Bleat bleat bleat, my names Christian, the un Christian, who wants the have nots to keep on having not
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Dalek Dave wrote:
Children are a priveledge, not a right. If you cannot afford to bring another mouth into the world, you shouldn't be so irresponsible to do so.
Fuck me. You really think that people are that clever, including you? You think you are that responsible, including you? Hypocrit. Preaching pfrom a position of luck. (Yes, you were born into a wealthy country with a white skin and the genetic heredity that allows you to become an accountant. Take that away, be lower caste in India or somewhere, and then apply the same rules you espouse to yourself then.)
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
Whoa whoa whoa! Time out! :suss:
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not all flats are like this my first "mortgaged" purchased flat wasn't anything like that.. it had a communal garden and off road parking.
Thanks for taking the time, now go away and grow up and return in a newer, more polite and less shouty and ignorant form. - Dalek Dave
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So you are saying that people across the world fuck and have kids because they don't know how not to? You are a patronising twat. Lucky to be born white? No, had generations of my family moved out of Africa and struggle in the tundra for 1000 generations. Born into a wealthy country? Hardly, one of the biggest debtors in the world. The Genetic Heredity that allows me to become an accountant? No, just hard work and education. Now, go back to skulking about your poverty and be thankful that you are alive, working and healthy.
------------------------------------ I will never again mention that I was the poster of the One Millionth Lounge Post, nor that it was complete drivel. Dalek Dave
Dalek Dave wrote:
So you are saying that people across the world f*** and have kids because they don't know how not to?
So you really do rekon you are that in control eh? Hey, you must walk on water!
Dalek Dave wrote:
No, had generations of my family moved out of Africa and struggle in the tundra for 1000 generations
So because your ancestors came out of arica 20000 years ago you liken yourself to a lower caste Indian? BTWm your photo is awfully white looking despite your claimed ancestory.
Dalek Dave wrote:
Now, go back to skulking about your poverty and be thankful that you are alive, working and healthy.
Good try, but wrong pal. Actually I am even more proviledged than you, publlic school, good accent, wealthy background, intelligent, and sucessfull. And I am very fortunate for the accident of birth that gave me such a head start. And I fell for those who havent had the same good fortune. If you dont then you lack compassion and understanding, And as for calling me a twat, I forgive you, because you are ignorant.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Whoa whoa whoa! Time out! :suss:
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fat_boy wrote:
Ah, so those who just work in factories and cant earn any more will have to forgo having children while houses are proced out of their reach?
Owning a house is not a right either. If they cant afford to buy they can rent in a cheaper part of town. If they cant afford that then at least in Australia they can apply for government housing. If they dont like that they can emigrate to North Korea and have the state provide for their needs.
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Have you been drinking again ?
fat_boy wrote:
So much in fact that I am going to buy ANOTHER house when prices drop, which I want them to, so I can make even more nonexistant wealth based on debt and speculation, just like I did with my existing pile of stone.
Hmmm.... Well, not sure if it's any of your business but, I don't have a mortgage because I created a product and sold it, and that's how I used my money. I don't have enough money to outright buy another house, but I am young enough that I can afford to have another mortgage when prices are good. I would like to see prices drop because I think they are too high, and I do believe that affordability is in the toilet, which is one reason the prices are unsustainable. I don't think that every person has a 'right' to a home, some people will always find they can't afford to buy a house, and that's life. However, based on the fact I own two houses outright, my short term 'wealth' will obviously suffer when prices drop. It's not a case of what I want, it's a case of what I see is inevitable, and therefore, my plans for another investment property ( which are largely based on my having two kids and wanting a house per child, so I can help them enter the market ), involve waiting for the drop that I see likely.
fat_boy wrote:
And anyone who hasnt got a house f*** OFF! You cant have mine!
Unless you're one of my kids, hell yes. Why should you have mine ? I worked hard for it.
fat_boy wrote:
I might rent you my other one when I buy it, after I have converted it onto a set of rabbit hutches unfit for human habitation and scew you for exorbitant rent money because banks wont give you any HA HA!
Again, this is none of your business, however, the average rent for a house where I live is rising rapidly, 13% last year. It's now around $320 a week. The property I rent out is on 5 acres, and I've also been renovating it, so I should be able to get at least the average rent for it. I charge $240. I rent to a single mother with 2 kids, and every year I consider that I should put the rent up but I decide I don't need the money enough to cause her the hardship.
fat_boy wrote:
No. Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
If families do not have the ability to put a roof over their head, then s
Christian Graus wrote:
I rent to a single mother with 2 kids, and every year I consider that I should put the rent up but I decide I don't need the money enough to cause her the hardship
Well that is admirable. (Sriuosly)
Christian Graus wrote:
That some people cannot afford to BUY a home is no more a problem, than that some people need to drive a used car.
