VirtualBox FAIL!
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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Jim Crafton wrote:
can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly
It does however always go smoothly. Well at least the 100+ times I have installed it on various machines. Never had a real problem.
John
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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The simple fact is that getting windows logo certification costs time, and as a project that is given away for free, time is very precious. Personally I'd much rather they spent their time fixing bugs and adding requested features that wasting it getting logo certification. I'd understand your point if the installation failed or gave error messages, but it doesn't, it's just windows warning you that Microsoft hasn't approved this driver package. I've had plenty of certified drivers fail, so that approval doesn't mean a lot to me anyway. Just be happy that they have given you their hard work for free. And as with anything open source, if you don't like something, don't moan about it, contribute your own time to fix it.
Simon
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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Don't worry. It's not bad at all. Although I have VMWare and Hyper-V licenses, I still use VirtualBox a lot, because it scriptable. (I don't use if for real production kit though). It's a choice you make, at least the drivers are signed by Sun Microsystems (Oracle nowadays?) Microsoft certification can be a long (and expensive) process. VirtualBox originated as an Open-Source product, and was bought a number of years ago by Sun. Sun has added some closed source components to it (mainly in the area of USB virtualisation), but executables can be downloaded freely. It's quite a good VM. and their free forums are quite responsive, often with bug fixes coming in a matter of weeks. (no patches though, updating is always to the latest and greatest version)
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Jim Crafton wrote:
can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly
It does however always go smoothly. Well at least the 100+ times I have installed it on various machines. Never had a real problem.
John
You never get the warning? By smoothly I mean not getting that warning to popup.
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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I guess you're running XP or 2k3. VB's Vista/7/2k8 drivers are all signed.
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I guess you're running XP or 2k3. VB's Vista/7/2k8 drivers are all signed.
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Yep, I was going to try it at work. Well at least they got that far.
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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Jim, The first time I installed Virtual Box, I too was rather skeptical of the warnings, especially when it indicates it has to "restart your network connections, which may somehow hose your system", etc.etc.etc., but I've been using Virtual Box now for over a year, and it has never once done anything to my installation of Windows to cause problems. Ironically, my Windows 7 Enterprise machine (new machine, clean install of Windows 7 Ent.) had problems with Microsoft's XPMode, where it kept corrupting the XPMode installation, that I over came by installing Virtual Box and running Windows XP out of that. SO ... you have the "Doug Seal of Approval" on the whole Virtual Box thing; which should carry far more weight than any Signed Microsoft Driver, because, well, I'm me and they're not. :-\
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You never get the warning? By smoothly I mean not getting that warning to popup.
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I just dismiss the warning like I have done thousands of times on drivers of all sorts.
John
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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I've been using VirtualBox on XP for several years and have not had any problems. The network interruption during the install is annoying, but tolerable because connections always seem to be reestablished properly. Installation on Windows 7 also works like a champ.
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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I tried VirtualBox several months ago and it wouldn't run stable for any period of time. It constantly corrupted the virtual drive and refused to install XP, throwing an exception. I finally got Windows Server 2008 running long enough to do some basic Visual Studio 2010 benchmarking and found that everything ran just as fast or faster on VirtualPC (though still piss poor). Then VirtualBox crashed hard; I uninstalled it and haven't bothered with it since. Yes, I think it's promising, but I also think it's half assed (and so is VirtualPC.) (The truly annoying part is that I don't want a stupid Virtual PC anyway; I just want to sandbox some applications for testing. How freaking hard is that?)
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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I use VirtualBox on my Windows 7 machine (without processor virtualization) because it's free and easy to use. Creating a new virtual machine has never had a problem, but I have had corruption issues with some of the machines once they were up and running. Granted, most of them were with beta versions of Ubuntu. I've seen to boxes about non-signed drivers and have alwyas said to continue and have never had a problem. I work in the automation industry and a lot of drivers I need to install are not signed by Microsoft. So it's become such a habit I might not even notice the box if it pops up anymore. There other problem that I'm currently trying to recover from right now is I use a virtual XP machine to do VB6 work with. The virtual box GUI will say it's stopped responding whenever I make the project. I can run it without a problem, I just can't make it. From what I've seen on the internet, I think it is a VB6 linker problem not a Virtual Box problem. Virtual Box can't send the data to Microsoft so it stops responding itself. Personally, I recommend it.
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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It's more Microsoft's fault for making it so damn pricey to get the certification. Never ever had a problem with VBox installs.
// Steve McLenithan
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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It's a brilliant product in my opinion and you can't argue with the price. Your loss. :)
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It's a brilliant product in my opinion and you can't argue with the price. Your loss. :)
Rob Caldecott wrote:
and you can't argue with the price
Free sounds good but doesn't always mean cheap. I rather pay for software when I know (like after evaluation) that it works smoothly than to use a 'free' product that I pay for with stress and hours and hours of reading through forums for possible solutions which might not work for my configuration. I tried VB a few times and it never worked as well as VMWare. Their player is free and since, I think version 3 of the player, they added a graphical editor to create VMs. The things missing in the player are features like Visual Studio integration, snapshots and clones, record/replay... Here[^]'s a feature matrix. But afaik non of these features are present in VB.
Regards, J.W.
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The simple fact is that getting windows logo certification costs time, and as a project that is given away for free, time is very precious. Personally I'd much rather they spent their time fixing bugs and adding requested features that wasting it getting logo certification. I'd understand your point if the installation failed or gave error messages, but it doesn't, it's just windows warning you that Microsoft hasn't approved this driver package. I've had plenty of certified drivers fail, so that approval doesn't mean a lot to me anyway. Just be happy that they have given you their hard work for free. And as with anything open source, if you don't like something, don't moan about it, contribute your own time to fix it.
Simon
Simon P Stevens wrote:
as a project that is given away for free, time is very precious
? WTF? In my experience it's pretty much exactly the opposite. Open source works because the people who produce it have nothing but time. Proprietary software development on the other hand lives and dies by how long it takes to get it to market.
Simon P Stevens wrote:
Just be happy that they have given you their hard work for free.
Why should he be? Free doesn't excuse sloppiness and frankly this project comes straight out of Sun who if they gave a damn have the resources to ensure the installation runs smoothly. No, it's just another example of open source sloppiness. It's to be expected though, professionals who are worth paying are rarely working charity for multinational corporations like Sun.
Yesterday they said today was tomorrow but today they know better. - Poul Anderson
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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No wonder you have a problem...you aren't supposed to install virtualbox in windows, but rather you should install windows in virtualbox. Virtualbox is installed in linux.
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I was curious to try Virtual Box. Went to install it. Nearly done when a big old dialog comes up warning me of impending doom if I continue because it's (the drivers it uses presumably) not Windows Logo certified. Do I want to continue? Hmm, look around online a bit, and sure enough the VirtualBox guys have known of this since *at least* 2008, and from the response to the bug submission it sounds like the awareness of the problem dates back even further. So a quick check of the VB page indicates the project is still active - Sun made multiple releases in late 2009, with all sorts of features. So boom, I stop the installation. Why? If you've got enough time to add all sorts of features to your product, but you can't be bothered to insure the installation of it goes smoothly and correctly (and if that means getting drivers signed then so be it), don't expect me to waste my time on it. What a bunch of tossers.
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Wow, you're the first person I've found that even reads the driver signing warning, let alone respond to it sensibly.