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    super
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    I assume that the new Arizona Immigration law is effective from last week. I wanted to know if my Driving Licenece (WA state) is proof enough of my legal status or should I carry my passport too? ** I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation.

    cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

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      I assume that the new Arizona Immigration law is effective from last week. I wanted to know if my Driving Licenece (WA state) is proof enough of my legal status or should I carry my passport too? ** I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation.

      cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

      modified on Monday, May 3, 2010 9:28 AM

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      Prudence would suggest that if you have the passport you should carry it. Some states (Ca. notably) don't require birth certs or proof of citizenship to obtain a DL, and the ordinary cop can't reasonably be expected to know which do and which don't this early in the game. Emotions seem to be running high down there, so take the safe course.

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        I assume that the new Arizona Immigration law is effective from last week. I wanted to know if my Driving Licenece (WA state) is proof enough of my legal status or should I carry my passport too? ** I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation.

        cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

        modified on Monday, May 3, 2010 9:28 AM

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        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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        Tthe Arizona Immigration Law won't take effect until 90 days after the AZ Legislature 'closes' for the season (I forget what it's called.) So the law won't take effect until late July or early August. In any case, any valid State Drivers License or Identity card is sufficient. A US Passport is also definitely sufficient.

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          Prudence would suggest that if you have the passport you should carry it. Some states (Ca. notably) don't require birth certs or proof of citizenship to obtain a DL, and the ordinary cop can't reasonably be expected to know which do and which don't this early in the game. Emotions seem to be running high down there, so take the safe course.

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          From what I've seen (admittedly from the other side of the pond) the police are damned if they do, damned if they don't on this one.

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            Prudence would suggest that if you have the passport you should carry it. Some states (Ca. notably) don't require birth certs or proof of citizenship to obtain a DL, and the ordinary cop can't reasonably be expected to know which do and which don't this early in the game. Emotions seem to be running high down there, so take the safe course.

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            fjdiewornncalwe
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            I agree with Rob. If you have a passport keep it on you just in case. As my mom told me about 10 million times growing up... Better Safe Than Sorry!!! BTW... You know you're getting old when you start quoting your parents.

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              I assume that the new Arizona Immigration law is effective from last week. I wanted to know if my Driving Licenece (WA state) is proof enough of my legal status or should I carry my passport too? ** I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation.

              cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

              modified on Monday, May 3, 2010 9:28 AM

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              Maximilien
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              Me think you should drive AROUND arizona.

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              • S super

                I assume that the new Arizona Immigration law is effective from last week. I wanted to know if my Driving Licenece (WA state) is proof enough of my legal status or should I carry my passport too? ** I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation.

                cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

                modified on Monday, May 3, 2010 9:28 AM

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                Michel Godfroid
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                Better be safe than sorry, I think JSOP lives in the area...

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                • S super

                  I assume that the new Arizona Immigration law is effective from last week. I wanted to know if my Driving Licenece (WA state) is proof enough of my legal status or should I carry my passport too? ** I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation.

                  cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

                  modified on Monday, May 3, 2010 9:28 AM

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                  peterchen
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                  Well, how do you look like?

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                    Better be safe than sorry, I think JSOP lives in the area...

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                    Lost User
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                    Michel Godfroid wrote:

                    Better be safe than sorry, I think JSOP lives in the area...

                    Nope, he's in Texas, Roger Wright's in Bullhead City Arizona.

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                      From what I've seen (admittedly from the other side of the pond) the police are damned if they do, damned if they don't on this one.

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                      ragnaroknrol
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                      Never heard of a law where you can get sued because aren't allowed to use your discretion... Failure to check papers if the MIGHT be an illegal can get them fired?!

                      If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                        Better be safe than sorry, I think JSOP lives in the area...

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                        Nope, I'm not in AZ, but I have minions there..

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                        • S super

                          I assume that the new Arizona Immigration law is effective from last week. I wanted to know if my Driving Licenece (WA state) is proof enough of my legal status or should I carry my passport too? ** I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation.

                          cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

                          modified on Monday, May 3, 2010 9:28 AM

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                          Gregory Gadow
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                          A drivers license is proof of residency, NOT proof of citizenship. Best for you to carry a passport or, if you don't have one, a certified copy of your birth certificate. Even then, that might not be enough: if you can avoid the state entirely, that is probably for the best.

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                            Tthe Arizona Immigration Law won't take effect until 90 days after the AZ Legislature 'closes' for the season (I forget what it's called.) So the law won't take effect until late July or early August. In any case, any valid State Drivers License or Identity card is sufficient. A US Passport is also definitely sufficient.

