Mainstream media downplays pro-illegal thug riots.
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Due process requires a legal arrest. Legal arrests require probable cause. Being brown is not probable cause.
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ragnaroknrol wrote:
Being brown is not probable cause.
That's just racial profiling, but wait isn't that illegal too. :laugh:
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Here is the law. For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person. Nowhere does it say that being "brown" is acceptable as probably cause. Notice how it only applies to any lawful contact with law enforcement.
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By the definition of that law, there is NO reasonable suspicion. Unless they speak something other than English. Which would be, you know, brown people. Lawful contact can be initiated at any time by law enforcement officers. "He was doing 51 in a 50 zone." "He was behaving suspicious." "He turned around and walked away when he saw me coming." "He was driving a vehicle well above what he should have." I was pulled over for 2 of those. My hispanic name meant I got to spend an hour next to my father's Porsche getting angrier and angrier at a cop fishing for some reason to tear apart the car looking for drugs. Don't even try to tell me cops won't abuse this.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Distind wrote:
our immigrant 'problem' is canadian
Oooh. Man, I feel for you. Talk about the worst kind. :)
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is. [Yogi Berra]
You guys are always coming to our country and stealing our Hockey Championships!
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Here is the law. For any lawful contact made by a law enforcement official or agency of this state or a county, city, town or other political subdivision of this state where reasonable suspicion exists that the person is an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States, a reasonable attempt shall be made, when practicable, to determine the immigration status of the person. Nowhere does it say that being "brown" is acceptable as probably cause. Notice how it only applies to any lawful contact with law enforcement.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
lawful contact
So what exactly does lawful contact mean than? I pulled out a law dictionary and can't find it anywhere. Piecing the two words together would mean any contact by law enforcement that wasn't prohibited by law. So when my friend, who was black, got stopped by the cops on the street after work on the way to his car, in a suit because they were supposedly looking for someone who fit his description. They would be allowed to ask for his papers. It will be ironic if at some point, if this law doesn't get struck down in court, that a Latino cop gets stopped by State PD or vice versus. It will certainly have a chilling effect on getting crimes being solved if witnesses won't come forward.
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By the definition of that law, there is NO reasonable suspicion. Unless they speak something other than English. Which would be, you know, brown people. Lawful contact can be initiated at any time by law enforcement officers. "He was doing 51 in a 50 zone." "He was behaving suspicious." "He turned around and walked away when he saw me coming." "He was driving a vehicle well above what he should have." I was pulled over for 2 of those. My hispanic name meant I got to spend an hour next to my father's Porsche getting angrier and angrier at a cop fishing for some reason to tear apart the car looking for drugs. Don't even try to tell me cops won't abuse this.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
Welcome to the police state. This is the type of shit I've been talking about. They have to obey the same laws we do here, and they need to get the hell out because they are here illegally, taking people's paychecks, and rioting! They are not citizens of America, they are citizens of Mexico, they don't give a fuck about rights, rights to them is access to welfare. When it comes to other people's rights, they beat the shit out of you and riot.
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By the definition of that law, there is NO reasonable suspicion. Unless they speak something other than English. Which would be, you know, brown people. Lawful contact can be initiated at any time by law enforcement officers. "He was doing 51 in a 50 zone." "He was behaving suspicious." "He turned around and walked away when he saw me coming." "He was driving a vehicle well above what he should have." I was pulled over for 2 of those. My hispanic name meant I got to spend an hour next to my father's Porsche getting angrier and angrier at a cop fishing for some reason to tear apart the car looking for drugs. Don't even try to tell me cops won't abuse this.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
I've lived across the street from a good cop and they have a tough enough time enforcing the existing laws. They don't need this to do their job. If anything it's going to make things worse. Arizona is going to find itself a host of fewer traveling business. They can certainly pass any crazy f***ed up law they want but the rest of the country as well as their fellow citizens will punish them for it also exercising their rights.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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Welcome to the police state. This is the type of shit I've been talking about. They have to obey the same laws we do here, and they need to get the hell out because they are here illegally, taking people's paychecks, and rioting! They are not citizens of America, they are citizens of Mexico, they don't give a fuck about rights, rights to them is access to welfare. When it comes to other people's rights, they beat the shit out of you and riot.
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Hi. You are against cops pulling people over and acting like dicks. But if they might be illegals, that is okay. Because they are taking our paychecks and rioting! Even though most of those protesters were Americans. In fact I'd hazard to say ALL of those protestors were Americans. You say they want welfare, even though applying gets them deported. But they are doing blatently illegal acts which would get them thrown in jail and then deported... But we should find all of them, round them up and throw them out. So should we do door to door searches for papers? That would work. And if someone can't prove they are a citizen, we should toss them. I'm sure that will go over well. So where are you at on this? You for the police state, against it, for immigration, against it? What, cause I am confused.
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Welcome to the police state. This is the type of shit I've been talking about. They have to obey the same laws we do here, and they need to get the hell out because they are here illegally, taking people's paychecks, and rioting! They are not citizens of America, they are citizens of Mexico, they don't give a fuck about rights, rights to them is access to welfare. When it comes to other people's rights, they beat the shit out of you and riot.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
taking people's paychecks
prove it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
they don't give a f*** about rights
prove it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
rights to them is access to welfare.
prove it.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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They are criminals, and after due process of law they will be treated like criminals. Thank God for Arizona.
