economy and sound money, all those babies will be better off.
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Again, you're changing the subject. The issue was defined in your original post:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Everyone has the right to reproduce, but everyone has a responsibility to take care of their offspring.
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The issue is, what system benefits society the most. Only the top 1% benefits from a highly regulated market and socialism. Once you give government the power to command markets and manipulate money supplies it will be taken over and used to rob and enslave the public while the top 1% in control of the system enrich themselves with vast amounts of money and power. With a free market economy and sound money, all those babies will be better off.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Once you give government the power to command markets and manipulate money supplies it will be taken over and used to rob and enslave the public while the top 1% in control of the system enrich themselves with vast amounts of money and power.
Compared to the free market, in which the top 1% take their money to manipulate the market to enrich themselves with further funds and secure power. I'd take the system that pretends to stop them myself.
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Again, you're changing the subject. The issue was defined in your original post:
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Everyone has the right to reproduce, but everyone has a responsibility to take care of their offspring.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Once you give government the power to command markets and manipulate money supplies it will be taken over and used to rob and enslave the public while the top 1% in control of the system enrich themselves with vast amounts of money and power.
Compared to the free market, in which the top 1% take their money to manipulate the market to enrich themselves with further funds and secure power. I'd take the system that pretends to stop them myself.
In a free market system, competition enables the little guys to team up against the big guys in a way that is nearly impossible in a regulated market. Today the regulators regulate in favor the the big guys and that is why we have a fascistic command & control corporatacracy instead of a constitutional republic.
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Are we going to go 'round and 'round again? You admitted that you don't have a solution to the vast number of people who are NOT responsible enough to support their children and to only reproduce when they can afford to support their offspring. So are you ready to adjust your position yet?
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