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                            Gregory Gadow
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                            Actually, a drivers license is not enough: it provides proof of residency, not proof of citizenship. When this law goes into effect, people likely to be targeted by the law (ie, brown skinned Spanish speakers) will need to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times.

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                              Actually, a drivers license is not enough: it provides proof of residency, not proof of citizenship. When this law goes into effect, people likely to be targeted by the law (ie, brown skinned Spanish speakers) will need to carry proof of citizenship with them at all times.

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                              Stop spreading FUD. That's what the media want you to believe. Actually, read the law here[^]. It specifically states *any valid state license* is proof.

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                                A drivers license is proof of residency, NOT proof of citizenship. Best for you to carry a passport or, if you don't have one, a certified copy of your birth certificate. Even then, that might not be enough: if you can avoid the state entirely, that is probably for the best.

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                                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                Stop spreading FUD. That's what the media want you to believe. Actually, read the law here[^]. It specifically states *any valid state license* is proof.

                                Fight Big Government:
                                http://obamacareclassaction.com/
                                http://obamacaretruth.org/

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                                  Never heard of a law where you can get sued because aren't allowed to use your discretion... Failure to check papers if the MIGHT be an illegal can get them fired?!

                                  If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                                  It should get cleared up after a few rich white kids get deported somewhere before the sober up. Or at least that's what I'm rather hoping happens. It probably won't, it'll most likely just show Arizona that the illegals aren't the problem as all of the businesses which rely on them collapse. Now, the question is will they acknowledge that? And will this lead to any meaningful immigration reform that amounts to more than 'harass the Mexicans' or 'build a wall'.

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                                    I assume that the new Arizona Immigration law is effective from last week. I wanted to know if my Driving Licenece (WA state) is proof enough of my legal status or should I carry my passport too? ** I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation.

                                    cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

                                    modified on Monday, May 3, 2010 9:28 AM

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                                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                    super wrote:

                                    I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation

                                    Then what you need to carry is your passport with the visa stamp in it.

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                                      I assume that the new Arizona Immigration law is effective from last week. I wanted to know if my Driving Licenece (WA state) is proof enough of my legal status or should I carry my passport too? ** I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation.

                                      cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

                                      modified on Monday, May 3, 2010 9:28 AM

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                                      Gonzoox
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                                      Are you going to Arizona for vacation? if not, you don't need to worry about it And also for the ones saying you need to carry your US passport... you need to carry the documents that proofs you're a legal resident in the US or that you're a US citizen. Even though I'm mexican, living legally in the US, the final purpose of the law is not that crazy, the only thing is that will get out of control and won't be used properly, any one looking latin/hispanic will be stopped for questioning and now you will have to carry your documents all the time, like in the old days in communist countries or the nazi Germany, if you're blond, blue eyes, white skin they won't stop you, even if you're an illegal alien from Sweden, just because you're blond, but if you're brown, dark hair and speak spanish, even if you're a US citizen, they will harass you, that's simply not right, profiling people for their skin color or language is not right, I'm not worried, I don't look mexican, but as soon as you hear me speaking, my accent will tell you I'm not from the US. I remember a joke from George Lopez, "don't think we don't speak enlgish, we do!!!, but because we don't want to speak with you that's why we speak in spanish!!" that cracks me up all the time. Good luck and have fun

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                                        It should get cleared up after a few rich white kids get deported somewhere before the sober up. Or at least that's what I'm rather hoping happens. It probably won't, it'll most likely just show Arizona that the illegals aren't the problem as all of the businesses which rely on them collapse. Now, the question is will they acknowledge that? And will this lead to any meaningful immigration reform that amounts to more than 'harass the Mexicans' or 'build a wall'.

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                                        Distind wrote:

                                        And will this lead to any meaningful immigration reform that amounts to more than 'harass the Mexicans' or 'build a wall'.

                                        I guess it is the Mexicans' turn to be the one kicked around. Imagine if this legislation threatened to deport people to Africa/Ireland/Germany/Japan if they couldn't prove they were American... Sometimes I am pretty embarrassed by parts of my country.

                                        If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.

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                                          I assume that the new Arizona Immigration law is effective from last week. I wanted to know if my Driving Licenece (WA state) is proof enough of my legal status or should I carry my passport too? ** I am not a US citizen. I am Indian residing in Germany. I would be visiting USA for vacation.

                                          cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it

                                          modified on Monday, May 3, 2010 9:28 AM

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                                          PIEBALDconsult
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                                          I wouldn't worry about it -- it won't hold up anyway. However, I thought that when out of your own country you should always have your passport on you. A visa too, but the cops prefer cash.

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