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By the definition of that law, there is NO reasonable suspicion. Unless they speak something other than English. Which would be, you know, brown people. Lawful contact can be initiated at any time by law enforcement officers. "He was doing 51 in a 50 zone." "He was behaving suspicious." "He turned around and walked away when he saw me coming." "He was driving a vehicle well above what he should have." I was pulled over for 2 of those. My hispanic name meant I got to spend an hour next to my father's Porsche getting angrier and angrier at a cop fishing for some reason to tear apart the car looking for drugs. Don't even try to tell me cops won't abuse this.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Hi. You are against cops pulling people over and acting like dicks. But if they might be illegals, that is okay. Because they are taking our paychecks and rioting! Even though most of those protesters were Americans. In fact I'd hazard to say ALL of those protestors were Americans. You say they want welfare, even though applying gets them deported. But they are doing blatently illegal acts which would get them thrown in jail and then deported... But we should find all of them, round them up and throw them out. So should we do door to door searches for papers? That would work. And if someone can't prove they are a citizen, we should toss them. I'm sure that will go over well. So where are you at on this? You for the police state, against it, for immigration, against it? What, cause I am confused.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
ragnaroknrol wrote:
You are against cops pulling people over and acting like dicks. But if they might be illegals, that is okay.
They do it to citizens but not to the illegals. That is discrimination.
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Link[^] Imagine the uproar if 200 Tea Party members had gone on a rampage through a downtown city, smashing windows, starting fires, and spraying graffiti everywhere, the corporate media would be all over it, and yet gangs of pro-illegal immigration demonstrators do this and much worse on a regular basis, with no national news coverage whatsoever. An Associated Press report states that eighteen businesses were damaged as pro-immigrants rights activists engaged in violent riots, spraying graffiti, smashing windows, setting fire to shop fronts, and causing damage to a cost of up to $100,000 dollars. The riot followed the announcement that pro-amnesty demonstrators would march across the country on May 1st, which is also a date on which socialists rally worldwide to celebrate Communism, euphemistically labeled “International Workers Day” by the media. These people are being used as a political weapon. They allow them to come up here by the millions, they have ancor babies so that they can stay here and get free healthcare, foodstamps, electricity, and housing all payed for by tax paying citizens. This gets them dependant on the government, so they will support the government (particularly the democrats). They also bring in most of the drugs from mexico. That is why these criminals are allowed to riot, if a tea party turned into a riot SWAT teams would be on them like you wouldn't believe, and it would be on the news 24x7. The news would be going on and on about radical militias and homegrown terrorism, and they would show pictures of misspelled signs of their infiltrators and provocateurs.
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You're an idiot, you have no clue of what you're talking about. You contradicted yourself several times in this thread... just go back to your basement and stay there :laugh:
I want to die like my grandfather- asleep, not like the passengers in his car, screaming!
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CHARGE!! In the direction of someone who hasn't blown your argument to bits on the crux of human decency, legal reality and basic logic.
You care more about the illegals than you do citizens. You think they have "rights" such as free medical, food, housing, and utilities. Real rights are those outlined in the Bill of Rights, and you don't givea shit about the Bill of Rights. You support the police state, you support tyranny. You going to get tyranny.
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You care more about the illegals than you do citizens. You think they have "rights" such as free medical, food, housing, and utilities. Real rights are those outlined in the Bill of Rights, and you don't givea shit about the Bill of Rights. You support the police state, you support tyranny. You going to get tyranny.
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What does an illegal look like?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
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What does an illegal look like?
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
This has nothing to do with the law, or the fact that Mexican citizens are here rioting, destroying property, businesses, and committing acts of violence against Americans and they have to be deported.
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CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
taking people's paychecks
prove it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
they don't give a f*** about rights
prove it.
CaptainSeeSharp wrote:
rights to them is access to welfare.
prove it.
That's called seagull management (or sometimes pigeon management)... Fly in, flap your arms and squawk a lot, crap all over everything and fly out again... by _Damian S_
Just try to get a labor/construction job and you will be laughed out of the office if you're white
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This has nothing to do with the law, or the fact that Mexican citizens are here rioting, destroying property, businesses, and committing acts of violence against Americans and they have to be deported.
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Actually it does, as the issue is identifying the illegals. You can't just walk into the state and yell all Mexicans out of the pool. If you're going to enforce this you have to find them, and what this law boils down to is legal harassment of anyone who could be suspected of being an illegal, which amounts to pretty much anyone in this damn country, but in that area it's particularly common for a Hispanic person to be an illegal. Which if you eliminate the specification bits boils down to: Legal Harassment of Hispanic People.
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Just try to get a labor/construction job and you will be laughed out of the office if you're white
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Actually it does, as the issue is identifying the illegals. You can't just walk into the state and yell all Mexicans out of the pool. If you're going to enforce this you have to find them, and what this law boils down to is legal harassment of anyone who could be suspected of being an illegal, which amounts to pretty much anyone in this damn country, but in that area it's particularly common for a Hispanic person to be an illegal. Which if you eliminate the specification bits boils down to: Legal Harassment of Hispanic People.
Everyone is profiled in this high tech surveillance police state, which you are in support of.
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Americans Love immigrants. What we don't like is FREELOADERS who want to come to our country ILLEGALLY and take advantage of all our resources while hardworking Americans get stuck paying for them to be here.
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