And that isnt. A used car is perfectly OK. A flat with no space, no propper sound insulation, no where for kids to play, is NOT OK for a familly.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
Everyone has the right to reproduce, but everyone has a responsibility to take care of their offspring.
You're making this too easy. So what should happen to the offspring when a couple exercises their right to reproduce but lacks the responsibility to be able to care for their children? What should happen when a pair of idiots get together and decide to have a dozen kids when they have next to no income? What's it going to be, CSS? Socialism or eugenics?
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)Ian Shlasko wrote:
What should happen when a pair of idiots get together and decide to have a dozen kids when they have next to no income?
As much as I dislike the situation you've just described, what would you rather have - people applying for and/or buying licenses to breed?
Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)
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Christian Graus wrote:
I rent to a single mother with 2 kids, and every year I consider that I should put the rent up but I decide I don't need the money enough to cause her the hardship
Well that is admirable. (Sriuosly)
Christian Graus wrote:
That some people cannot afford to BUY a home is no more a problem, than that some people need to drive a used car.
And that isnt. A used car is perfectly OK. A flat with no space, no propper sound insulation, no where for kids to play, is NOT OK for a familly.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
A used car is perfectly OK. A flat with no space, no propper sound insulation, no where for kids to play, is NOT OK for a familly.
See, I think someone else above hit the core of the issue. I don't know what life is like where you live. However, here, the government offers low income earners rent assistance, and there are plenty of decent homes for rent, with backyards. Only young people starting out, or old people who don't want to maintain land, live in flats, typically. Some public housing is flats, and some families who are totally reliant on welfare live in them, in big cities. Most people who rent, live in houses. Hell, uni students will share a house, typically a very large but run down one with a decent back yard, because such things are not at a premium here. I've never meant to say that the poor should be forced to live in tiny units, or that their kids should rely on public parks for somewhere to play. I think there's a disconnect between the places we live that cause you to interpret my words in ways that I never meant. I just meant, so long as people have somewhere decent to live, and assistance exists to make that possible for them if they are on a low wage, then I see no reason why they have a right to OWN a home, as opposed to having a decent roof over their heads for all of their lives, but at the end not having any equity because they didn't ever have the money, or the determination, to make that happen.
Christian Graus Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista. Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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Ian Shlasko wrote:
What should happen when a pair of idiots get together and decide to have a dozen kids when they have next to no income?
As much as I dislike the situation you've just described, what would you rather have - people applying for and/or buying licenses to breed?
Cheers, Vikram. (Got my troika of CCCs!)
Hard to say... From an economic perspective, that seems to be the best solution... But from a moral perspective, what we have now (Welfare system) seems to be the most reasonable. From an evolutionary standpoint, I think a licensing system is more beneficial to us as a species, since if it was properly implemented (That's of course a HUGE "if"), it could greatly affect our development as a species... Those who aren't hardworking and responsible (Or related to someone who is) will find it more difficult to pass on their genes. Then again, knowing how power corrupts, this could just as easily be warped in a completely different direction, which would come close to validating CSS's paranoia while invoking Godwin's Law at the same time. It's a question of which society values more, and I don't think it's a decision I'd be qualified to make.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
Have you been drinking again ?
fat_boy wrote:
So much in fact that I am going to buy ANOTHER house when prices drop, which I want them to, so I can make even more nonexistant wealth based on debt and speculation, just like I did with my existing pile of stone.
Hmmm.... Well, not sure if it's any of your business but, I don't have a mortgage because I created a product and sold it, and that's how I used my money. I don't have enough money to outright buy another house, but I am young enough that I can afford to have another mortgage when prices are good. I would like to see prices drop because I think they are too high, and I do believe that affordability is in the toilet, which is one reason the prices are unsustainable. I don't think that every person has a 'right' to a home, some people will always find they can't afford to buy a house, and that's life. However, based on the fact I own two houses outright, my short term 'wealth' will obviously suffer when prices drop. It's not a case of what I want, it's a case of what I see is inevitable, and therefore, my plans for another investment property ( which are largely based on my having two kids and wanting a house per child, so I can help them enter the market ), involve waiting for the drop that I see likely.
fat_boy wrote:
And anyone who hasnt got a house f*** OFF! You cant have mine!
Unless you're one of my kids, hell yes. Why should you have mine ? I worked hard for it.
fat_boy wrote:
I might rent you my other one when I buy it, after I have converted it onto a set of rabbit hutches unfit for human habitation and scew you for exorbitant rent money because banks wont give you any HA HA!
Again, this is none of your business, however, the average rent for a house where I live is rising rapidly, 13% last year. It's now around $320 a week. The property I rent out is on 5 acres, and I've also been renovating it, so I should be able to get at least the average rent for it. I charge $240. I rent to a single mother with 2 kids, and every year I consider that I should put the rent up but I decide I don't need the money enough to cause her the hardship.
fat_boy wrote:
No. Make it a right for a family to have a home suitable for a family.
If families do not have the ability to put a roof over their head, then s